My congrats to Bush, he's halfway to a self inflicted 9/11

Crovax

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Since SamuraiShodownSensei is no longer online:

U.S. Troops' Death Rate Rising in Iraq

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 9, 2004; Page A01

With the latest spike in violence in Baghdad, more U.S. troops have died since the turnover of power to an interim Iraqi government at the end of June than were killed during the U.S.-led invasion of the country in the spring of 2003.

A total of 148 U.S. military personnel have been killed since the partial transfer of sovereignty on June 28, compared with 138 who died in March and April of 2003, Pentagon figures show.

That trend is a grim indication that, 18 months after the invasion, the fighting appears to be intensifying rather than waning. While attention has been focused largely on standoffs in Najaf and other well-publicized hotspots, an analysis of the figures shows the U.S. military has taken more casualties elsewhere, including the deaths of about 44 troops in the western province of Anbar and 10 others in the city of Samarra.

The wide geographic dispersion of the violence reflects the strength of a resurgent opposition and also frames the challenge U.S. commanders face in the coming months as the United States seeks to hold an election to establish a new Iraqi government, said military officers and defense analysts.

"The 'peace' has been bloodier than the war," said Capt. Russell Burgos, an Army reservist who recently returned from a tour of duty with an aviation regiment in Balad, Iraq. In his view, the U.S. experience in Iraq is coming to resemble Israel's painful 18-year occupation of parts of southern Lebanon.

Before the war, predictions by even the most skeptical Bush administration critics did not include scenarios of escalating violence this long after the invasion, or of the U.S. military issuing a news release such as the one it sent out Tuesday morning, headlined "Fighting Continues in Eastern Baghdad." In addition, several cities near Baghdad have slipped from U.S. control in recent months and have become "no-go zones" for U.S. troops.

"No one that I know of, to include the most pessimistic experts, predicted a full-scale insurgency would break out within a couple of months of the overthrow of the old regime," said Steven Metz, a guerrilla warfare expert at the Army War College.

Now, Metz said, "the current situation may be sustained for a very long time."

On Tuesday, as the U.S. military crossed the symbolic 1,000-death mark in Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld delivered a similarly somber assessment. "It's a tough, difficult business," he said at a Pentagon news conference, predicting more violence in coming months. But he also expressed confidence in the outcome, saying that "the offense [is] being effectively waged."

The recent surge in violence has been especially surprising because in the weeks after the transfer of power there was a phase that, for Iraq, felt to some almost like a lull.

"July was significantly slower" than the violence of the spring, said Maj. Richard Gullick, an Army neurosurgeon in Baghdad. Then August roared back with 65 deaths and more than 1,000 U.S. troops wounded. The pace has worsened this month, with 25 fatalities so far.

The nature of the fighting also has changed. In July, most of the combat losses with identifiable causes were inflicted by planted explosives -- roadside bombs and land mines. But in August, deaths by gunfire and by suicide bombings also became a major cause, indicating that there were more direct confrontations with enemy fighters. "On a gut level, I'd probably agree that IEDs have played less of a role lately with respect to U.S. casualties," Gullick said, referring to improvised explosive devices, or bombs planted along roads.

More than a third of U.S. military deaths last month were in Anbar province, in Iraq's western desert, where the Marine Corps is posted. Underscoring the intensity of the engagements there, the Marines lost more people last month -- 32 -- than the Army did, only the second time that has occurred since the spring 2003 invasion. The nature of the Marine deaths is harder to analyze because the Marines generally do not release information about the specific causes.

Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Tuesday summarized the fighting by noting that there has been a "spike in the casualties" not only of U.S. and Iraqi government forces but also of the insurgents, even as their opposition becomes more sophisticated. "The more aggressive the tactics of the insurgency, the greater their loss of human life," he said. Rumsfeld elaborated on that point, estimating that as many as 2,500 insurgents and criminals were killed in August.

Rumsfeld also said this week that casualties among Iraqi security forces allied with the United States are even heavier than the United States has suffered. "They've lost more Iraqi security people, killed or wounded, in the last two months than the coalition has lost people," Rumsfeld said in an interview with WDAY-AM radio in Fargo, N.D., according to a transcript released by the Pentagon.

Military experts said the latest round of combat is a sign that the U.S. military is engaged in what promises to be a protracted war. But they drew sharply different conclusions about what it means.

"Sadly, the 1,000th military death is but a bookmark on a longer and more painful road," said retired Army Lt. Col. Carlo D'Este, a historian specializing in World War II. As in the Vietnam War, he said, "there is no visible light at the end of the tunnel, nor has the Bush administration articulated a viable exit strategy, without which the war will continue indefinitely -- that is, years."

But retired Army Brig. Gen. David Grange drew a different conclusion. "We are fighting a counter-insurgency," he said, in which there is "no short-term fix." So, he said, the key to victory will be "maintaining the will of the American people."

Spec. Joseph Roche, a 1st Armored Division soldier who recently returned from more than a year in Baghdad, said that the U.S. military's morale in Iraq is high and that troops are performing well. His main worry is whether the American people will stick by the mission as they see more casualties. "My concern, honestly, is the impact this is having on the American people and our ability to be strong in this war."

Researchers Madonna Lebling and Rob Thomason contributed to this report.
 

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OMFG!!! You mean there are spikes and troughs in resistence during war??!?

This is incredible news.



P.S. On a similarly interesting note, I took a dump about an hour and a half ago, and it left skid marks on the bowl. Teflon toilet cleaner my ass .... :mad:
 

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It's all good.

marg bar arab poost. Let Allah sort em out.
 

Buro Destruct

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Get ready to replace Najaf with Washington D.C. after Bush and Cheney ruin the election (and subsequently, the country) after November 2nd.
 

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Let's go Tro-jans! [clap! Clap! Clap-clap-clap!]
Let's go Tro-jans! [clap! Clap! Clap-clap-clap!]




... Whoops, wrong thread.
:eye: :eye:


[oh, and I just witnessed the upset of the year on ESPN 2: the Troy State Trojans (of the Sun Belt) just upset #17 Mizzou 24-14... holy cow, parity is endemic!]
 

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If you must vote against Bush Vote for Nader

Kerry is a souless zombie who doesn't care about anybody but himself and his lies about Nam
 

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galfordo said:
OMFG!!! You mean there are spikes and troughs in resistence during war??!?

This is incredible news.

Did you forget "Mission Accomplished?"
 

Igniz v2

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Thereverend said:
If you must vote against Bush Vote for Nader

Kerry is a souless zombie who doesn't care about anybody but himself and his lies about Nam

i don't give a shit about the US election

but it must be said

you're a fag, shut up.
 

galfordo

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bokmeow said:
Did you forget "Mission Accomplished?"

Yes. I also forgot "Wars don't always go as planned" - that's another startling revelation.
 
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Thereverend said:
Fucking Liberal Propaganda

Articles that state facts and examine them = liberal propoganda

THis is because neoconservatism is founded on sticking your fingers in your ears and humming real loudly.
 

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Thereverend said:
If you must vote against Bush Vote for Nader

Kerry is a souless zombie who doesn't care about anybody but himself and his lies about Nam

And bush is a retard who had his dad buy him a get-out of nam-free card. Who is going to continue killing armed service men and women because he has no fucking clue what to do next.

So vote for bush, feel solace in the fact that you will send many more young men and women to their death for a cause that has lost all meaning if it had any to begin with.
 
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Thereverend said:
Fucking Liberal Propaganda

You've proven yourself to be such an intelligent poster already, I'm sure your views on politics reflect that.
 

bokmeow

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galfordo said:
Yes. I also forgot "We don't carefully plan out our wars" - that's another startling revelation.

Scandalous! Shocking! Why, we are liberators! Were we not going to be greeted with flowers and sweets, and massive car bombs?
 

Buro Destruct

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galfordo said:
Yes. I also forgot "Wars don't always go as planned" - that's another startling revelation.
Don't forget "accidents happen".



Ask your parents about that one.
 

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Thereverend said:
Kerry is a souless zombie who doesn't care about anybody but himself and his lies about Nam
Holy fuck you are a retard!

...wait everyone knew that already. Please leave Neo-Geo.com :glee:
 

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Buro Destruct said:
Don't forget "accidents happen".



Ask your parents about that one.


o man, that one's a classic.
 

Thereverend

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SnairDogg said:
Holy fuck you are a retard!

...wait everyone knew that already. Please leave Neo-Geo.com :glee:

Go crawl in a hole and die all of you

You're all stupid uninformed zombies of Liberal media
 

genjiglove

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Thereverend said:
Go crawl in a hole and die all of you

You're all stupid uninformed zombies of Liberal media

Yeah, you are the smart one here obviously.
 
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Thereverend said:
Go crawl in a hole and die all of you

You're all stupid uninformed zombies of Liberal media

Yeah, the great left wing conspiracy is using it's evil "logic" and "facts" to fool us all.
 
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