How the world views the candidates

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3640754.stm

Kerry-Bush

Norway: 74%-7%
Germany: 74%-10%
France: 64%-5%
Italy: 58%-14%
Spain: 45%-7%
UK: 47%-16%
Canada: 61%-16%
Mexico: 38%-18%
Brazil: 57%-14%
China: 52%-12%
Japan: 43%-32%
Indonesia: 57%-34%
India: 34%-33%
Philippines: 32%-57%
Nigeria: 33%-27%
Poland: 26%-31%
Thailand: 30%-33%

Not really a surprise, but it's notable that Kerry would have a much easier time working with other countries than Bush in the war Against Terror since the populations of other countries have respect for him. Bush went too far in making enemies while preparing for his little war in Iraq.
 
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"The world" looks out for their own interests, just like we should. Kerry will give them a bigger say in what direction our country takes, thus it's in their best interest to root for him.




P.S. Where you been, jethrek?
 

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As for this country though, I predict that we're absolutely doomed. Last I heard Bush had 52%. Ignorance is the majority here, and this time Bush will most likely win fair and square. God, I fucking hate people so much. I wonder if there's still a stitch of hope left for humanity.

If Bush wins, I'll knock on every single person's door that voted for him, and slap them in the face.
 

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Interesting, but what's up with the percentages that don't add up to 100%?

Mexico: 38%-18%
Nigeria: 33%-27%
Poland: 26%-31%
Thailand: 30%-33%

Looks like Nader would win if these 4 nations voted for the President of the United States.
 
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There is no reason the world's interests and ours should be so far at odds. In the past, the world has, by polls, had a more favorable view of us (this is statistically true, whether or not it's counter to the common propoganda that they've always hated us, but no one should ever have bought into such a farcical notion anyway).

We need to fight terror in the world, correct? We cannot do that if the world is not willing to back us on it. We've already seen how well a unilateral force can do in Iraq, what happens if another nation needs to be fought? Few nations will support us under a future Bush administration.

The "52%" polls are questionable. The first poll after a national convention is known to someimtes show a spike that evaporates after another week of polling. That said, Bush may very well be ahead in this weekend's polls. But hey, it's about time the Democrats got their rears kicked. THey're not even bothering to tell the people all the shit Bush's been involved with and done for this country, and now they'll have to. Bush hasn't spared them any low blows, how dare they spare him.
 
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bokmeow said:
Interesting, but what's up with the percentages that don't add up to 100%?



Looks like Nader would win if these 4 nations voted for the President of the United States.

It just means people who replies "I don't know or I don't care to reply".
 

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galfordo said:
"The world" looks out for their own interests, just like we should. Kerry will give them a bigger say in what direction our country takes, thus it's in their best interest to root for him.

That's not the only reason. Many ppl outside the US rate Bush as a conglomerate president, brought into office by the economical power and political influence of his family, their business relations and the same ol' propaganda machinery. He obviously thinks that he could defend democracy and get a safer world by building prisons and refusing basic human rights to all ppl who don't fit into his view of the world, but this simply does not work. More than 1000 killed US soldiers and civilians and several tens of thousands of killed Iraqis should tell you that, and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

If Kerry turns out to be a little more open-minded towards the fact that the US is not the only nation on earth, more power to him I'd say.
 

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I'm surprised the Philippines is pro-Bush.
All the people I know there are strictly anti-Bush (don't care for Kerry though).
Not to mention the whole hostage-taking shit.
 

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Politics aren't really my thing, so it may not surprise you to hear that I don't claim to know who'd be the "best for our country," or which man would make the "most effective leader," but I do understand enough to know that you dickheads frequently overlook one important fact: Bush is funny like a monkey and Kerry looks like Frankenstein. If this were Castlevania Kerry would be Frankenstein and Bush would be Igor, and together they would battle the forces of good.


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I'm surprised the Philippines is pro-Bush.

I blame the razor shortage.
 

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dragonwillow said:
I'm surprised the Philippines is pro-Bush.
All the people I know there are strictly anti-Bush (don't care for Kerry though).
Not to mention the whole hostage-taking shit.

This was the lease suprising figure on the board to me. The Phillipines have been plagued by terrorism, and have an unusually tough stance against terrorism over recent years. They simply think that Bush would be the candidate who's tougher on terrorism, a huge problem of their concern.
 

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galfordo said:
This was the lease suprising figure on the board to me. The Phillipines have been plagued by terrorism, and have an unusually tough stance against terrorism over recent years. They simply think that Bush would be the candidate who's tougher on terrorism, a huge problem of their concern.

just a few months ago they were actually on a "US should mind their own business" stance as far as the US meddling with how the Phillipines was handling their own terrorist problems.
 

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Its basically "Anybody but Bush" syndrome. I'm not saying John Kerry DOESN'T deserve to win the election, but if he does, its only because Bush fucked up too fast. You really need to start mucking things up during your second 4 years, Clinton style.



P.S.- Clinton rox.
 

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Remind me again why I should give a fuck what people who have no say in our government and would only care for the benefit of themselves have to say about who rules our nation?

Seriously, this is about as interesting and applicable as what Jeanne Dixon says the stars say about who is going to win.
 

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Saddam Hussein said:
Remind me again why I should give a fuck what people who have no say in our somgovernment and would only care for the benefit of themselves have to say about who rules our nation?

It's only fair.

Don't forget the missing WMD.
 
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bokmeow said:
Saddam Hussein said:
Remind me again why I should give a fuck what people who have no say in our somgovernment and would only care for the benefit of themselves have to say about who rules our nation?

It's only fair.

Don't forget the missing WMD.

hahahahaha


:buttrock:
 

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Thereverend said:
More Liberal propaganda ignore it

You seem to have forgotten punctuation. I'm assuming that your comment is something like:

More liberal! Propaganda? Ignore it.

If this is the case, then I couldn't agree more. Vote liberal, but ignore the propaganda.
 

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Just to to bring some highlight in france (where i live), Bush was even at the verry beginning disliked because of his position about abortion and death penalty. For the later one specifically because before the election he refused the amnesty to several condemned people (among which some were not so clearly guilty) and let them die.

That is what medias reported and i am of course not aware of what really happened.

right to abortion and no death penalty is the french way so that was a bad start for him to be loved here. (and now he is depicted as a stupid beeing)

France loved Clinton, but Bush ... meh :/
 

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bokmeow said:
It's only fair.

Don't forget the missing WMD.


It's a sad day for the world when people defend Saddam Hussein.

Anyways, as I've said before. I don't support bush, but getting Iraq out of Saddam's grasp *Was* a good thing for the world. I'm not at all in the least bit happy about the way the war was painted and sold to us, but really.. he was a scumbag and needed to be ousted.

Unfortunately, you have the greedy oligarchs who rule the Middle East too concerned with counting their American-made dollars than doing anything to better their people's welfare to do anything about it. No, they'd rather take our money for their oil, fuck their people, then blame the American Infidels for the conditions, not the fact that a fraction of that money is invested back into a lot of these countries' economies.

Unfortunately, you get garbage like this as a by-product of the Bush-backlash. I don't want him back in office, but when the left starts pulling stuff like this out of their ass, it just smacks of desperation. Why isn't Kerry fighting with better weapons? Fuck, I could come up with about 6 or 7 cogent arguments for Bush's ouster.. not "The French want Bush out... so should you!" (I know, Kerry has nothing to do with these statistics It's just an example.)

The left is desperate and above all, unable to logically argue just about anything. This *is* worthless propaganda. How come nobody on the left has the balls to say that the right in this country has done nothing to improve the economy? There's enough *hard evidence* there...
 

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VanillaThunder said:
It's a sad day for the world when people defend Saddam Hussein.

Anyways, as I've said before. I don't support bush, but getting Iraq out of Saddam's grasp *Was* a good thing for the world. I'm not at all in the least bit happy about the way the war was painted and sold to us, but really.. he was a scumbag and needed to be ousted.

Unfortunately, you have the greedy oligarchs who rule the Middle East too concerned with counting their American-made dollars than doing anything to better their people's welfare to do anything about it. No, they'd rather take our money for their oil, fuck their people, then blame the American Infidels for the conditions, not the fact that a fraction of that money is invested back into a lot of these countries' economies.

Unfortunately, you get garbage like this as a by-product of the Bush-backlash. I don't want him back in office, but when the left starts pulling stuff like this out of their ass, it just smacks of desperation. Why isn't Kerry fighting with better weapons? Fuck, I could come up with about 6 or 7 cogent arguments for Bush's ouster.. not "The French want Bush out... so should you!" (I know, Kerry has nothing to do with these statistics It's just an example.)

The left is desperate and above all, unable to logically argue just about anything. This *is* worthless propaganda. How come nobody on the left has the balls to say that the right in this country has done nothing to improve the economy? There's enough *hard evidence* there...


but you're wrong, its not the left that's coming up with this. It is the BBC--whose target audience isn't American at all. They are just another country among those represented in the poll. I think it seems pretty logical that such a third party might want to run a story like this, to show what other third parties think about the US's upcoming election. Now, if it were USAtoday running the piece, I could understand where you're coming from--but its not, nor is any other US-based publication. The left has nothing to do with this.
 

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"THE LEFT" has everything to do with it indeed because it's not just about liberals within the democratic structure it's about a mindset that is etched in "More rights for the criminals"... "No common sense"... and "Let the government do more for you, so you don't have to do for yourself." bullshit that has for too long plagued the USA in general. ---Now we've got almost TWO generations of people who make excuses at their own local levels for this and that, and the said/respective target voter is pushed futher into asking what their country can do for them, not what they can do for their country. The public school system is a joke, textbook companies run rampant with errors in it they refuse to correct, and the collective attitude has become one of: Hey man fuck that, as long it's not in my backyard I'm cool and the gang. Fuck yeah I want so and so in office. He's going to give me more and get those EVIL guns off the streets so my kids can be safe.

:rolleyes:

... NIGGA' PLEASE

it's no fuckin' secret that Kerry is a supporter of the socialistic nonsense that ultimately manifests the very Communism we fought against, back when people actually had enemies to fight and were not concerned with "Political Correctness" on everything from saying hello to someone to how they MIGHT be taken in a seat of political office. When WWII broke out people did what needed to be done, today we're afraid to fart let alone declare WAR and actually win one. What keeps the attriton rate of American soliders dying isn't GWB, "Conservatism" or any of that... it's the liberalistic horeshit and slanted media coverage where everyone is afraid to do their fuckin' job. It's why we lost NAM and it's why people are dying over there now. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WIN WITHOUT FEAR OF OUR OWN SIDE. The shit that goes on is knee deep in liberalistic SHIT indeed, and all of it is far leftist askewed bullshit. Does GWB do it all right? Certainly not, but he's a far better pick than some Mr. Ed looking "fought for his country then protested the war" scum bag fuck that Kerry is. This is the dude who wants to assist in banning more firearms {anti 2nd Amendment which more or less assures that all others mean shit}, and has openly admitted to wanting to subordinate the military to the UN... uhh what comes next??? People need to open their fuckin' eyes and see the shit that leftist neo communism is setting up indeed.

The Right is about $MONEY and being Rich, no argument there... but anyone can still rise up from the ranks and be as successful as they fought to be. The way the liberals would have it a person should be hired because of "affirmitive action" {i.e. a quota for skin color and no longer what it was set up to be}, make the populace more complacent and wanting more... no need to THINK or do anything for themselves, and continue in the march to a ONE WORLD Order. Of course a liberal {not all} doesn't need a gun to kill someone, let B.B. kill those who want to hold onto them instead, weaken the pulse of boys to be faggot girly men instead of men, let women run every damn thing and further the femminzation process of double standards. It's not about DEMOCRATS Vs. REPUBLICANS, it's about wheter someone is willing to stand for something and work or go with the flow and be a tool for Neo Communism in the guise of liberalism which is horeshit, meaning the two ideolgies are at war constantly no matter the nation.

Dammit why can't people see that while Faaaaaar off on a lot of things in his book 1984, Orwell did get a lot right. In the book within a book of Emanuel Goldstein he more or less broke down how WORDS from the vocabulary would simply lose their original meanings or would dissapear all together {and the shit happens all the time, a word in normal speak means something entirely different at a judicial or political level, or nothing at all}... he talked about how a person from one generation wouldn't be able to carry on one with future generations because something as simply as words would be changed/destroyed. It's not just him but others who warned, people who still warn... but his OCEANIA ideology of INGSOC is closer and closer to reality all the time, and the two ideologies of Liberalism and Conservatism are constantly at war, each side raising children who more or less follow whatever example was put before them. If a child is afraid of guns in one house, a child knows proper gun safety in another. If one kid has work ethics and wants to learn/think for him or herself, the other is fine living on WIC and in generational poverty because "let someone else work for me" is what they learned. Thus you have a see-saw of controlled hatred towards the other, but if it were the middle east we'd be blowing eachother up and shooting eachother openly... at least the people in the mid east don't hide their true feelings. From the liberal stance the conservative kid who grew up hunting is a relic and BB knows best... from the conservative kid's POV, the liberal kid is a faggoty punk bitch who can't understand that without the means to resist it wouldn't be long until absolute rule became the order of the day once the entire structure of Liberalism became corrupted in total and the flag raised in lieu of 50 stars would be a hammer & sickle.

...this whole thing makes me sick, as well as the leftist fuckards who continue to not see the non-common sense "let someone else handle" it mindset that they spew. GOD FORBID a person have to do anything. If it wasn't GWB it be someone else in office who was "Active" in their persona, but the other side would still be trying to convince little Johnny that his father or mother who actually might be a THINKER, just accept that hand out, thus it's the equivalent of a fuckin' turn coat whistle blower. FUCK THIS LIBERALISTIC PROPAGANDA and who gives a fuck what some bloke in another nation who cannot participate in voting in the USA thinks anyhow.

MERC X99 :confused:
 
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Stinky-Dinkins said:
Don't be offended when I tell you that the preceding phrase was all the only part of your post that I actually read.

I agree with it though.

Of course you didn't read it, just how like people never read the books and study the things that will actually OPEN THEIR FUCKIN' EYES. The problem is everybody wants to be jacked into their own "Matrixes" and not see the shit they're swimming in. I'm sure you'll have fun fuckin' something in the ass or whiping your ass with something {namely my post} as usual Dinkins.

MERC X99
 

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Mercenary X99 said:
The problem is everybody wants to be jacked into their own "Matrixes" and not see the shit they're swimming in.

I think you're jacked into the crack matrix, and quite frankly I think it's affecting your ability to reason.
 

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Merc...i'm getting the feeling that seeing certain key words or phrases in a post are all that it takes for you to go full auto in your effort to type out a reply. I didn't even bother to read that monster of a post you made as a result because after the first paragraph, it just seemed like the content was the same ranting arguments you've always posted. In other words, I've read it all before.

In any case, before you missed the whole point of my initial post, I was rebutting Vanilla Thunder's comments that the article reflected desperation on the part of the Kerry campaign and the liberal community at large. It didn't originate in the US, nor was intended of a primarily American audience, so it's not a part of partisan domestic politics, nothing more, nothing less.

I seriously think you should see someone for paranoia. I can't believe that you honestly think that the poll results have something to do with some vast left-wing global conspiracy. From my perspective, most of the respondents probably were primarily concerned about the impact of American foreign policy decisions on their own lives. going into iraq hurt a lot of people internationally, and the current environment there has made a LOT of people feel that GWB has made the world less secure. somehow that just seems more likely than there existing a large coalition of countries who have an agenda to get a socialist candidate in the office of US president.
 
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