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Oh shit, Apple did it again...
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Verythrax
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slerch666 said:
It's not THAT simple. The G5 heats much more than the G4 - take a look at the G5 powermac cab. I was expecting something bigger than the last iMac, cause the new architecture... but they managed to put it in a 2x18 inches space!
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Verythrax said:
Simply awesome! I'd buy one but then I wouldn't be able to just ON-THE-FLY use any of my droogs computer systems if I need to, since most everyone I know has PC. I've always loved APPLE's designs for their C.P. look, and MACS are the best for doing digital video movie editing over even PC... but at the end of the day it's just not condusive to my needs which sucks.
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"That’s a 1.6 or 1.8GHz G5 processor, 533 or 600MHz frontside bus, 256MB DDR SDRAM running at 400MHz and NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB graphics memory. So you’ll be able to play World of Warcraft, Doom III and other fantastic entertainment."
Is this um... fast in Apple Mac terms? B/C we all know in the PC world, this was fast like 4 years ago. Unless of course clockcycle for clockcycle MACs are faster than PC's anyway?
In any event, yea that's some sweet engineering. It looks like a huge Ipod with a scween. It'll have its audience for sure.
But I'll still choose to build and have my home-built PC's over anything else available.
Is this um... fast in Apple Mac terms? B/C we all know in the PC world, this was fast like 4 years ago. Unless of course clockcycle for clockcycle MACs are faster than PC's anyway?
In any event, yea that's some sweet engineering. It looks like a huge Ipod with a scween. It'll have its audience for sure.
But I'll still choose to build and have my home-built PC's over anything else available.
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Electroman said:
It is alot faster than a p4 with the same clock speed. A G5 (or a G4 for that matter I think) processes more per clock cycle than a P4 does so it can do the same amount of work in fewer cycles. Basically the P4 is processing little pieces really fast while the G5 is processing larger pieces at a slower rate f that makes sense. Clock speed is not a reliable way to compare processors unless they are of the same architecture...
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In all terms, yes.Electroman said:
And this is more or less the reason.Electroman said:
The arguement is a few years old too. The Mac is based on a PowerPC RISC processor which requires fewer instructions than the CISC based Intel/AMD processors. Less work for the same result. Hence less processor power required to do the same deed.
But speed means little unless you're into video editing or getting uselessly high framerates in Doom. Any of you freaks I see here at NG.com all the time basically just surf the web, so do it in style on a Mac. My Mac never crashes and my Dell at work is a huge pile of dung. And it's relatively new.
Innovative design? They copied Gateway of all companies. This is not a new idea design wise.
Gateway Profile 4, which came out in 2002.
In fact it's not even all that impressive technically because they crippled the G5 in there. The FSB on there is lower than it was on the G5, meaning that it's slower than the 1.6Ghz G5 tower they released last year, which was a joke performance wise when it was released.
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Rediculously high framerates in Doom? That thing wouldn't even pull over 30FPS in Doom 3 at 800x600 at ultra low quality. The fact that they even mention gaming on a 64Mb GeForce 5200 is laughable at best. That card won't even play Warcraft 3 well at the LCD's native resolution.
The 1.6 was a laughable performer when it was released as a PowerMac last year, it looses even in video encoding tests to a 3.0Ghz P4 system which could be had for less than the price of the cheapest new iMac, and that's including a 17" LCD.
As for Macs not crashing, I had an iBook that was in for repair for months at a time, they had so many documented issues that Apple had to give in and give owners free replacements on the mobos that were going bad.
And my homebrew PC that plays Doom 3 extremely well doesn't crash, neither does the Dell laptop I'm now using.
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JHendrix said:
Innovative design? They copied Gateway of all companies. This is not a new idea design wise.
Gateway Profile 4, which came out in 2002.
In fact it's not even all that impressive technically because they crippled the G5 in there. The FSB on there is lower than it was on the G5, meaning that it's slower than the 1.6Ghz G5 tower they released last year, which was a joke performance wise when it was released.
Rediculously high framerates in Doom? That thing wouldn't even pull over 30FPS in Doom 3 at 800x600 at ultra low quality. The fact that they even mention gaming on a 64Mb GeForce 5200 is laughable at best. That card won't even play Warcraft 3 well at the LCD's native resolution.
The 1.6 was a laughable performer when it was released as a PowerMac last year, it looses even in video encoding tests to a 3.0Ghz P4 system which could be had for less than the price of the cheapest new iMac, and that's including a 17" LCD.
As for Macs not crashing, I had an iBook that was in for repair for months at a time, they had so many documented issues that Apple had to give in and give owners free replacements on the mobos that were going bad.
And my homebrew PC that plays Doom 3 extremely well doesn't crash, neither does the Dell laptop I'm now using.
Preach on Brother. Apple is highly overrated when it comes to their systems. Do I think they are nice, yes, do I think they are worth the price, not on your life. You coul dbuy a PC with all the trimmings and then some and still have money left in your pocket to buy other items. Apple can charge these prices because they have the alliance from die-hard Apple owners to buy them.
Granted, I think the Ipod is a neat device, but highly overpriced for what it is. 3 years ago I could justify the price, not now though.
I guess to each their own.
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I've been waiting for the new iMac, and it's met my expectations - I'll be buying one in the coming months. I've been a Mac person forever and wouldn't dream of using a PC at home.
It's not that I find anything horrible about PCs per se - I use them in my office - but for those of us who, while comfortable with computers, don't know the absolute ins and outs of clock speeds, specific hardware, etc, they're just a much more pleasant experience. I'm sure that if I were a hardcore computer techie, I'd be using high-end PCs I built myself.
You can analyze the specific components of any given Mac and come up with the conclusion that they're overpriced, but you could do the same thing for a BMW - either way you pay for luxury, a smooth ride, and ease of use.
It's not that I find anything horrible about PCs per se - I use them in my office - but for those of us who, while comfortable with computers, don't know the absolute ins and outs of clock speeds, specific hardware, etc, they're just a much more pleasant experience. I'm sure that if I were a hardcore computer techie, I'd be using high-end PCs I built myself.
You can analyze the specific components of any given Mac and come up with the conclusion that they're overpriced, but you could do the same thing for a BMW - either way you pay for luxury, a smooth ride, and ease of use.
gmw said:
It's not about being a techie. The cheaper and much faster PC I was talking about is available from Dell, not some homebrew. If I were to configure a homebrew system the price would be even lower.
If you are going to go for it please take my advice as a former Mac owner (twice over). BUY THE WARRANTY! Buy it and keep it close to you. Given what they're doing with it, I'd expect problems especially with the first generation. Also, buy more RAM make sure you have at least 512Mb of RAM if you want OSX to run smoothly.
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You guys are missing the point entirely.
Yes, the G5 is clock-for-clock faster than a P4.
Yes, the latest-greatest PCs are faster than the new iMac.
The thing you are missing is that you can't compare a cutting-edge PC to an iMac. The iMac by design is a simple, limited platform that will perform the computing tasks most people need in a clean and small form factor.
If you want to compare a cutting edge PC with a new Mac, check out the current G5 towers. They are insanely fast.
As for reliability, Apple cleaned up the PC Magazine reliability survey this year for desktop and notebooks. No one ever said any computer platform was defect free but that large survey would indicate that they are several steps ahead of the pack.
B (Apple PowerBook and Athlon 64 desktop here)
Yes, the G5 is clock-for-clock faster than a P4.
Yes, the latest-greatest PCs are faster than the new iMac.
The thing you are missing is that you can't compare a cutting-edge PC to an iMac. The iMac by design is a simple, limited platform that will perform the computing tasks most people need in a clean and small form factor.
If you want to compare a cutting edge PC with a new Mac, check out the current G5 towers. They are insanely fast.
As for reliability, Apple cleaned up the PC Magazine reliability survey this year for desktop and notebooks. No one ever said any computer platform was defect free but that large survey would indicate that they are several steps ahead of the pack.
B (Apple PowerBook and Athlon 64 desktop here)
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brentsg said:
That's my feeling as well. I've owned more than 15 Apple computers over the years, from way way back, and I've never been disappointed. Then again, all I use it for is Word, email, web, and music - it's ideal for my purposes. I'm sure for computer gaming (something I'm not interested in), Macs aren't ideal. For casual home computer use, they're wonderful.
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JHendrix said:
Innovative design? They copied Gateway of all companies. This is not a new idea design wise.
Gateway Profile 4, which came out in 2002.
Or could it be Gateway who copied this Mac from 1997?
20th Anniversary Mac, which came out in 1997
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brentsg said:
I'm comparing the iMac to a cheaper and faster 3Ghz P4 Dell machine. That is far from the top of the line.
The latest G5 towers compare somewhat favorably to the "latest and greatest" PC's. Dual Opterons however, for most tasks, eat the Dual G5's lunch and then some.
And they're not "clock for clock faster" than PC's, just Intel chips. The latest 2.4Ghz Opterons outperform the latest 2.5Ghz G5's in the majority of tests.
And as for reliability Apple has had numerous problems with the last rev of the iBooks and Powerbooks, so they have far from a perfect record. And FYI Dell has also cleaned up in PC magazine and other round ups as far as service and reliability goes, and they do it for far less cash than Apple does.
If I had the money laying around then yes I would buy a mac, One thing that bugs me is that they put a Fx5200 in the System. A ati 9000 pro is twice as fast as that card and of your spending that much on a system then they should put a better card in. I like the Mac OS, but the hardware is far overpriced and overrated.
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brentsg said:Or could it be Gateway who copied this Mac from 1997?
20th Anniversary Mac, which came out in 1997
?????
B
Wow, I kinda want that.