dts and dolby pro logic which one is better?

so which one right now is currently offering better sound?
anybody know why the us dvds rerely carry the dts track?

ummm...
maybe you meant dts vs dolby digital

anyway dts is the best
It's compressed at 1536kb/s, while d.digital at half that rate(if not wrong)
It's the cleanest and deepest sound you could listen......obviously if supported by a decent A/V system

Isn't Pro Logic a "false surround sound," a fake surround sound created by filters?

kaos said:

ummm...
maybe you meant dts vs dolby digital

anyway dts is the best
It's compressed at 1536kb/s, while d.digital at half that rate(if not wrong)
It's the cleanest and deepest sound you could listen......obviously if supported by a decent A/V system

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yeah d.digital is what i meant.
how come alot of region 1 dvds dont support it?
is it the studios being cheap or something?
i noticed that alot of r2/3 dvds have dts an your right it does sound clearer
thats why im getting the jpn vers.of alien quadrylogy it has aliens in dts unlike the us version.

5thlion5thlion said:

yeah d.digital is what i meant.
how come alot of region 1 dvds dont support it?
is it the studios being cheap or something?
i noticed that alot of r2/3 dvds have dts an your right it does sound clearer
thats why im getting the jpn vers.of alien quadrylogy it has aliens in dts unlike the us version.

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It's a marketing problem, like usual
I believe adding dts costs more, general speaking

but It's not just this
the average joe (according to an article I've read not so long ago) dont basically understand shit about sound quality and He's kinda attracted by THX certified stuff since He thinks "THX=George Lucas=better" hence if a DVD is THX certified It cant possibly have a dts track
Lucas is a monopolist son of a bitch
this is true especially for new movies and especially in the US (region1)

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fixed, my english still sucks..

THX is that a soundtrack like dolby digi an dts?

5thlion5thlion said:

THX is that a soundtrack like dolby digi an dts?

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THX is a fucking business
It's basically a bunch of rules that companies should respect, when making their stuff(amps, players, speakers....whatever), so to have a THX logo on their products

some companies do (Denon, Pioneer.....) some others dont give a flying fuck such as Yamaha (that, IMO, still makes the best stuff)

5thlion5thlion said:

THX is that a soundtrack like dolby digi an dts?

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Isn't THX a standard of some sort by which sound is created? I didn't think it was a surround sound mixing like DTS or anything.... I don't know much about this shit though.

yeah i always see units bearing the THX certified logo on them i use to think it meant good quality but that sometimes is not the case.

kaos said:

anyway dts is the best
It's compressed at 1536kb/s, while d.digital at half that rate(if not wrong)
It's the cleanest and deepest sound you could listen......obviously if supported by a decent A/V system

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Actually, the 1536 kb/s was the ORIGINAL DTS standard, but DTS can be either 1536 kb/s or 768 kb/s.

Very few DTS tracks are 1536 kb/s. I think Power DVD tells you what rate the track is encoded at.

A recent example of a 768 kb/s (or whatever the number is now) DTS track is the new Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

An example of 1536 kb/s DTS that I can think of, besides some off the beaten path stuff, is the ORIGINAL 2 disc release of Dances With Wolves DTS. I believe the re-release of DWW is dropped to 768 kb/s.

THX certification is just that, certification.

If a decoder, DVD player, TV, toilet or whatever is THX certified it means that the THX labs certify that the setup is THX compatible and stands to their 'standards.' Pioneer, Deneon and anyone else with a THX certified unit paid for the certification, as they know the average retard will buy stuff that is THX branded.

I saw something at Best Buy the other day. THX brnaded Monsted Cable Optical Cables. Hello? What is optical? It's a piece of fiber optic cable with a connector at both ends. Fiber, is fiber, is fiber is fiber. The connector may be a little better than an average cable, but as long as the light makes it from one end to the other, there's no signal loss. There is NO REASON to buy THX certified optical cables, unless you want to spend $20 more than normal. There's no reason to buy Monster Cable Optical Cables unless you like being over charged for cables.

5thlion5thlion said:

yeah d.digital is what i meant.
how come alot of region 1 dvds dont support it?
is it the studios being cheap or something?
i noticed that alot of r2/3 dvds have dts an your right it does sound clearer
thats why im getting the jpn vers.of alien quadrylogy it has aliens in dts unlike the us version.

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DTS=less compression=less room on DVDs for extras.

What's a big buying point for some people when it comes to DVDs? DTS? Fuck no, it's the extras!

It also involves cost. DTS costs extra money I believe.

The other reason not a lot of DVDs supported it is because it wasn't available on a wide scale when DVDs first started being released. Look at surround sound systems from around the time DVD players were being released. Not many offered support for DTS, though they all supported Dolby in some form or another. When you are making a DVD (or software for that matter), are going to support what 12 people have, or something 12,000 have?

Ok, here is a loose terminology to Dolby Digital, DTS, and Pro Logic/Pro Logic II:

Dolby Digital is typically a 5.1 surround audio channel that is digital (hence the name). Ther is a 7.1 version, but the name escapes me at the moment. The advantage of DD is that all the audio information can fit on a 35mm movie strip, since it is so compressed as was previously mentioned. Some audiophiles say that the difference between DD and DTS is minimal at best, while others say the difference is far and wide. Most home theater systems support at least DD and a lot also support DTS. The downside to DD is that it requires more processing power to decode the signal since it is compressed. The Xbox has enough processing power to decode DD on the fly, hence the awesome aural experience you get with the Xbox. Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow supports the 7.1 setup by using PLII for the additional two channels - I think it's the first Xbox game to use it.

DTS or Digital Theater Sound was developed around the time of the film Jurassic Park. If I remember correctly, I think it was developed especially for the film. The sound is much more uncompressed, creating a disputably cleaner sound. For a standard 35mm film, however, the audio data must be stored on a separate dvd and played in the sync. This is akin to the early days of sound cinema, where the sound was stored on a vinyl record and played simultaneously. I think the Xbox can do DTS on the fly with no problem but Dolby must have a tight deal with them because all Xbox titles are only DD. Curiously, the PS2 can output DTS, which is technically a higer quality sound, becuase it requires less processing power than DD. The only game that comes to mind at the moment that supports DTS on the PS2 (there are others) is GTA Vice City. There is also a DTS-ES that has 7.1 support. Some of the big dvd releases like The Fellowship of the Ring can support this format.

Dolby Pro Logic/Pro Logic II is an analog system of creating surround sound, meaning that it take an analog signal and tries to split it into a surround sound. This is how Dolby started making surround sound. Pro Logic has been around for a while, while PLII is relatively new. It separates the channels much clearer than the original PL. The Gamecube is known for using PLII since it has no digital audio output, and a lot of titles for the system are in PLII (Metroid, Mario Sunshine, etc.) Most multi-platform games use PLII in order to compete with the Xbox. The separation and quality of the sound still isn't as good as either DTS or DD, but it's not bad IMO. The PS2 also releases games that use PLII and since it has digital output it can sound prettty decent on a home theater system.

Note: While the PS2 can't render DD on the fly, it can present prerendered scenes and movies in both DTS and DD, so if you hooked up your PS2 to a digital port on your system, the signal will switch to DD from time to time if there is a cutscene.

I hope this is helpful.

slerch666:
yes I knew about it
what I never thought about was to check it with PowerDVD
thanks a lot for heads up


oh...
Mushiki, dont bother coming here
I'll post something for you:

dts surround system is amazing
DUN DUN DUN

kaos said:

slerch666:
yes I knew about it
what I never thought about was to check it with PowerDVD
thanks a lot for heads up

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I THINK it's Power DVD, I know one of the major PC DVD player software has the ability to show you what a sound track is encoded at.

tsumake- Any PS2 game that supports DTS doesn't support it during the game, it's cinemas only.

I can't remember which game it was that had that capability, as it had DTS listed on the back, but all that was DTS was the video clips.

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tsumake- Any PS2 game that supports DTS doesn't support it during the game, it's cinemas only.

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That's why XBox rocks my browneye.

neither is better, it depends disc to disc, some discs which feature both tracks can sound better than the other from disc to disc. i've always found Dolby to have louder subwoofer sections, and just be louder in general, DTS can sound more detailed, but is a bit less punchy, but that's just me. I basically just use dolby now, unless the disc is DTS only.

DTS-ES sounds very nice though, it's a true 6.1 encoding, not that many discs use it, but Blade 2 for example does, Dolby doesn't have that yet, they only have Dolby EX, which just breaks the back 2 speakers into 3, like pro-logic does with stereo sound.

DashK said:

, it depends disc to disc,

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that's very true as well, but we're speaking about years ago
LOT of old stuff featuring a dts track has been made very poorly
as an example, Pulp fiction (first release, not the last) region 2 had a ridicoulose dts, so to speak, It looked like a normal stereo track with no bass

DTS-ES sounds very nice though, it's a true 6.1 encoding, not that many discs use it, but Blade 2 for example does, Dolby doesn't have that yet, they only have Dolby EX, which just breaks the back 2 speakers into 3, like pro-logic does with stereo sound.

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problem with 6.1 sound is that you need a top-notch system, otherwise differences are not even audible
and yes dts 6.1 does have a 6th discrete channel, while dolbyEX is just matriced(bracking the 2 back speakers into 3, for common folks)

THX isn't even owned by Lucas Films anymore.
Creative Labs owns most of it as far as I know.

I've also read something about THX limiting the development of sound systems in movie theaters..

DashK said:

neither is better, it depends disc to disc, some discs which feature both tracks can sound better than the other from disc to disc. i've always found Dolby to have louder subwoofer sections, and just be louder in general, DTS can sound more detailed, but is a bit less punchy, but that's just me. I basically just use dolby now, unless the disc is DTS only.

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Compare the 'punch' from the DTS Saving Private Ryan to the DD 5.1 version. I think you'd be hard pressed not to find the the DTS SPR has deeper bass, better separation of channels and a clairty not found in the DD 5.1. The punch all comes from at what level the designers of the track decide to put the LFE channel at, not due to a difference between DTS and DD 5.1.

The LE Aa! Megami-sama DTS version sounds more detailed and has deeper bass than the US DD 5.1 mix as well, though both sound good, I prefer my DTS track.

And if you don't like the levels, adjust them appropriately on your receiver. Sure it's a pain in the ass, but it's better than clipped peaks from some jackass sound designer deciding 'LOUDER IS BETTER BECAUSE IT JUST IS SO TAKE IT AS LOUD AS IT COMES AND LIKE IT...MY BITCH!'

I will also agree that it depends on the disc. As kaos stated, I've heard DTS tracks that sound like modded stereo tracks, and some that don't do much better than their DD 5.1 counterparts, yet when someone takes the time to create a nice DTS track, the level of sound quality is markedly improved. SPR, whether you like the movie or not, is a beautiful sounding movie (watch storming the beach in DD 5.1 and then watch in DTS, just make sure you have some nice speakers).

im going to try that i have saving private ryan but i dont know if its the dts vers.
my set up is infinity alpha speakers with a parts express sub
an a denon reciver.
so dts takes up alot of dvd space?

5thlion5thlion said:

im going to try that i have saving private ryan but i dont know if its the dts vers.

so dts takes up alot of dvd space?

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If your SPR has extras, it's NOT the DTS version. The DTS version has no extras.

DTS=less compressed than DD 5.1, so it stands to reason it takes up more space. It's like comparing MP3s to WAVs (well, if WAVs were compressed anyway). MP3s take up less space than WAVs, but also don't sound as good as the original WAVs (usually).

The higher the bit rate on the MP3, the more space it takes up, just like DD 5.1 and DTS.

oh ok kool ..dam youd be surprised the shit you can learn on these forums

DTS>Dolby Digital> Dolby Pro Logic II>Dolby Pro Logic

I originally had the DD version of Saving Private Ryan, and after getting a Marantz SR-19 receiver with DTS (which I still have and love), I got the DTS version. The DTS track blew the DD version away. This is not to say that it will be the case in every instance, but I always choose the DTS version of a DVD, or use the DTS track if a DVD has both DD and DTS.

The best Dolby Digital track I ever heard was on the Japanese laserdisc release of Star Wars Episode I, which I got awhile back before Phantom Menace was released on DVD. The pod race scene was incredible. IIRC, laserdiscs with DD tracks typically used a 768KB/sec data rate for the DD tracks, while most DVDs use a 384KB/sec rate.