California High Court Voids Same-Sex Marriages

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California High Court Voids Same-Sex Marriages
About 4,000 Couples Affected by Ruling
By DAVID KRAVETS, AP



SAN FRANCISCO (Aug. 12) -- The California Supreme Court on Thursday voided the nearly 4,000 same-sex marriages sanctioned in San Francisco this year and ruled unanimously that the mayor overstepped his authority by issuing licenses to gay and lesbian couples.

The court said the city illegally issued the certificates and performed the ceremonies, since state law defines marriage as a union between a man and woman.

The justices separately decided with a 5-2 vote to nullify the 3,995 marriages peformed between Feb. 12 and March 11, when the court halted the weddings. Their legality, Justice Joyce Kennard wrote, must wait until courts resolve the constitutionality of state laws that restrict marriages to opposite-sex couples.

The same-sex marriages had virtually no legal value, but powerful symbolic value. Their nullification by the high court dismayed Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon, the first same-sex couple to receive a marriage license in San Francisco.



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''Del is 83 years old and I am 79,'' Lyon said. ''After being together for more than 50 years, it is a terrible blow to have the rights and protections of marriage taken away from us. At our age, we do not have the luxury of time.''

About a dozen gay and lesbian couples, some wearing wedding dresses and tuxedos, waited on the steps of the Supreme Court building, and some cried when the decision was read.

The court did not resolve whether the California Constitution would permit a same-sex marriage, ruling instead on the limits of authority regarding local government officials.

Anti-gay-marriage groups hailed the ruling, saying Mayor Gavin Newsom acted prematurely.

''Instead of helping his cause, Mayor Newsom has set back the same-sex marriage agenda and laid the foundation for the pro-marriage movement to once and for all win this battle to preserve traditional marriage,'' said Mathew Staver, who represents Campaign for California Families in a lawsuit challenging the San Francisco marriages.

The justices agreed to resolve the legality of the San Francisco weddings after emergency petitions were filed by conservative interest groups and Attorney General Bill Lockyer.

Lockyer said Thursday's ruling ''simply says rule of law, rule of law, rule of law. That's how we govern our society.''

But Newsom was defiant at a news conference, where he appeared with city officials, many of them gay and lesbian. Newsom said his ''heart was heavy'' over the voided marriages but vowed to carry on the city's constitutional challenge.

''There is nothing that any court decision or politician can do that will take that (wedding) moment away,'' he said. ''I'm proud of those 4,000 couples.''



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Molly McKay, right, reads the decision from the California Supreme Court beside other gay couples.

San Francisco's gay weddings, which followed a landmark ruling by Massachusetts' top court allowing gay marriage, prompted President Bush to push for changing the U.S. Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, an effort that has become campaign fodder this election year.

The California court sided with Lockyer's arguments, ruling that Newsom's actions would sanction local officials to legislate state law from city halls or county government centers.

When the justices agreed to hear the case, they said they would decide for now only whether Newsom overstepped his mayoral powers. But they also said they would entertain a constitutional challenge - that gays should be treated the same as heterosexual couples under the California Constitution - if such a lawsuit reached the court.

Gay and lesbian couples immediately filed lawsuits making that argument, as did Newsom. The now-consolidated cases are unlikely to reach the California Supreme Court for at least a year.

Newsom argued to the justices in May that the ability of same-sex couples to marry was a ''fundamental right'' that compelled him to act. He authorized the marriages by citing the California Constitution's ban against discrimination, and claimed he was duty-bound to follow this higher authority rather than state laws banning gay marriage.

The Arizona-based Christian law firm Alliance Defense Fund, a plaintiff in one of two cases the justices decided Thursday, had told the justices that Newsom's ''act of disobedience'' could lead other local officials to sanction ''polygamists.''

Newsom's defiance of state law created huge lines at City Hall of gays and lesbians waiting to be married, and ignited a firestorm engulfing statehouses and ballot boxes nationwide.


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· Gay Marriage Debate

Missouri voters this month endorsed a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage - a move designed to prevent that state's judiciary from agreeing with the arguments Newsom is making in California.

A state constitutional challenge by gays in Massachusetts prompted that state's highest court to endorse the gay marriages that began there in May. A judge in Washington state this month also ruled in favor of gay marriage, pending a resolution from that state's top court.

Louisiana residents are to vote Sept. 18 on constitutionally banning same-sex marriage. Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah are to vote Nov. 2. Initiatives are pending in Michigan, North Dakota and Ohio.

Four states - Alaska, Hawaii, Nebraska and Nevada - already have similar amendments in their constitutions.


08-12-04 18:01 EDT

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this state is so gay. :envy:

btw if they get married do they get some sort of tax break or any sort of insurance benefits or something like that? are there $$$ perks for being married?
 

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when I first heard about gay marriages in the warroom, I thought they were some kind of jokes or something (never checked what was inside these threads).

lol America.

FeelGood said:
this state is so gay. :envy:

btw if they get married do they get some sort of tax break or any sort of insurance benefits or something like that? are there $$$ perks for being married?

who's the lucky guy?
 
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now if that's not ownage i don't know what is
 

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Great .... now I'll have to hear about gh4y rights for the next year or so on the national news. :( :oh_no:

Just let them have their damned marriages so they'll shutup.
 

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Good thing I live in MA...

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FeelGood said:
this state is so gay. :envy:

btw if they get married do they get some sort of tax break or any sort of insurance benefits or something like that? are there $$$ perks for being married?

You have lower taxes when you're single.

Really, there are not a lot of benefits to being legally married.

If I remember correctly, the question of whether same sex marriages should be made legal in California was put to a vote a couple years back. It failed then, so let's just put it back on the ballot and find out if the majority of voters in California was still against it. Then no more bitching from San Francisco.

PS: Since half of all marriages end in divorce, I think about 1997 couples should shut the hell up. :D
 

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Eric said:
You have lower taxes when you're single.

Really, there are not a lot of benefits to being legally married.

If I remember correctly, the question of whether same sex marriages should be made legal in California was put to a vote a couple years back. It failed then, so let's just put it back on the ballot and find out if the majority of voters in California was still against it. Then no more bitching from San Francisco.

PS: Since half of all marriages end in divorce, I think about 1997 couples should shut the hell up. :D

Info on the new tax laws and tax breaks with filling jointly:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P48908.asp

This on the same day NJ's governor steps down claiming "I'm a gay American!"
 

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It's good to see some people standing up for the right thing, even if it's not popular.
 

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Jedah Doma said:
It's good to see some people standing up for the right thing, even if it's not popular.

Yep, best to keep those fags down, and single!
 

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nruva said:
Yep, best to keep those fags down, and single!

You have a way with words my friend. They are not eloquent nor are they touching, but they are special in their own little way.
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I guess Dashk won't be getting married, and we'll be seeing a lot more of him around here in the future :(

EDIT - Loopz beat me to the punch :(
 

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Don't feel bad Wes....Dark Andy technically beat us both to the punch.

Register your gifts for DashK and Makismo here .
 
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Jedah Doma said:
It's good to see some people standing up for the right thing, even if it's not popular.

A-fucking-men.

We've done a good job so far keeping these faggots from getting married, now we just have to work on abolishing interracial marriages and all will be right with the world.

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Average Joe #2 said:
A-fucking-men.

We've done a good job so far keeping these faggots from getting married, now we just have to work on abolishing interracial marriages and all will be right with the world.


After that we can finally finish what good old uncle Adolf started.

I'm glad to know my state (Missouri) isn't the only one in the union that also hates fags.
 

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Anybody else see a weird humor in reading AJ's first post and the followup? Nothing like a big picture of Kevin showing off his chest while thinking of him as a selfrighteous homo hater. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's comedy gold.
 

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galfordo said:
Great .... now I'll have to hear about gh4y rights for the next year or so on the national news. :( :oh_no:

Just let them have their damned marriages so they'll shutup.

No shit.

Hell, they should be thankful they can't get married. They don't have to deal with their partner always whining " lets get married , blah , blah".

PS- For the record, I'm all for gay marriages. I wanna see Gay Divorce Court, that shit would be funny as fuck to watch.
 

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SonGohan said:
Anybody else see a weird humor in reading AJ's first post and the followup? Nothing like a big picture of Kevin showing off his chest while thinking of him as a selfrighteous homo hater. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's comedy gold.

Allow me to explain...

I hate faggots.

Hate them.

They're just, so... so... so... faggoty -- it makes me fucking sick to think that these people are out there, teaching my [imaginary] kids, cutting my hair, drilling my cavities, starring in my favorite movies/televion shows, selling me liquor, handing me my arrest warrants for spousal abuse, bagging my groceries, taking up my parking spaces, and making the average American look bad because they're all in such great shape.

If it were up to me? I'd hog-tie them all to the back of my 1982 Ford Pickup (complete with a Confederate flag sticker on the back window pane of course) and drag them to their much deserved violent and bloody deaths.

That would teach those limp-wristed fucks not to be different and to obey the word of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

But... I do love Kevin Sorbo, and would fuck him until my hip bones gave out given the chance.

This isn't a movie where the two star-crossed lovers just happen to stumble across their destined love via email, so the chances of me actually meeting him are so slim, that I can go on hating faggots all I want, despite the fact that I myself have an intense homosexual attraction to him, Tom Cruise, Russel Crowe, Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse), Unlce Jesse from Full House (forget his name), Mark-Paul Gossellar, Gackt, Matt Lauer, Vincent Ventresca (see photo below), and Batman (yes... in the costume -- and yes, I know he's not real, but a guy can dream, can't he?)

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He may look like a badass, but I'd bet he's a great snuggle-buddy. ^-^

*ahem* Anyway -- God hates fags; the President hates fags; California hates fags, and I hate fags.






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FeelGood said:
this state is so gay. :envy:

btw if they get married do they get some sort of tax break or any sort of insurance benefits or something like that? are there $$$ perks for being married?

Yes, actually.

Marriage, as I understand it (and probably varying by state) has a ton of rights affected including taxation issues, insurance, custoday, inheritance, and hospital rights. The extent of these effects are far-reaching, which is why this is fundamentally an equality issue. Hence, some conservatives wanting to avert (in a rather silly manner) the basic issue want to call gay marriages simply "unions", except of course that this invokes the "seperate but equal" catch.

I would propose there's only two ways to fix this:

1. Abandon all state recognition for marriage, and only recognize civil unions. If "marriage" is a religious matter anyway, then the state should recognize no marriage, because the state and church must remain seperate.

2. Allow all marriages, gay or otherwise. Similarly, this keeps the government out of what is supposedly a "religious question". Since the basis for "man + woman" is religious, the state cannot recognize that statute. This pisses off hicks like Jedah, but should that really matter to anyone? Furthermore, I see no reason gay couples shouldn't have to put up with all the bullshit crap that straight couples do. Really, is sharing divorce something we should be upset about?

Most importantly, gays aren't ruining the institution of marriage. Straight marriages are doing all that just fine with divorce. Bush has talked over and over again about the sacred nature of marriage, yet no one in the right wing seems to give a damn that half of all straight marriages end in divorce. Gays have become a scapegoat for the problems of the straight community...

All that said, the decision of the Supreme Court averted dangerous precedents as to the distribution of power within local government. Sucks for those married, the supreme court should have issued some kind of hold on it before so many were married, instead of avoiding the issue until they couldn't anymore.
 
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Its a fucking disgrace.
Score one for the 'morale minority' as they supress the rights of decent law abiding people who just want to have the same chances at happiness that the rest of us in the 'straight' majority take for granted!
Sadly the reins of the USA are still in the hands of pathetic little people who spend way to much time fretting about what other people may be doing 'behind closed doors'!
I guess every vicious little bigot in the USA must be patting themselves on the back after winning such a 'great victory' and making the USA a safer place?
Still, one ray of light! Your history shows that 'the genie never goes back in the bottle' ;)
One day the leaders of the Gay right movement will be remembered alongside the likes of the suffragettes and civil rights leaders. It may take a few more years for the general public's eyes to open, even Dr King (perhaps the single greatest american in history) couldn't change attitudes overnight.
But it'll happen one day.
Especially in a situation like this one. Love will conquer all.
I hopw those 8000 people aren't too heartbroken. They are pioneers, and isn't the pioneering spirit what made America?
 
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