Did I get a bootleg MKR season 2 box set?

Soniku · Jul 26, 2004

I just bought this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5910373492&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT and receieved it today.

I haven't opened it yet, but this

is the image on the cover, normally it should be the 3 rune gods if i'm not mistaken...

I knew the price was too cheap, but I figured what the hell, eh?

All help is appreciated, thanks.

Edit: As I look at the box, this has to be a boot just becuase of the fact that there's only enough room to put 2 DVD cases in which haven't been put in, just racks to hold the DVDs... It's possible that it's a re-release, but I haven't heard anything of it/it probably wouldn't be this shitty... FUCK!

Verythrax · Jul 26, 2004

Soniku17 said:
I just bought this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5910373492&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT and receieved it today.

I haven't opened it yet, but this

is the image on the cover, normally it should be the 3 rune gods if i'm not mistaken...

I knew the price was too cheap, but I figured what the hell, eh?

All help is appreciated, thanks.

Edit: As I look at the box, this has to be a boot just becuase of the fact that there's only enough room to put 2 DVD cases in which haven't been put in, just racks to hold the DVDs... It's possible that it's a re-release, but I haven't heard anything of it/it probably wouldn't be this shitty... FUCK!

If it have a Chinese subtitles option, it IS a boot. What's the region? Region ALL = boot.

Soniku · Jul 26, 2004

It doesn't have Chinese subtitles, only english, but neither the auction nor the box says anything about the region, and I don't want to open it yet.

It still seems to be clearly a boot since this isn't what the original box looks like. I e-mailed the seller asking him if I could get some sort of compensation or whatever. I doubt he was fscking around, based on his feedback, but then again, most bootleg sellers have good feedback since people don't realise what it is that they're buying. However, at the same time, this seems to be his only anime/dvd auction. He mostly deals in golfing items otherwise.

Verythrax · Jul 26, 2004

Soniku17 said:
It doesn't have Chinese subtitles, only english, but neither the auction nor the box says anything about the region, and I don't want to open it yet.

It still seems to be clearly a boot since this isn't what the original box looks like. I e-mailed the seller asking him if I could get some sort of compensation or whatever. I doubt he was fscking around, based on his feedback, but then again, most bootleg sellers have good feedback since people don't realise what it is that they're buying. However, at the same time, this seems to be his only anime/dvd auction. He mostly deals in golfing items otherwise.

I don't think that you will have problems with him, he said that he doen't work with boots, so he NEED to refund you. Bootlegers have good feedback cause 90% of prople thta buy from them know that they are boots already.

Highlander67 · Jul 26, 2004

bootz= the cheapness

slerch666 · Jul 26, 2004

Who is the manufacturer? If it doesn't say Anime Works or Media-Blasters on it somewhere, it's a boot.

The MKR set 2 is supposed to be 7 discs long.

Here's one of the pics of the side of the box.

I have the set, I can take pics when I get home if you really want/need them.

Anytime people put 'perfect collection' on a set that never had a 'perfect collection' release (there is a box of MKR 2 and 1, but they aren't called 'perfect collections'), it's likely a shit ass HK boot.

Verythrax · Jul 26, 2004

slerch666 said:
Who is the manufacturer? If it doesn't say Anime Works or Media-Blasters on it somewhere, it's a boot.

The MKR set 2 is supposed to be 7 discs long.

Here's one of the pics of the side of the box.

I have the set, I can take pics when I get home if you really want/need them.

Anytime people put 'perfect collection' on a set that never had a 'perfect collection' release (there is a box of MKR 2 and 1, but they aren't called 'perfect collections'), it's likely a shit ass HK boot.

Just to point one thing. DVD count isn't a parameter to discover boots anymore. Lots of official releases are using that "as-many-chapters-per-disc" option, to make the prices low, specially to reissues.

Soniku · Jul 26, 2004

Verythrax said:
Just to point one thing. DVD count isn't a parameter to discover boots anymore. Lots of official releases are using that "as-many-chapters-per-disc" option, to make the prices low, specially to reissues.

Yeah, that's why I was wondering about this.

Slerch, you don't have to take pics, but thanks anyway... I've seen a lot of MKR boots actually, this is a new one though it seems.

Oh yes, and Highlander, you were very helpful as well, thank you. :rolleyes:

Soniku · Jul 26, 2004

Well I just got a reply from the guy:

I am not sure what you are trying to say. If you feel
this is not the real deal Please send the unopened
package back for a full refund. I purchased a few of
these sets and i still have one in front of me..THESE
ARE NOT BOOTLEGS., If you are not happy send it back
for a full refund.
To: Lonnie Shaw
95-668 Wikao st #J206
Mililani,HI 96789

ALOHA

Lonnie

Yeah I should probably censor his address, but I didn't :/.

I don't know what makes him think they aren't bootlegs. I'll send him a picture of a real version of the set I guess. Either way, I'm almost afraid to send the guy the package back and then just not get a refund.

Verythrax · Jul 26, 2004

Soniku17 said:
I don't know what makes him think they aren't bootlegs. I'll send him a picture of a real version of the set I guess. Either way, I'm almost afraid to send the guy the package back and then just not get a refund.

Maybe it's just he's criteria to judge... it's well printed, no DVDRs, so it must not be a bootleg

It's not difficult to find people like this. Maybe just an unaware guy.

KOF_FANATIK · Jul 26, 2004

here is the top

http://us.st9.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/animecorner_1799_162780923

Soniku · Jul 26, 2004

KOF_FANATIK said:
here is the top

http://us.st9.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/animecorner_1799_162780923

Thanks for that image, it helped actually.

Here is my reply e-mail to the guy:

I'll send it back. My PayPal address is SYedwab@aol.com. I would however like to prove to you that it is a bootleg just for the fact that the artwork shown here: http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/sDCR4uSs0p4Zjcdyo7/browse/item/45117/4/0/0 is the artwork used on the official release of the box set. The artwork on the bootleg was taken from DVD 12 of the series, show here: http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/ImoLHwoKCVFnCsr881/browse/item/59055/4/954/24 Also, nowhere on the box is there any mention of Anime Works or Media-Blasters. The box set is also called "Perfect Collection," yet there never was a "Perfect Collection" release (the official releases aren't called that).

The image of Fuu on the back of the box (the girl holding the sword) is the artwork from season 1 of the series, not season 2. The item information on the bottom of the back of the box is the usual table graphic used in HK boots. The box is also far too thin to house 7 DVDs in standard DVD cases, which is what the original box set uses. Instead, the DVDs are held in the box by "racks," (I can't find a better word for it) that are fastened to the box so that the box can unfold and open up. Most box sets don't use that method with the exception of a few such as Record of Lodoss War.
Here is what is supposed to be on the top of the box: http://us.st9.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/animecorner_1799_162780923
That is nowhere to be found on the bootleg due to lack of room (there isn't even a top to it).

I would like to receive my money for both the item itself and shipping to me and back to you as well, since this item is easily proven to be fraudulent. Thank you.

Thanks to everyone that helped me out... call me an ass, but I want my money back for shipping as well even though that's not standard practice (I don't think it is).

I should probably ask to get my money sent back to me first, but I know that won't go over well, heh.

slerch666 · Jul 26, 2004

Verythrax said:
Just to point one thing. DVD count isn't a parameter to discover boots anymore. Lots of official releases are using that "as-many-chapters-per-disc" option, to make the prices low, specially to reissues.

That all depends on the company. ADV recently released the 2 mega Nadia collections. It's the original 10 disc + 1 Disc (movie) setup. No reauthoring or anything else. The only time they seem to do differing counts for rereleases is when they bring it out in the Anime Essential line.

Viz is notorious for releasing 8 disc individuals then reauthoring to 5 discs when they do their boxes (think Ranma).

Bandai usually does the same amount of discs, as does Geneon/Pioneer. Animeigo is the same, except they tend to do their boxes first, then the singles (UY). I can't think of any company doing releases with less discs than the original versions actually...

There is, however, no other version of the box set for MKR available besides the 7 disc version. Not from Media-Blasters, and if it's not an MB set, then it's not a legit R1.

You can also bet your ass there is no version with less discs than this in Japan (if it's even on DVD in Japan yet, never looked), so it's not an R2 either..

RAINBOW PONY · Jul 26, 2004

of course it's a boot. the real 2nd boxset is still 119.95 retail. besides don't you know what the legit covers look like? that ain't it.

slerch666 · Jul 26, 2004

DashK said:
of course it's a boot. the real 2nd boxset is still 119.95 retail. besides don't you know what the legit covers look like? that ain't it.

MSRP is 199.95 and DashK is right, the cheapest you can find it is ~$120 on-line.

When it comes to Anime DVDs, if the price seems too good to be true, it likely is. When a person doesn't put a picture up of the ACTUAL item, I'd stay away from the auction, especially when the artwork clearly is NOT artwork found on any of the known legit releases.

If you ever have questions before buying, ask then, not after the fact. Sure, someone may be looking for the same thing and beat you to it if it is legit, but at least you don't have to go through this BS. Or PM me, I usually can spot a bootleg a mile away. Or PM anyone else in this thread, I'm sure any one of us could tell if something is a boot or not...

especially Highlander67 :rolleyes:

lol

Soniku · Jul 27, 2004

Again, thank you everyone for your help and information. I just received this e-mail from the seller:

PLEASE WAIT BEFORE YOU SEND BACK THE SET YOU PURCHASED
WITH BUY IT NOW.IT IS EXCATLY AS THE DISCRIPTION
STATED....HERE IS THE WEB PAGE were you can buy THIS
SET...Please make certain before you accuse someone
for selling fraudulant items..This is new in the box
from japan..Copy and paste the link below..

http://www.import-anime.com/index.p...79&PHPSESSID=e44d3e0b443be761caef909e85918e9e

In return, I responding with this:

Calm down there buddy. I don't see what makes you believe that because you got it from THAT website, that it HAS to be a legit item. What makes THEM so special? For the record, import-anime.com was recently sued by ADV for selling bootlegs. Let's not forget that in their site description they specifically mention that what they sell is coming from Hong Kong, and everyone knows that ANY form of anime coming from Hong Kong is an automatic bootleg.

Several message board posts on anipike.com even mention import-anime.com for selling boots such as this one here: http://forum.anipike.com/archive/index.php/t-1409.html

Even if you go to their site and check out some of the reviews such as this one: http://import-anime.com/review.php?item_id=1399
someone mentions that it's a bootleg, yet the website administration does nothing to edit/delete that review. The reason being is that most people know that this website and certain others sell bootlegs, why else do you think they're so cheap with their items? The reason being for people buying bootlegs is because they're cheap, and thusly they don't care about quality as long as they get to see what they're interested in viewing. Of course, these companies COULD be stealing everything off the back of a truck, but I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt that would last for very long... not long enough to run a website such as they have, that is.

American law enforcement does nothing to shut them down since they're usually situated outside of the country/are ignorant of the fact that the organization is selling bootleg copies.

I could continue to ramble on about the topic even longer, but I believe that I've made myself clear and should have gotten my point across: "THE ITEM IS A BOOTLEG!" However, if you need even more clarification, let me know, I'm always happy to help.

I'd appreciate it if you'd e-mail me back now with a confirmation that you will be refunding my money for both the item and shipping to me and back to you. Thank you.

And yes, I know that I should have seen this as being a bootleg from a hundred miles a way, but I have seen auctions similar to this one that did turn out to be legit. Chances are the item was stolen, and I have no problem with receiving stolen items, as long as I'm not the thief/commisioner (hell, it's not even against the law). In this case, however, it seems that the item was not stolen, although I wish it was.

As for the image placed in the auction, I figured it was some random picture that the seller managed to get ahold of, I've seen it happen before as well.

SouthtownKid · Jul 27, 2004

Soniku17 said:
...and I have no problem with receiving stolen items, as long as I'm not the thief/commisioner (hell, it's not even against the law).

1.) What are bootlegs, except stolen properties? If you steal something legit, how is that better (except for the picture quality)? The whole point of bootlegs being bad is that it steals money from the rightful owners, which if you buy a stolen legit version...is what happens.

Soniku17 said:
(hell, it's not even against the law).

2.) It is against the law. It's called receiving stolen goods. Just so you know.

Soniku · Jul 27, 2004

Yeah, I realise that, and I figured someone would attempt to "correct" me.

Basically what I'm talking about is taking a physical item, not copying data. Both are theft though... But you probably won't get in trouble with the authorities for owning a bootleg anime DVD here and there.

And I wasn't sure about the whole receiving stolen goods thing, but I don't think it applies if you didn't know that the item was stolen, and of course you just claim to have not known that it was stolen, chances are you didn't anyway. Of course, then again, there is the whole ignorance isn't an excuse dealie too, so I'm really not sure how it would work in this case, it's kinda a grey area.

I think that made sense... it's late.

slerch666 · Jul 27, 2004

SouthtownKid said:
1.) What are bootlegs, except stolen properties? If you steal something legit, how is that better (except for the picture quality)? The whole point of bootlegs being bad is that it steals money from the rightful owners, which if you buy a stolen legit version...is what happens.

Being stolen also deprives the original purchaser of their property, which is worse on another level as well.

And I wasn't sure about the whole receiving stolen goods thing, but I don't think it applies if you didn't know that the item was stolen, and of course you just claim to have not known that it was stolen, chances are you didn't anyway.

What usually happens in these cases, I believe, is that you wouldn't be prosecuted, but I'm sure they would investigate you to find out if you had stolen it. Of course, if you bought it off eBay from another state, you'd be free and clear in terms of questioning whether you did the stealing or not.

After they figure out you didn't steal it, you'd be out the $$$ you paid unless you sued the thief/seller. The goods would be returned to their rightful owner, blah blah blah.

The problem with the whole purchase was that your greed won out. Your desire for that good deal led you to buy the set, full well knowing it could be a boot. Of course, a seller could always bootleg someone else's picture and pass it off as the real deal and sell you a boot. You'd then have something to stand on with eBay.

When a seller says 'not a bootleg' and doesn't show actual pictures, don't bid and you won't have this happen. I'm not trying to be 'holier than though' or anything like that, just trying to keep you from making the same greedy mistake again.

smuf · Jul 27, 2004

bootleg?

Robert · Jul 27, 2004

The only fact that you can get english subtitles makes me think that you get a boot. I have never seen an official anime japanese DVD box with english subtitles.

I'm used to buy boots since original DVDs cost too much (an average of 53$ on cdjapan.co.jp)

Verythrax · Jul 27, 2004

smuf said:
bootleg?

Yes, for sure.

slerch666 · Jul 27, 2004

smuf said:
bootleg?

Yes.

slerch666 · Jul 27, 2004

Robert said:
The only fact that you can get english subtitles makes me think that you get a boot. I have never seen an official anime japanese DVD box with english subtitles.

I'm used to buy boots since original DVDs cost too much (an average of 53$ on cdjapan.co.jp)

Miyazaki films usually have Eng subs on the official release, mostly as a measure to try and get people NOT to buy boots.

If you have a region free player, you could always buy legit R1 DVDs.

RAINBOW PONY · Jul 27, 2004

there is no reason why you should ever accidently buy a bootleg off ebay, go to animeondvd.com, learn what the legit covers look like (they have reviews and pictures of EVERYTHING), how much they really cost, and there will be no problem. as evil as people think the bootleggers are, i've never seen one try to pass a picture of the real deal when they were selling boots, all the boots are easily identifiable if you're not completly clueless about it. when i DO want boots, i go to ebay and get them, unreleased stuff like area 88, samurai OVA, galaxy express tv etc., boots can be useful when the time comes.

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