The Proliferation of Anime in the U.S.

JFlex

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Just read an extensive article on the University of Texas website. Apparently, the professor of Asian studies offers an explanation as to why so many of us are fascinated with Japanese culture....... from anime to video games. The article is in-depth and very interesting. For those of you interested here's the link:

http://www.utexas.edu/features/
 

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I'm looking forward to those vending machines with used schoolgirl panties ;).

I <3 Japanese culture :D
 

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Unrelated threads like this one go in our unrelated forum.
 

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Looks very interesting. I'll have to read it later.

I see she has an extensive collection of Hong Kong bootlegs...
 

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Too_short, This is the general discussion section isn't yet? Haven't you ever wondered why we have such an affinity for SNK games? Could it be our intrigue with the japanese culture? Why are games like Matrimelee so popular with this group, but no where else? There are plenty of worthwhile issues to discuss other than gameplay.....think bigger....think outside the box.
 

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JFlex said:
Too_short, This is the general discussion section isn't yet? Haven't you ever wondered why we have such an affinity for SNK games? Could it be our intrigue with the japanese culture? Why are games like Matrimelee so popular with this group, but no where else? There are plenty of worthwhile issues to discuss other than gameplay.....think bigger....think outside the box.
...and you do that in Unrelated.
 

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Nice article. I personally perfer Japanese games, not for the sake of them being Japanese but because they often show a lot more effort put into them and are better than a lot of American-Produced games.

Still, I'd like to see the Japanese top NFL Blitz! :drool:

As for anime, I like some of it, but I'm not one of those people that likes all of them just because "OMG IT COMEZ FROM JAPAN YO SHIZZLE!!!1". I understand why so many people like it but I'm not obsessed with it, I have no problem watching it though. I mostly like action-oriented ones (I still like DBZ, and miss the fansub scene).
 
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That article is interesting but doesn't really say anything. I believe a lot of us DID get into Japanimation and Japanese culture due to really being interested in something "Foreign" to homegrown product, but the gist of the Johnny-Come-Latelys today are into it because it's the Flavor of the month or is so damned accessible today as versus say in early 1990 when Crooks/Books Nippon U.S. Renditions and Animeigo + CPM started off that 80% is pure ME TOO! with the remaning 20% actually giving a shit about the culture it derived from and not just about how cool something looks. These are the assholes who refuse to watch Japanimation English Subbed and actually THINK that dubbing is good.

:oh_no:

...yeah fuckin' right. It's those fuckers who ruined the movement, hence why I still love the weird culture of Japan but the Japanimation passion is next to non existant since now every acne faced shit bird is an expert at it. I actually had some son of a bitch at Sun Coast as I was shopping for Captain Herlock Vol. 3 tell me: "It's AN-E-MAY not Japanimation!" I just looked at the dude and told him to give me some breathing space before I broke his fuckin' nose... the prick. He was all nuttin' over Beldandy from AH MY GODDESS and I was like, "It's fuckers like you who didn't have a hand in the fighting to have JAPANIMATION mainstream that ruined it for me. I'd like to rip your head off and shit down your neck but then I'd have to go to jail for a piece of shit like YOU!"

...then I walked off and ended up buying HERLOCK at Best Buy. *That Dr. Susan Napier from the article is kinda' hot, I'd like to introduce her to the Japanese tradition of *Bukkake.

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JFlex said:
Too_short, This is the general discussion section isn't yet? Haven't you ever wondered why we have such an affinity for SNK games? Could it be our intrigue with the japanese culture? Why are games like Matrimelee so popular with this group, but no where else? There are plenty of worthwhile issues to discuss other than gameplay.....think bigger....think outside the box.
General Discussion about SNK, not anime. Think outside the General Discussion forum.

Useless article in my opinion, doesn't offer any new insight. Basically puts this woman on a faulty pedestal because she's teaching anime. Big deal.
 

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Mercenary X99 said:
I actually had some son of a bitch at Sun Coast as I was shopping for Captain Herlock Vol. 3 tell me: "It's AN-E-MAY not Japanimation!" I just looked at the dude and told him to give me some breathing space before I broke his fuckin' nose... the prick.[/B]
People like that crack me up because they seem to think 'anime' is some kind of exotic foreign word , instead of what it is: just the japanese abbreviation of the english word 'animation'. Animation is animation. What the hell do they think a Disney movie is refered to as in Japan?
 

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It's tough man...I loved anime to death, from Robotech on...

I have to wonder how many kids now consider themselves 'hardcore' anime folk when all they do is watch Toonami and have never even seen Akira. :crying:
 

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I'll have to agree what Mercenary said becuse that's how i feel. With today anime fans these younger fans these days act like know it alls when comes to anime they see it as some thing trendy. Wich for the most part piss me of some times. Given the fact they didn't have a hand promoteing japanese animation in the frist place. I guess that's why i've started to cut back on buying japanese animation. :oh_no:
 

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Mercenary X99 said:
These are the assholes who refuse to watch Japanimation English Subbed and actually THINK that dubbing is good.

:oh_no:
Dont get me started on the whole sub/dub debate and how people somehow think that watching anime in Japanese (which most of them cant understand a word of) makes them 'hardcore' or 'purist'.
If you like your anime subbed then thats fine by me, but dont go looking down on me just because I watch my anime dubbed.
Dubs have come a long way in the past 6 years.......


Anyway, moving on from that, I read an interesting fact which was bought up at an anime convention last year.
Apparently the US anime DVD market is larger than the Japanese market. Which means there are more anime DVD's sold in the US than in Japan - wierd huh?
Apparently the overall revenue in each market is about the same, due to the much higher price of DVD's in Japan, but its still pretty amazing.
 

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Dont get me started on the whole sub/dub debate and how people somehow think that watching anime in Japanese (which most of them cant understand a word of) makes them 'hardcore' or 'purist'.
If you like your anime subbed then thats fine by me, but dont go looking down on me just because I watch my anime dubbed.
Dubs have come a long way in the past 6 years.......


Anyway, moving on from that, I read an interesting fact which was bought up at an anime convention last year.
Apparently the US anime DVD market is larger than the Japanese market. Which means there are more anime DVD's sold in the US than in Japan - wierd huh?
Apparently the overall revenue in each market is about the same, due to the much higher price of DVD's in Japan, but its still pretty amazing.

Hey man to each their own on the SUB/DUB thing, but you have to understand that some of us who are more or less the fading light of another era of Japanimation {the 80-mid 90's, I came into it about '89 but really kick started it in '91 even helping Animeigo as an outbound rep w. persmission by then Pres Janice Hindle for BGC, Maddox01, Riding Bean} we had to fight for everything we bought/had. It was a time when the term ANIME was already there but more often than not it was called JAPANIMATION not to be slandering but because it was a combonation of the word "Japan" and "Animation". Back then mostly what was to be had was either English Subbed via the Fans or the few companies doing it professionaly... or of course in Japanese without Subs.

...but that's the thing man. *It forced someone who wanted to watch quality animation to either bite the bullet and watch something in a foreign language {which after awhile became "cool" since hearing your own native tongue was boring} that added the mystique to it's already foreign origin. From there people were more likely to dive into the culture itself, which a lot of of us did. Literally from 91-96 we {the Japanimation fans} got to see the change in distribution policy. It went from a "Cult" market of rabid fans to the foundations of present day TOONAMI Rush Jobbed Dubbing and the presentation to the masses where suddenly Japanimation was now the cool thing to do and be seen watching. Shows me and thousands of others clamored for were being put on the market but at the expense of us having to see more dubbed crap hit the market place... not to mention end up always cheaper than the Subbed stuff. Sure with the advent of DVD, fans can have it both ways, but that says little about people truly getting into something for it's cultural difference.

I admit the Dubbing isn't as atrocious as the 70's or 80's dubs, and at least they keep the names the same where a Yoshiro isn't changed to "Johnny" something or other, but the voice ppl will never {rarely anyhow} be able to match the fever pitch or emotion of the Japanese voice cast. Maybe it doesn't piss you off, but it did me. When I was promoting Japanimation from 91-95 literally from 8th grade til my Junior year in Seinor Highschool most were like: "Man we don't need those stupid CHINESE cartoons!" ...and that was seeing the adultness of BGC, Wicked City, Riding Bean, M.D. Geist, Area 88 etcetera... but now those same lame asses are the ones who have entire houses filled with wall scrolls, 1300 DVDs and claim to have always "Been Down With" the movement. YEAH RIGHT! :annoyed: This is the same story with Hong Kong flicks. When people like me tried to get others into it we got slammed, accused of being in "The Nerd Herd" and all kinds of shit... funny how a decade + 3 years later it's suddenly COOL and the people who scoffed at it are worst in their enthusiasm than I ever was in my main Otaku days from 91-96. So while you may prefer DUBBED and have the right to, please understand that for a lot of us, it's a double edged sword when it comes to Anime/Japanimation. *One one hand we're greatfull it's so pleantiful and that it's getting the respect it deserves. On the other, we're a bit ticked off that it's lost the "Mystique" it once held due to every upstart company trying to be JOE FUCKIN' COOL with their latest licenses and then every bitch ass kid suddenly speaks broken Japanese everywhere. The pukes today coming up will never have to endure hanging out with some truly unsavory people {usually fans at the time were body odor smelling late 20 somethings to early 30s who had the VHS tapes and imported goods} at a Japanimation Meeting at some Apartment Complex Community Room... never had to just accept the subs in order to watch good animation. And for that, all the titles in the world just don't have the luster they once did. It's all washed out and bullshit now. There's no heart in it at all. I understand that it's a commodity like anything else, but when you more or less rode in with the pioneers it's hard to be "With" the masses who never once got slammed for it.

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For me the love of anime and import games comes from what we grew up playing and watching. I mean when I was a little kid I watched Transformers, Thundercats, Voltron, Robotech ect. and the older video games were obviously not american. Here in the states the idea of an adult oriented cartoon sounds ridiculous to most people. If you look at the movies disney puts out they have been using the same or very similar plots on every movie they've made since the 40s not to mention most are also musicals directly marketed to kids 4-12 years old.( anime also has similar trappings with plot )
And with anime its not that its foreign its that the characters, action and animation are all very impressive and highly stylized. Would you rather watch Tetsuo smash tanks with his mind or Aladdin sing?
With video games I get imports because either they were not released in this country or I dont want to wait 1 year for it to be translated.

Its the same way with hong kong cinema people are attracted to a specific style and type of action not that its chinese.

Anime has indeed become trendy. I was in best buy about a month ago and I was wearing an Appleseed shirt and the guy at the checkout asks me if I like anime I say sure but I like comics more and he says you mean MAN-GA. I was like do you even know what series this is? stupid fuck. Im sure the guy knew every piece of crap put out by tokyo pop or showed on toonami but he cant even tell me who Masamune Shiriow is.
 

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I remember those days of old, when the only place you could buy anime was through the Animeigo catologue. I remember how Carl Macek and Streamline Video produced the worst dubbed movies ever made, and how I purchased them anyway because there was no one else to buy from. I agree, the mainstream popularity has really changed the way I view the art form. However, now I see that hollywood has picked up on some themes that previously only anime dealt with. Take a look at Will Smith's new movie "I, Robot", and you'll really be looking at "Ghost in the Shell" and "Armitage the Third". While going mainstream has its downfalls, I appreciate the fact that anime has some influence in Hollywood's large scale productions.

The article mentioned something I found very interesting....the Japanese' use of female characters as the protaganist in their stories. In looking at the SNK & Capcom series of games (KOF, AOF, SS, SF) I see that the female character are by far the most unique. For me, in the 80's, walking up to a Street Fighter 2 machine to challenge some guy using KEN or RYU, with Chun-li gave me the underdog position....a position from which I identified much more with than playing with the main heroes of the game. Then came Mai, then Yuri & Athena, all unique characters that made me adore the games.

The UT professor also mentions that most anime characters are usually without race or ethnicity.....at least not identifiable by the way they are drawn. Most SNK characters have a story that clearly states where they are from, but to someone who's just playing the game, the characters could be from any country. It really is one of the the great things about anime and video games....its all about watchng a story or playing a game without underlying themes of racism, patriotism, or gender discrimination. I'll be the first to admit, if I'm watching anime and I see a female character kick the shi# out of 5 male characters I believe its possible. If I were to see the same thing in a live action hollywood movie, I'd have my doubts.

I think anime has been a great escape for most of us, and its influence on video games is why we like the SNK characters so much. The article provided additional insight that I can appreciate. Thanks to those of you that responded.
 

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I just got 2 things to pick out of your post, I either agree with, or at least see where you're coming from with regards to the rest of what you said.

Mercenary X99 said:
I admit the Dubbing isn't as atrocious as the 70's or 80's dubs, and at least they keep the names the same where a Yoshiro isn't changed to "Johnny" something or other, but the voice ppl will never {rarely anyhow} be able to match the fever pitch or emotion of the Japanese voice cast.
The problem with comparing english dialogue to Japanese is that, unless you are fluent in both languages you arn't in any position to comment.
Sure, people will say "but anyone can tell when the character is happy/sad/whatever" but there are a whole load of subtelties that seperate a good performance from a bad one - most of which will be lost on anyone who does not speak the language.
Basically If you dont speak Japanese then you only have the benefit of ignorance - you dont know if the acting is bad or not. With an english dub you can at least say with more autority wether its actually bad or not.

A couple friends of mine are learning Japanese as their degree, both have been to Japan and watched their fair share of anime (they did other stuff too - duh) and both tell me that a lot of it is dreadfully acted.
That dosent mean all of its bad, but it does mean that you cant just assume that Japanese dialogue = good.

Generally speaking, any dub that comes out of Bang Zoom, Animaze or IS&M (Part of ADV) will be just as good as the Japanese track -at least to my untrained ears.

and then every bitch ass kid suddenly speaks broken Japanese everywhere.
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Yea, this pisses me off too. I mean, I dont speak Japanese and I'm not from Japan, and I'm not speaking to Japanese people - so why the hell should I start using random words like 'chan' or 'Kwai'.
Its insulting to the language and anyone who is actually trying to learn it properly.
 

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toy_brain said:
Dont get me started on the whole sub/dub debate and how people somehow think that watching anime in Japanese (which most of them cant understand a word of) makes them 'hardcore' or 'purist'.
If you like your anime subbed then thats fine by me, but dont go looking down on me just because I watch my anime dubbed.
Dubs have come a long way in the past 6 years.......

Agreed. I have been a member of the "anime community" for quite some time now and I have always been looked down upon by wannabe-expert otakus for preferring good dubs over good subs. Many argue that dubbing interferes with the "original state of the art form" and that how it was originally created is how it should be seen, yet there's just something wrong with having to constantly shift one's eyes to the bottom of the screen while one should really be concentrating on everything that's occuring in-scene (considering that anime is largely a visual medium). Good dub over good sub any day.
 

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Tron 2.0 said:
I'll have to agree what Mercenary said becuse that's how i feel. With today anime fans these younger fans these days act like know it alls when comes to anime they see it as some thing trendy. Wich for the most part piss me of some times. Given the fact they didn't have a hand promoteing japanese animation in the frist place. I guess that's why i've started to cut back on buying japanese animation. :oh_no:
OMG!

Seriously, we get nerds through here, but that's a new standard.
 
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