EL pinouts

harani

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I have a JAMMA cab converted to NEO GEO with a six slot board in it.

i want to make a perspex mini marquee holder and have superbright LEDs light up the Marquee of whichever game in playing.

Are there output pins direct from the socket on the MVS board I can use without having the intervening EL board that comes with the real MVS cabs ?

thanks in advance for your help

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J0e Musashi

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Hey harani. The MVS board has EL pins near to the LED pins. The EL is 7-pin and should be labelled as such on the board. I was looking into a similar setup but found that you need the MV-ELA chip to control the lights. I'm sure that you could wire the MV-ELA to some non-official SNK light panels but you will need to ELA chip to control it all.
 

harani

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Any idea what comes out of this7 pin socket ?

7 pin immedeatly makes me think 6 signal pins and a common perhaps firing transitors or relays to switch a board that takes a higher voltage from the power supply and switches it to the light panel.

i'm just talking about running a few low powered LED's off it so maybe it can be done without the EL board ?

anyone got a pinout of this socket ?
 

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Its some kind of custom socket, I'm not sure of the pinout, don't think anyone is. The ELA chip controls which light comes on and when. I tried to hardwire some light to that socket and nothing happened, you will need the ELA chip whatever you decide to do.
 

harani

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not if the ELA chip is merely a voltage amplifier to switch high voltage lamps on the EL board.

the socket may be quite capable of running LED's on it's owns without the need for an external board.
 

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harani said:
Any idea what comes out of this7 pin socket ?

7 pin immedeatly makes me think 6 signal pins and a common perhaps firing transitors or relays to switch a board that takes a higher voltage from the power supply and switches it to the light panel.

i'm just talking about running a few low powered LED's off it so maybe it can be done without the EL board ?

anyone got a pinout of this socket ?

Im not sure what inputs the MV-EL board has, seven pins- simply 6 logic and a ground ?? Will have to look into that.
It would be interesting to see if the 4 slots have only 5 connected.

What I do know is that the board has a dc-ac converter/inverter to derive 3.6 kHz at around 100 v pk-pk.(the transformer is part of this circuit) That is what is switched to the lumi panels, in fact I think that each panel is connected to this ac supply and the other end grounded when that panel is selected.

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Of course the inverter/switching circuit requires a supply, I think its off the 5 volts ? Bang goes the 7 pin theory.
 
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ELA Board Info

From stuff I previously posted, and some memories, I think that this is what the logic on the ELA board does. You can find the PDFs for these on my page that I mentioned earlier. This is pretty much in order from when the EIGHT mainboard wires hit the ELA board.

HD74HC14
It evens out the "clock" line. If I recall correctly, there's like a GND, +5, LATCH (or clock), and some input lines. This LATCH line may change from on to off, but we don't want weird things happening while it's changing, so I think I remember that this chip would even it out, so that it's either ON or OFF and nowhere inbetween.

HD74HC174 (latches the input)
When the latch/clock line changes (I don't remember if it goes low to high or high to low) then, it's time to look at what's on the input lines. I'm trying to keep this simple for the non-engineers out there. Immagine if you had a combination lock with 3 numbers and you wanted to learn the combination. You wouldn't watch the owner spin the dials and try to guess which combination was right. You would wait until he opened the latch and then look at what 3-digit number was on the lock at the time he opened the latch. This is the same idea. The mainboard sets up the important lines and once it's all set up, it sends a latch signal saying "read the lines now." That's what the HD74HC174 does.

HD74LS138 (decodes the inputs)
This takes 3 lines of input and turns it into 8 lines of output. The idea is that with 3 bits of input, we can count up to 7 in binary. 000-111 If you input 000, then it will turn on output #0 and turn off outputs 1-7. If you input 010 (2) then output #2 would turn on and all the other outputs would turn off. Well, you might be thinking that we only have 6 luminescent panels. So, what? The mainboard just counts from 000 to 101 (5) and never counts past 5, and we ignore outputs 6 and 7.

SN74LS368an
All I remember is that this chip was there to sink current. I'm no electrical engineer, but I guess that the other chips would possibly burn out if they were used by the converter/inverter circuitry.

So, this does not account for all the inputs. I don't recall offhand, but maybe some are unused, or maybe there are some additional voltages that the board supplies.
 

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Thread, rise from your grave.


Rather than start a new thread, I figured this one would be a good point to jump from...

I've got a Neo-Geo mini that I'm shoe-horning a 6slot into. I'd like to build a custom marquee that shows the selected game... has anyone done that since the above post was made? Do I need a MV-ELA or can I pull directly from the board?
 

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Thread, rise from your grave.


Rather than start a new thread, I figured this one would be a good point to jump from...

I've got a Neo-Geo mini that I'm shoe-horning a 6slot into. I'd like to build a custom marquee that shows the selected game... has anyone done that since the above post was made? Do I need a MV-ELA or can I pull directly from the board?

I'd say that depends on how good you are. You shouldn't need the board if you can make a fairly simple circuit yourself. It's been quite some time since I worked on my project, but I don't recall it being too difficult (if you're electronically inclined).

Did you read this stuff?
http://www.personal.triticom.com/~erm/Arcade/NeoGeoUprightPics/LEDInstall/
 

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Aye, that's a great start, thanks. Surprised there haven't been more folks making their own custom marquees.

I think the easiest route will be getting ahold of an MV-ELA and wiring out from there, similar to what you did.
 
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