Iran's war on Iraq, courtesy of its agent, USA

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224075,00.html

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Interesting if true, even in part. It would demonstrate a massive leap of faith by the current American government and would show it had been so eager to believe what it wanted, at an almost Galfordian level, that it's leadership would have to consider its position.

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US intelligence fears Iran duped hawks into Iraq war

· Inquiry into Tehran's role in starting conflict
· Top Pentagon ally Chalabi accused

Julian Borger in Washington
Tuesday May 25, 2004
The Guardian

An urgent investigation has been launched in Washington into whether Iran played a role in manipulating the US into the Iraq war by passing on bogus intelligence through Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, it emerged yesterday.

Some intelligence officials now believe that Iran used the hawks in the Pentagon and the White House to get rid of a hostile neighbour, and pave the way for a Shia-ruled Iraq.

According to a US intelligence official, the CIA has hard evidence that Mr Chalabi and his intelligence chief, Aras Karim Habib, passed US secrets to Tehran, and that Mr Habib has been a paid Iranian agent for several years, involved in passing intelligence in both directions.

The CIA has asked the FBI to investigate Mr Chalabi's contacts in the Pentagon to discover how the INC acquired sensitive information that ended up in Iranian hands.

The implications are far-reaching. Mr Chalabi and Mr Habib were the channels for much of the intelligence on Iraqi weapons on which Washington built its case for war.

"It's pretty clear that Iranians had us for breakfast, lunch and dinner," said an intelligence source in Washington yesterday. "Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the US for several years through Chalabi."
Larry Johnson, a former senior counter-terrorist official at the state department, said: "When the story ultimately comes out we'll see that Iran has run one of the most masterful intelligence operations in history. They persuaded the US and Britain to dispose of its greatest enemy."

Mr Chalabi has vehemently rejected the allegations as "a lie, a fib and silly". He accused the CIA director, George Tenet, of a smear campaign against himself and Mr Habib.

However, it is clear that the CIA - at loggerheads with Mr Chalabi for more than eight years - believes it has caught him red-handed, and is sticking to its allegations.

"The suggestion that Chalabi is a victim of a smear campaign is outrageous," a US intelligence official said. "It's utter nonsense. He passed very sensitive and classified information to the Iranians. We have rock solid information that he did that."

"As for Aras Karim [Habib] being a paid agent for Iranian intelligence, we have very good reason to believe that is the case," added the intelligence official, who did not want to be named. He said it was unclear how long this INC-Iranian collaboration had been going on, but pointed out that Mr Chalabi had had overt links with Tehran "for a long period of time".

An intelligence source in Washington said the CIA confirmed its long-held suspicions when it discovered that a piece of information from an electronic communications intercept by the National Security Agency had ended up in Iranian hands. The information was so sensitive that its circulation had been restricted to a handful of officials.

"This was 'sensitive compartmented information' - SCI - and it was tracked right back to the Iranians through Aras Habib," the intelligence source said.
Mr Habib, a Shia Kurd who is being sought by Iraqi police since a raid on INC headquarters last week, has been Mr Chalabi's righthand man for more than a decade. He ran a Pentagon-funded intelligence collection programme in the run-up to the invasion and put US officials in touch with Iraqi defectors who made claims about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.

Those claims helped make the case for war but have since proved groundless, and US intelligence agencies are now scrambling to determine whether false information was passed to the US with Iranian connivance.

INC representatives in Washington did not return calls seeking comment.
But Laurie Mylroie, a US Iraq analyst and one of the INC's most vocal backers in Washington, dismissed the allegations as the product of a grudge among CIA and state department officials driven by a pro-Sunni, anti-Shia bias.

She said that after the CIA raised questions about Mr Habib's Iranian links, the Pentagon's Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) conducted a lie-detector test on him in 2002, which he passed with "flying colours".

The DIA is also reported to have launched its own inquiry into the INC-Iran link.
An intelligence source in Washington said the FBI investigation into the affair would begin with Mr Chalabi's "handlers" in the Pentagon, who include William Luti, the former head of the office of special plans, and his immediate superior, Douglas Feith, the under secretary of defence for policy.

There is no evidence that they were the source of the leaks. Other INC supporters at the Pentagon may have given away classified information in an attempt to give Mr Chalabi an advantage in the struggle for power surrounding the transfer of sovereignty to an Iraqi government on June 30.

The CIA allegations bring to a head a dispute between the CIA and the Pentagon officials instrumental in promoting Mr Chalabi and his intelligence in the run-up to the war. By calling for an FBI counter-intelligence investigation, the CIA is, in effect, threatening to disgrace senior neo-conservatives in the Pentagon.
"This is people who opposed the war with long knives drawn for people who supported the war," Ms Mylroie said.
 

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Nothing about the whole the IRAQI situation ever surprises me anymore, but that was an interesting read none the less.

MERCENARY X99
 

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So we got manipulated into overthrowing an evil dictator .... I guess know another question must be asked, namely, "who gives a fuck?"

Kudos to Iran for speeding along this shitbag's demise.
 
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galfordo said:
So we got manipulated into overthrowing an evil dictator, landing ourselves in an expensive war, skyrocketing gas prices, and feeding Al Qaeda .... I guess know another question must be asked, namely, "who gives a fuck?"

Kudos to Iran for speeding along this shitbag's demise.

If you don't give a fuck about world affairs, save your hands the carpal tunnel.
 

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jethrek said:
If you don't give a fuck about world affairs, save your hands the carpal tunnel.

What are you talking about? If you're so passionate about world affairs, why don't you spend some more time on the cnn forums or something.
 
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galfordo said:
What are you talking about? If you're so passionate about world affairs, why don't you spend some more time on the cnn forums or something.

:rolleyes:

I'm glad you got +2 fromt his topic.
 

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galfordo said:
So we got manipulated into overthrowing an evil dictator .... I guess know another question must be asked, namely, "who gives a fuck?"

Kudos to Iran for speeding along this shitbag's demise.

Umm the article tells you why we should give a fuck.... Did you read it? I mean maybe you still don't give a fuck, but you act like it wasn't even addressed.
 

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yeah, I understand that it tells me why it thinks I should give a fuck, but I still say that the result is worth the effort.
 

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ashton.photo4.jpg


Someone call Ashton...


...my country got punk'd.
 

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BoriquaSNK said:
ashton.photo4.jpg


Someone call Ashton...


...my country got punk'd.

Oh man, I just saw a movie with that guy as the lead. I never before realized he was such a $hyte actor. He doesn't make me nearly as horny anymore .... :tickled:
 

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well i think this half a sentence speaks volumes :However, it is clear that the CIA - at loggerheads with Mr Chalabi for more than eight years -....

CIA tries to save it's onw ass and takes an old foe down in the course.
Besides It was long before the war thatr belgium Newspapers reported that Mr Chalabi was hugely unreliable
 

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Sounds to me like the Bush Administration trying to find others to blame for the war than themselves.
 

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Heh, it sort of fits with their raid on his HQ. However, regardless of whether Mr. Chalabi was used by Iran (if he was, I think his own self-inflated ego blinded him to it), the fact is he helped dupe the US into invading Iraq. He's the one who, although exiled for years, told us that "word on the street is that you'll all be welcomed with open arms and no one will be all the pissed off".

All of Chalabi's predictions were at best rosy, at worst obviously inflated. I don't blame him -he's just trying to get into power. Who I blame is our supposed "intellegence" and Executive office believing this guy (or at least using him as an excuse to settle their own personal issues with Saddam).

It kind of reminds me of "Tailor of Panama" (great movie).
 
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Temjin said:
Sounds to me like the Bush Administration trying to find others to blame for the war than themselves.

The administration can't let its own officials tke too many more falls or it'll fall apart.
 

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The only thing really worth noting here was the term

"Galfordian"

which took me a second.

But I think I'll start trying to make this word popular

kind of like Funster...
 
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