Gundam F91, Initial Impressions...

zer0hue

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[Note: I will attempt to keep spoilers to a bare minimum.]

I just finished watching Gundam F91. For those of you who don’t know what Gundam is, do me a favor... stick your ball sack in a blender and hit “puree” because you do not deserve to spawn. If Gundam just isn’t your thing or you haven’t watched much of the series’ you might want to start with something other than F91, but fans of the Universal Century timeline won’t (I should say shouldn’t) be disappointed.

To answer everyone’s question, “No. F91 hasn’t been released commercially stateside.” If you’re interested in watching, I suggest a few reputable *coughs* retailers [read: bootleggers]. On the other hand, if you’re a cheap bastard or just impatient, I’m sure Mr. Overnet might assist you in your acquisition.

But enough introduction...

To begin, F91 carries on in the lineage of the Universal Century timeline, but its style is more of a departure than one might be accustomed to. To begin, the film was made in the years directly following the enormous success of Akira, to which the film owes a great deal in terms of aesthetic. Whereas most Gundam sagas are comprised of precise technical drawings and speckled with rigid, lifeless animation, F91 brims with motion and life. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the opening sequence as the Crossbone Vanguards invade the colony Frontier 4. Never has the chaos and terrible humanity of war been so explicitly captured within the context of the Gundam Universe. While most Gundam battles are seen from the sterile, mechanical vacuum of a mobile suit cockpit, F91 portrays the violence and bloodshed of combat from the vantage of the innocent and the terrified.

There are some minor scenes in the very beginning that are especially worthy of merit. In one instance, the expired shell casing of mobile suit weapon hits a woman on the head, killing her instantly. Where else have you seen this level of tragic, even awkward, realism in the Gundam saga? Also, after a group of kids hijack a disheveled guntank, they run into a squad of Federation soldiers whose first thought is to use them as human shields. And while the scene comes across as mildly comical, I think it says something rather profound about the affect that war has over the rational mind.

From there, the story follows the young, renegade kids as they join a Federation training vessel and are recruited as expendable soldiers (remind you of anything...?). The main character, Seabook Arno, (complete with quasi-Engrish name and teenage angst galore) fits comfortably into the Amuro Ray archetype. And while I’ve never been much of a fan of this tired character mold, at least this incarnation comes off better than others... *coughs* Kou Uraki *coughs*... His friend/enemy/love-interest, Cecily Fairchild, is the typical porcelain, mindless anime beauty you’d want to smack if you had the chance. Even so, all the main characters do have their redeeming moments. The villain is dastardly and mysterious. His boss is a dark philosopher, drunk with power. Everyone fulfills their role, standard as it is, as best as could be expected.

My only complaint in regards to characters is that the film, like many in the Gundam canon, is guilty of introducing too many supporting characters, most of whom get killed or are just ignored completely. Since F91 was originally intended to be a full-run series (usually 52 episodes), I can understand why this happened, but it doesn’t really excuse it. Certain characters didn’t need to be there and their presence, though brief, detracted from the overall narrative.

The plot itself is typical. A radical colony faction wants to fuck with the Federation. Their leader is charismatic yet wantonly fascist. Divine right and all that garbage. And, of course, people spout philosophical rhetoric in the middle of battle, incessantly. Still, while the practice is its own convention, I did manage to catch a few genuine moments of insight from the buckshot of rambling philosophy...

Meitzer Ronah, speaking after the Federation fires upon civilian targets to defeat the Crossbone Vanguard: “[Then] the Federation does this. It's a true depiction of an army under an absolute democracy. Without justice, they just follow other's opinions when they see change before them.”

And at the risk of sounding unbelievably pretentious, it makes you wonder about the wars being fought today under the banner of democracy.

I even thought some of the shoddier plot devices had a rather compelling subtext to them. And while I couldn’t help but feel that the “bugs” were a little juvenile in concept, the manner in which they were presented was rather fascinating. The way people would say “Such little things. How could I die to such little things?” stuck a nerve. I think the idea they were attempting to convey was that the machines of war diminish the humanity of death. Endowing a machine to kill of its own volition cheapens the value of a human life. Those who will not risk their own life have no right to take it from others [see: Gundam Wing for further exploration of this].

The final act of the film weaves the tattered ends of the narrative together. Not all of them, [What the fuck happened to Cecily’s mother?!?], but enough to give you the impression that you’ve witnessed a coherent story. What’s unique about the conclusion to F91 is the manner in which it departs from the very philosophical themes of “individual liberty vs. divine right,” central to the Gundam universe, to more practical themes of love and optimism (ala Macross). Some might find this much to their dismay, but I thought it rather refreshing and synched well with the new feel the creators of F91 were striving for. In essence, at least they were consistent in their endeavor to be unique.

The music was a mixed bag. For one, I will never understand the Japanese’ fixation on sappy pop idol ballads and their desire to saturate every article of their culture with them. Fine, you have terrible taste in music. However, that doesn’t give you the right to have a big, flaming J-Pop orgasm in the middle of every fucking Gundam movie. I’m not going to say it the ruined the film or anything, but... Another curious oddity of the soundtrack were all the curious musical homages to The Empire Strikes Back. I’m not saying they’re blatantly stolen, but if John Williams had any clue what the fuck anime was, their ass would be hearing from the nearest Lucasfilm legal representative mighty quick (there’s one stationed on every city block, last I heard).

Finally, the geek stuff... All in all, the new mecha were superb. The designs had a distinctly Arthurian feel that meshed well with the monarchial aspirations of the Crossbone Vanguard. The Federation mecha designs were as aesthetically inconsistent as always [They’re still using Jegans in 0123?!?], but they sure looked all new and spiffy. Of course the centerpiece was the new F91 Gundam, which was actually quite impressive. Not to radical or conventional, it struck a good balance of design and functionality... though I still have no idea what the whole “mouth” thing was about. The battles (and there were a lot of them) were as exciting as anything in Char’s Counterattack or Stardust Memory but, as stated earlier, were more realistic and less flog-fodder for mecha fanboys.

All in all, despite its flaws, F91 is a worthy addition to the Universal Century timeline. Though sparse in regards to certain plot elements, the film more than makes up for this fact with a unique aesthetic, fantastic new mecha, and an odd realism all its own. Bandai has even hinted at an American theatrical release [Yeah, right after they release Zeta Gundam...], so if F91 shows up at your favorite crazy indie theater, you owe it to yourself to at least check it out...
 
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe F91 is due out this year or next via Bandai, if anyone wants to wait for a legit release. I have been known to be wrong at times, however.
 

shir0

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Wow, another drama filled bore fest.

:oh_no:

Currently, I'm watching Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex -
which kicks the shit out of Gundam. :mr_t:

Later

shir0

P.S. The only Gundam I ever "kind of" liked was A Turn Gundam...the
rest suck balls.
 

zer0hue

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shir0 said:
Wow, another drama filled bore fest.
I hope you’re referring to the film and not my post... :tickled:

*shakes fist*


shir0 said:
P.S. The only Gundam I ever "kind of" liked was A Turn Gundam...the
rest suck balls.
Irrefutable proof that your mother should have had an abortion...
 

Mike Shagohod

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Great breakdown Zer0hue!

---I'd have to say that GUNDAM F-91 was one of my better experience within the MS GUNDAM {U.C. Calander} franchise as well. I personally liked the "Crossbone Vanguard" better than anything else in it though. Though I still prefer 0083: Stardust Memory and it's depections over all of the GUNDAM stuff in terms of how it was carried out and the Animation quality, and did not see Kou Uraki as a problem. In fact there were times I liked Uraki's character over Amuro Rei, though the darkest of the GUNDAM universe {at least IMO} was Zeta GUNDAM which of course made it possible for F-91 to be as dark at it was. In that sense the way the original 0079 books {3 of them} written by creator Yoshiyuki Tomino and published in the early 90's in English, showed that the original story was fuckin' dark as Hell. Amuro Rei {different spelling} and Sha {Char} were outlandishly fucked up, and even an entire plot twist was missing with the character of Kusko Ai at the Flannigan Agency that ZEON had set up for the "New Types" to be further produced as weapons against the Federation. Thus when I see GUNDAM F-91 I'm reminded of just how dark most of the series really was, but also remember that a lot of what happend could only be because the novelization of the "One Year War" in 0079 didn't happen, even though it wasn't a "Gaiden" or a fan fiction product. Amuro's destiny was tied in with LaLa Sun.

To me Seabrook Arno wasn't the best of the characters, though I did love the scope that F-91 portrayed, and the F-91 GUNDAM itself was bitchin' indeed. As for the "other" GUNDAM series... well I'd take Turn A Gundam over the regurgitated horesehit that was GUNDAM Wing.

MERCENARY X99 :cool:
 

zer0hue

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Mercenary X99 said:
Great breakdown Zer0hue!
Thanks for the complement. The fact that it was given by the man notorious for the novella-sized posts makes it all the better...

It’s funny... I just got back into Gundam (into anime, in fact) from something of a 2 year long respite. There’s a few series [read: 0079] that I should really go back and re-watch. I feel quite idiotic, getting Kou Uraki (who was a rather good character) confused with Shiro Amada (who was a whiney bitch who got on my nerves). Maybe if the Tomino and his crew made their angsty protagonists different from each other, I might remember how to tell them apart!!!

I find it odd how much the “hard-core” enjoy talking down Gundam Wing. Now perhaps this is all through the misty veil of nostalgia, but I remember Gundam Wing (from its days on Toonami’s Midnight Run) to be thoroughly engaging. Sure, it didn’t have the realism of the UC mecha designs and the pilots could get a bit annoying at times, but when you sit down and become engrossed in the story all the elements really grow on you. Not only that, but it’s my humble opinion that Wing has the most thought-provoking philosophy of all the series and the give-and-take between the different military/political factions (later on in the series) is simply riveting. Maybe my memory deceives me, but, of course, it wasn’t all that long ago...

I’ll be honest, I’ve never sat down and watched a full episode of Turn-A-Gundam. That being said, what I have seen (of both the series and the God-awful mecha designs) convinced me that never has a more insipid, convoluted work of garbage been made in the Gundam name. The mecha designs are simply terrible, worse than G-Gundam (if such a thing were possible). All I could think of while I was watching this show was “The genius (Syd Mead) who designed Blade Runner... did this?!?” Maybe someday I'll sit down and really watch this series, Clockwork Orange style...
 

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Yeah, GUNDAM WING was Very dark indeed, my problem with it though had more to do with Sunrise fucking around with mish mashing all of what made the originals great, and implanting it into an "alternate version" and of course using the GUNDAM name. *While it could be argued that GUNDAM has always been about the promotion of gimmicky cool looking mecha... The WING series just went out the window with it. The fact that Anavel Gato jacked the RX-78GP02 "Nuke" Unit and it was GUNDAM vs. GUNDAM was a great idea and it was portrayed in as realistic a manner as can be done for Japanimation space opera... GUNDAM WING however, it took the "Cool" idea and ruined it IMO. It became almost as gimmicky as the Fighter Gundam {or whatever it's called where Gundams represent nations and ppl duke it out ala the movie ROBOJOX} with it's various versions of Gundam units with it's "speciality" weapons. ---In all honesty a lot of the mecha used {like the TALL GEESE and some of the mobile armors} were bad ass on their own... a few new non-Gundam looking mecha, and without butt fucking the whole Sha/Char Aznable thing and with a different title not claiming anything GUNDAM, and it would have been able to stand on it's on feet.

Instead, they went the Japanimation route with the Final Fantasy franchise... being that by product regonition they had assured sales and a great fanbase. Had they just gone with something original they feared it wouldn't have worked. ---Then there's the whole Bi-Shojo look. *I know it was done to make the male characters more appealing to female viewers, but damn it. Even 8th Mobile Suit Team didn't look as Gay assed as WING. Gone were the gritty looking characters I actually gave a fuck about, instead it was like the animated versions of Paul Walker, Ben Affleck, and a few other T-Shirts supposedly being the bad asses they are? ---It's times like this when I re-analyze the whole GUNDAM WING thing that I wonder why Sunrise just doesn't revitalize the lesser known {though cult popular} A.T. VOTOMS franchise. But that show specifically went for a quasi STAR WARS meets Blade Runner meets 1984 with "Ugly" mecha over the flashier stuff, and thus most scoff at it. I'm glad someone liked WING, but most I know who came up struggling just to get a badly subbed and sometimes non-translated 3rd gen VHS tape of a GUNDAM series hated WING.

MERCENARY X99
 

shir0

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Ha.

Maybe so, but either way - Gundam still sucks cawk, and the drama-filled
borefest was refering to every Gundam series, whether it be film or animation.

Yay, let's watch people talk for 90% of the series.

Later

shir0
 

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yeah im waiting for a legit version of F91. btw, anyone here watching seed on cartoon network? the dubs sound good. right now, im watching gundam X via fansubs.
 

zer0hue

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El_Duque said:
btw, anyone here watching seed on cartoon network?
If I’m going to watch a rip-off of a great Gundam series, I’m not going to watch a rip-off of a rip-off...
 

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i used to be a huge gundam fan. and i have to say that F-91 is my second favorite part of the UC timeline. my favorite has to be 08th MS team. that series is my absolute favorite gunam series. the soundtrack, the lovestory in space, the way shiro rips the arm off of his own mobile suit to beat the tar out of the Dom that is attacking him. the GM-snipers, the jungle battles, the massive zaku space ship thing. i love 08th MS team.
 

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Kim _Kaphwan said:
i used to be a huge gundam fan. and i have to say that F-91 is my second favorite part of the UC timeline. my favorite has to be 08th MS team. that series is my absolute favorite gunam series. the soundtrack, the lovestory in space, the way shiro rips the arm off of his own mobile suit to beat the tar out of the Dom that is attacking him. the GM-snipers, the jungle battles, the massive zaku space ship thing. i love 08th MS team.

Yep 8th MS Team is one of the better ones. Looking further above to someone elses' post however, I can't help but shake my head about the GUNDAM stuff being a bore fest. Part of what makes the whole franchise all the more "Gritty" {well when it's not being campy anyhow} is the fact it's about two sides of the Human race who want entirely different things for their futures, and do not wish to answer to some Earth based council. Thus it being political is what makes at least the U.C. Calander stuff all the more cool.

MERCENARY X99 :smirk:
 

EMAGDNIM

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Quick n00b question. Is the Gundam F-91 a series or just one movie??? I had seen it on ebay but its just one DVD (which is a stupid boot)
 

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zer0hue said:
If I’m going to watch a rip-off of a great Gundam series, I’m not going to watch a rip-off of a rip-off...

well seed is a whole new begining. it is the UC of this generation for a whole new breed of gundam fans.
 

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well seed is a whole new begining. it is the UC of this generation for a whole new breed of gundam fans.

Yup. Whole new breed of gundam fans....those poor kids that have been made to watch SD Gundam.
 

El_Duque

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KagerouSama said:
Yup. Whole new breed of gundam fans....those poor kids that have been made to watch SD Gundam.

yeah i hated that show. why the hell did they give that gundam a mouth?
 
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