Video Game Vent: What the fuck is up with these combo videos?

Youkai

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When people do combo videos for games like CvS2, Chaos, 3rd Strike, how can they defy the game engine's laws by making the combos look like Marvel vs Capcom 2? Let's say you do several light punches and the hard part is doing the crazy joystick motions and try to beat the hit counter before it disappears because the light attacks normally push yourself away from your opponent bit by bit.

Right now it's sorta hard to explain.
 

Kazuki Dash

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if you mean how in the heck can they pull off all that crazy, intense stuff...well I guess that's part of the beauty of these vids, the fact that someone was able to push past the intended limits of a given game and do something insane...

kinda like the videogame version of all those And1 basketball videos...
:D
 

Youkai

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Yeah something to that extent. I can do Ken's CvS2 C Groove combos though.
 
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Baseley09

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Youkai said:
When people do combo videos for games like CvS2, Chaos, 3rd Strike, how can they defy the game engine's laws by making the combos look like Marvel vs Capcom 2? Let's say you do several light punches and the hard part is doing the crazy joystick motions and try to beat the hit counter before it disappears because the light attacks normally push yourself away from your opponent bit by bit.

Right now it's sorta hard to explain.

Great.

What's the invasion pic in your sig from? Macross?
 

Kazuki Dash

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s'ok...and it might be kinda cool/funny if someone could shoot a crazy combo vid and then the reactions of people who see the stuff being pulled off...

imagine watching a crowd of people going "Oh snap! My boy just pulled a 100% on his fool ass!"
:tickled:
 

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Kazuki Dash said:
imagine watching a crowd of people going "Oh snap! My boy just pulled a 100% on his fool ass!"
:tickled:


You got served.
 

RAINBOW PONY

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it's called "SKILLZ"

i admit i have tried some of the hard ass ones and can't get them, but they are possible, they just take lots of practice.
 

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are any of them possible in normal 2 player competitive gameplay?

probably, but you'll seldom see it happen because human opponents are unpredictible

they're still fun to watch nonetheless
 

NeoTheranthrope

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DashK said:
it's called "SKILLZ"

i admit i have tried some of the hard ass ones and can't get them, but they are possible, they just take lots of practice.


It's also called "playing on the slowest/fastest speed setting, gamesharked, and playing with a programmable dial-a-combo trick-stick"

I remember a couple of months back one group put out a SvC2 combo vid on Gamecombos.com where there was one Guile combo that was simply not human-doable, not even japanese-human-doable. After much questioning and cajoling on the forum, the makers finally relented and admitted that they had used a programmable trick-stick in order to pull it off. i've also heard a couple of rumors that there are certain gameshark/action-replay codes which can be used to change the move timings in order to pull off combos that are technicly impossible.

I wish they would put a disclamer in the vid on what general situation you can pull off the individual combos, such as: "competition level" (stuff you can actually use in a tourny), "vs lavel" (stuff you can use on your friends), "basic level" (stuff you can use on teh n00bs), "practice level" (stuff you can use on an unmodified practice mode), "1@m3r level" (anything that requires an external device, such as a gameshark or trick-stick, to pull off).

Also, I wish there would be an international moritorum on using @#$%ing linkin park/slipknot(lipsnot)/gangsta-rap-anything in combo vids. There is so much available to use. Use techno, use j-pop, use BGM from other games, or use speed metal (best), but for god's sake don't crap up you combo vid with top-40 garbage.
 

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NeoTheranthrope said:
Also, I wish there would be an international moritorum on using @#$%ing linkin park/slipknot(lipsnot)/gangsta-rap-anything in combo vids. There is so much available to use. Use techno, use j-pop, use BGM from other games, or use speed metal (best), but for god's sake don't crap up you combo vid with top-40 garbage.

lmao yeah, well gaming nerds love hip hop, most of them are whiteboys who think they're some fighting game "gangsta". i watch so many combo vids with top 40 rap shit as the BGM.
 

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Youkai said:
When people do combo videos for games like CvS2, Chaos, 3rd Strike, how can they defy the game engine's laws by making the combos look like Marvel vs Capcom 2? Let's say you do several light punches and the hard part is doing the crazy joystick motions and try to beat the hit counter before it disappears because the light attacks normally push yourself away from your opponent bit by bit.

Right now it's sorta hard to explain.
Its because they forsake basic things like personal hygiene to play the game for hours on end.

When what they REALLY should be doing is playing shmups.
 

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Most combo videos are pointless. The best stuff to watch is high level competition videos. It's in those videos that you find out what's practical, what's damaging, and what will get your ass handed to you if you whiff trying it. I've seen some pretty crazy 2002 BC combos used in actual matches that just blow my mind away, and I know it didn't take the guy 400 tries before he hit 'record' for it to come up on the video. That's what true skill is.
 

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I don't really pay attention to those damn videos because 95% of those combos are impossible to pull off in a real match unless you're playing a stupid game like MVC2 where anything is possible.
 

Youkai

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NeoTheranthrope said:
There is so much available to use. Use techno, use j-pop, use BGM from other games, or use speed metal (best), but for god's sake don't crap up you combo vid with top-40 garbage.

As far as game music goes that's a nice idea. IN fact I forgot to mention I personally know somebody that does some CvS2 stuff that he calls "ghetto". If I can get him to make 2 separate videos, one with nothing but Capcom combos (with NES/SNES Capcom BGMs) and the other SNK combos (with music from Guerilla War on NES, or some Neo Geo action game or shmup.)
 

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Yes, don't expect to use any of that crap in a real match, it's just out there to be fun to watch. On the other hand you can learn more about what is possible in the game. I learned a few things from a KOF video which was done by a member that was posted on this board a few months ago.
 

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As Wes said about the high level matches, hes correct.
I also have a opinion on this subject with a small twist.

I personally learn good max mode combos in 2002 as a 'save my ass' result. I have mixed styles depending on chars. Aggressive rush down Iori, Canceling chang. Etc. I've learned these styles by playing other people over time.

I got like 80%'s with a few chars with max mode, and I take pride in the work it took to learn some of these without "freaking" off the BC.

Never doubt these vids. There are people who are so good they defy all this high level vid shit and piss on it. I wouldnt have thought this until I saw otherwise and I personally improved ten fold.
Remember, these videos may appear insane to the average dude, but this stuff is used, its just really rare. These are high class players who do stuff that make even the snobs say 'wtf?'.

SonGohan,

In 2002, Max Mode combos are essential for high level. Although many matches boil down to poke wars, if you get good enough with max mode, you always have that option, you need this back up in tight situations.. A example would be my Iori max combo's, which I have a 95% probability with if there is no lag or its a match in a cade. I usually put Iori last in this situation so he has fall back stocks. 3/4 stocks will do it for me. Ala sC bc sC hcb C hcb D hcb C hcb D dp C sdm maiden, or maiden to qcf x 4 AC.

Max Mode is useless if you dont mid cancel it on all things. Dont even bother with it against good players if you arent fluid with it in this way. This would be a waste of time because they will immediately expect a HSDM, then they will begin rush down pwnage on you. Its way to risky.

Some examples of good max combos:
Like with Kim, cx jA sC bc sC qcb c x 3 to SDM cancel. Or O yash's sC fwdA BC sC fwdA hcb x 2 AC.

I played matches with my friend Juan last night, hes a excellent third strike player and has improved in KOF over time. We decided for shits we would max out both players dm's.
Difference was that I know how to time max mode combos pretty well because I practiced them ALOT, so he didnt know how.

I land a single fierce and the match is pretty much fucked. (*Especially if you are using Chris on the DC version with his exclusive cancels.) It becomes ruined like that in 2002 when you master the mode. Whilst in 98 you dont have this option and 100%'s are almost improbable because there are so few. Some examples would be the backwards running for it to work *projectile pursuit et al*

There are some athena zoners that are pure evil, so I have no shame using high damaging max combo's. All comes down to knowing what to do and not letting your mind interfere with your performance.

You also cannot have ANY lag when doing these if your online, because some of the mid cancels need perfect timing. You can't bonehead through most of these combos so its much more beneficial to use this with purely normal play. No lag, no jitter, no delay, NOTHING else but perfection for this.

I usually have little problems maintaining a zoning style with slight lag, but when it becomes terrible, theres no chance.
 

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weird rant.

combo vids and match vids are two different animals. they're not even created for the same reason imho.

combo vids are meant to push the game's engine above and beyond what was intended by the game's developers. sure it's slightly less impressive if the creator uses a program pad or tweaks the game engine, but even these vids can be entertaining if you don't take them seriously. it is nice when they don't hide the fact that they needed to make those adjustments for the combo to work, though.

match vids pretty much are self-explanatory. you want to see high-level players in action to see what tricks work in a tournament environment.
 

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DashK said:
lmao yeah, well gaming nerds love hip hop, most of them are whiteboys who think they're some fighting game "gangsta".

Don't you be talkin' 'bouy mah butta!
 

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I on the fence with this issue.

I often time think that someone is using a 'no hit stop' type cheat for many of these combo vids. Much like the unibios has in it's cheat section.

Even if I attempt to replicate the performance, I can't get much of anything to link.

perhaps it's me.
 

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A fair number are obviously dodgy, since the "SUPER" bar or whatever doesn't go down.
 
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