Improving neo geo capabilities!!

Hello guys, I was just looking over a spec sheet, with the spec of the neo geo and the snes.

Guess what? The neo geo kills it in every way. However the neo geo is about 12 years old now, so for how much longer can it be pushed??

I thought to myself what if the neo had custom chips in the carts like the SNES?

Look what the snes could do with the SuperFX chip!!, 3-D graphics. Imagine if a developer used a super-FX like chip to produce 3-D graphics on the neo!
Obviously, they would be nothing special in this day an age, but it would breed new life into this grandady of a machine.

Has anyone else thought of this?
If so, I am sorry but I am new to this scene and hust wondered what you guys thought about this idea?
thanks.

Yawn.

Someone's never heard of Operation Ranagard.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/ng/ragnagard.html

Originally Posted by madone
I thought to myself what if the neo had custom chips in the carts like the SNES?

Look what the snes could do with the SuperFX chip!!, 3-D graphics. Imagine if a developer used a super-FX like chip to produce 3-D graphics on the neo!
Obviously, they would be nothing special in this day an age, but it would breed new life into this grandady of a machine.

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For one, the NeoGeo has always had the Super Fami beaten in the graphics department. For another, it doesn't much matter what you do with the carts anymore now that SNK has taken the move to Sammy's Atmiswave.

How about actually reading posts in the News and Rumors Section. Then you can check out http://www.snkplaymore.co.jp , http://www.snkneogeousa.com , http://www.snkneogeousaconsumer.com , http://www.sammystudios.com/games/ , http://www.sammyeurope.co.uk/coin-op/index.html ,
and for kicks, http://www.classicgaming.com .

And the Neo may be a grandaddy, but in the words of so many other forum members, "It pwns j00! 4fr33, y0!"

chips

I think its an intresting concept.

Originally posted by Freelancer
Yawn.

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Originally posted by KagerouSama
Someone's never heard of Operation Ranagard. ... How about actually reading posts in the News and Rumors?

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What did I tell ya, madone? Apparently, some people here find insurmountable joy in mocking and verbally abusing those with either innocent questions or honest ideas. Their experience is only heightened when the attack falls upon newer members of this site.

Maybe if we ignore them, they'll go away.

Originally posted by a stereotypical member of the Neo-Geo.com community
Whine, whine, complain, complain. Why can't you just figure everything out yourself, stupid n00b? I'm sure this question was answered at some point in time on this Internet site's life; look it up! Bitch, bitch, groan, groan.

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One of the best quotes i've ever heard, and it was by EGM of 1991:

"A system is only as good as the games it plays."

This rule ALWAYS applies.

Yeah, people have thought of this a few times. The thought of the Neo trying 3-d graphics sort of makes me a little nauseous - I really don't think that would work out. Making some kind of custom chips to give the Neo added 2-d graphical capabilities or increased memory capacity might make a decent idea though.

I think its pretty cool that the Neo Geo has really nice 2d.

Wasen't the Sega 32X more advanced?

I wonder...would it be posible to replace certain chips on it with newer ones, like how when upgrade a PC. Given it doesn't load like a CD but maybe the processing could be consolidated. Also: how hard would it be to make the system anti-alias?

there isn't much point neo moving to 3d when there are so many system can do 3 d with ease like saturn psx xbox

it was a good idea for snes.. becase 3d wasn't common back then... it was a winner because they made starfox... which was a kick ass game.... thats why the 3d took off with snes

if neo go 3d... there will be so many magazine gonna take the piss out of it.... for its capabilities etc...

neo should stay 2d... cos it owns on 2d... even some modern system can't match....

we should think of some high tech chip to give us even more memory.... even better 2 d games!!!

MOTW, Terry's stage, third round...

SuperMegaUltra said:

What did I tell ya, madone? Apparently, some people here find insurmountable joy in mocking and verbally abusing those with either innocent questions or honest ideas. Their experience is only heightened when the attack falls upon newer members of this site.

Maybe if we ignore them, they'll go away.

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his chip idea would be great if it would be able to to apply more megs/memory for a game. but its num nuts like your self that give us noobs a bad name.
and the game always comes before the money.

badgers badgers badgers

You Talkin' To Me? You Talkin' To Me!?

Originally posted by dolphinATX
But, it's numb nuts like yourself that give us noobs a bad name.

...and the game always comes before the money.

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Huh? I don't get it.

Are you angry with me because of my opinions on a previous topic? Are you so angry, in fact, that you'd carry it over into a completely unrelated post? If so, wow.

Just in case you're confused, I was sticking up for madone by depicting the rude and mean-spirited comments that older members often shower upon the newer initiates.

Are you saying I should have just stood by and let Freelancer and KagerouSama ridicule this guy!? If these Neanderthals want to play that game, they better be ready for at least some sort of retaliation.

Come on, dolphinATX; just 'cause we don't see eye to eye on the NGH AES' pricing vs. playability doesn't mean you have to make such a big deal about it.

why

arent neo carts expensive enough?

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SuperMegaUltra said:

Huh? I don't get it.

Are you angry with me because of my opinions on a previous topic? Are you so angry, in fact, that you'd carry it over into a completely unrelated post? If so, wow.

Just in case you're confused, I was sticking up for madone by depicting the rude and mean-spirited comments that older members often shower upon the newer initiates.

Are you saying I should have just stood by and let Freelancer and KagerouSama ridicule this guy!? If these Neanderthals want to play that game, they better be ready for at least some sort of retaliation.

Come on, dolphinATX; just 'cause we don't see eye to eye on the NGH AES' pricing vs. playability doesn't mean you have to make such a big deal about it.

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you got me there my fellow neo owner.
must be the drama bug every one here talks about.
us wee little guys gotta stick together.
man my apartment smells so bad, my cat barfed smack middle of my living room.
ok back to the comments.

Originally Posted by SuperMegaUltra
Are you saying I should have just stood by and let Freelancer and KagerouSama ridicule this guy!? If these Neanderthals want to play that game, they better be ready for at least some sort of retaliation.

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Yes, because posting on an internet forum clearly excludes your thoughts from ridicule!

I hardly call it the characteristic of a neanderthal to encourage someone to read up on what their posting on before they post. And forbid they should learn how to use that quite-usefull tool called the search engine that's included on the site.

And standing up for people who do such misguided, ignorant things and writing them off for saying "I'm new" is getting old quick. Yeah, once is forgiveable, but when you jump in and claim you've got the next best thing since sliced bread when the world's already discovered the sesame seed, it's pretty taxing.

Post counts don't matter to me. They don't matter to quite a few people. But your perspective on this seems to be the case. So don't give that kinda crap and get over it, man.

It's a community, and a scrutinous one.

It's okay though. When you read for a while and see people starting "What's your favorite KOF," and "Is it safe to buy from Caroles Collectables/Japhei, or NGF"every three days or so, you'll understand where the sentiment comes from.

And enjoy your stay here at http://www.neo-geo.com/forums !
--KagerouSama

Originally posted by KagerouSama
Yes, because posting on an Internet forum clearly excludes your thoughts from ridicule!

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Huh?

Originally posted by KagerouSama
I hardly call it the characteristic of a Neanderthal to encourage someone to read up on what they're posting before they post.

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I couldn't agree more. Sadly, you did absolutely nothing encouraging in your original rant. Rather, you proceeded to browbeat poor madone into a speechless state of reclusiveness. Next time you decide to help someone out, do them a favor and don't help them out.

Originally posted by KagerouSama
And forbid they should learn how to use that quite-useful tool called the search engine that's included on this site.

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A similar comment could be made of your spelling errors. However, we're all only human, and, from time to time, people have been known to make mistakes. This even includes newer and older individuals here at Neo-Geo.com.

Originally posted by KagerouSama
And standing up for people who do such misguided, ignorant things and writing them off for saying "I'm new" is getting old, quick. Yeah, once is forgiveable, but when you jump in and claim you've got the next best thing since sliced bread when the world's already discovered the sesame seed, it's pretty taxing.

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Heh, you might want to work a bit more on your analogies, there. Still, I'll gladly keep standing up for misguided, ignorant people, so long as inconsiderate, boorish people keep ridiculing them. Stop the ridicule, and I'll stop the defense.

Originally posted by KagerouSama
Post counts don't matter to me. They don't matter to quite a few people.

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That's cool. I appreciate, and wholeheartedly agree with, your views on that matter. Glad we're able to agree on something.

Originally posted by KagerouSama
But your perspective on this [issue] seems to be the case. So don't give that kinda crap and get over it, man.

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Huh? Looks like you're gonna have to extrapolate a bit more, there.

Originally posted by KagerouSama
It's a community, and a scrutinous one.

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If by "scrutinous," you mean "lewd, rude, and crude," then you're absolutely right. However, things don't have to be that way. So, make a difference, stop acting like a jerk, and be a little nicer to the newer guys and gals around here.

Originally posted by KagerouSama
It's okay, though. When you read for a while and see people starting "What's your favorite King Of Fighters?," and "Is it safe to buy from Caroles-Collectibles/Japhei or NGF?"every three days or so, you'll understand where the sentiment comes from.

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See, I guess that's the difference between you and me. You feel the need to reprimand the erring member by replying with verbal abuse. I choose to either reply with a courteous suggestion of checking around, or simply not reply at all. In the end, both ends are more or less met, but the means used are much more effective. Catchin' on?

Originally posted by KagerouSama
And enjoy your stay here at http://www.neo-geo.com/forums!

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Trust me, I already am.

Glad we can agree on a few things then.
You'll make a fine addition to the disfunctional NeoGeo board family. I'm critical of lots of things.

See, I guess that's the difference between you and me. You feel the need to reprimand the erring member by replying with verbal abuse. I choose to either reply with a courteous suggestion of checking around, or simply not reply at all. In the end, both ends are more or less met, but the means used are much more effective. Catchin' on?

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Yeah, I supppose so. Though you're quite the pot to be calling the kettle black. I like how you think.

Anything more on this'll be more hijacking of the thread though, and that's not all that good, because madone might not give us our ball back. If ya' want to keep talking, just shoot me PMs, man. Let's not keep the thread on this hijacked track.

As for the chips. It's a nice idea, yeah. But with no official support anymore for the system, much less the games on it, it doesn't carry much weight to proceed the idea--unless of course you can impliment it in producing your own homecarts and homebrew games...than go for it.

--KagerouSama

They aren't making for the Neo anymore. This question shouldn't even be raised if you knew the state of the hardware: old and being destroyed (both by roms and boots).

The idea is cute, but doesn't hold water. This idea has come up many many times. They sort of did change the inner workings and made it so you can get more ram into the carts (remember the 330 mega shock slogan way back in the day?).

Face it, SS0S is the last game being made, and I'm sort of glad. It's been a crap scene for a few years now.

Spike

Changing the question, was there a game released for the neo that had some sort of extra grunt to the power of the console built in? just interested

The reason the SNES could do ACM and 3-D was because it could do compression, which the Neo can't, a fact which has finally caught up to and killed the Neo more than a decade later. If the Neo could have done compression, the developers would have been able to give us at least five more years off of it.

KagerouSama said:

Someone's never heard of Operation Ranagard.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/ng/ragnagard.html

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Just a small correction for ya:

ShinOuken/Ragnagard = Fighting Game



Zed Blade/Operation Ragnarok = Shmup



OWN3D

kinda agree that its an interesting concept

if you look at the saturn when it was released its 3d potential was very poor but 2d was incredible, the only company who looked towards the future was sony

now say in 1994 when 3d was beginning to show potential - snk would have to create some department (ie am2 from sega) who could use their resources to go 3d and thats big money - snk has never been a really big profitable company to be honest and snk america (barones in later years) were shit

when snk did go 3d the results were erm shite - the games may play well but they look very poor, sorry hyper owners i have never played a game but i have played the ps1 ports and they were teh shite

as you mentioned with the snes they started to use a custom chip inside the carts but there isnt much room inside the neo carts, just like 708 megs is the max they can go too and any higher than 708 means extra boards and their isnt enough room

also i think snk knew from around about the start that hardcore 2d gamers liked the system and as the old saying goes 'if it aint broke - dont fix it'

**edit** - if you want to see some fake 3d effects play blazing star, the pseudo 3d that has makes you think that its in 3d especially on the 2nd level

Hilarious concept art that I whiped up.

$50 shipped!