CG= Downfall of the Movie Industry?

Frame Gride 2

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After seeing hellboy and walking out of the theater. I realized how little of the plot was explained during the whole movie. I tried debating certain parts of the movie and I realized I basically knew nothing of why they went to Russia, Rasputin's motives, none of their powers were explianed in depth and some scenes felt very awkward. Then I realized how awesome the CG was in the movie. The ending sequence, the sequences in the subway as well as the opening all looked awesome. It seemed like the whole movie was just a mess of CG because not even the subway station was real (Palmer St. WTF?) These days it seems like Hollywood movies are chock full of CG and nothing else. Wheres the plot? Will CG be the downfall of the movie industry?
 

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CG Ruined Sesame Street.

If you dont believe me, wake up early and watch it. Its 45 minutes of Elmo in his CG house with small interludes that teach the older kids how to count for a second.

Other than that its Elmo talking to kids like they are retarded.
 

Kazuki Dash

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the problem with the trend of using computer effects is that every movie studio seems to think it's the answer for everything...

it's as if they won't even consider anything else...I don't know about anyone else, but I feel that older methods still have plenty of merit...

take animatronics for instance: I don't care if they were able to make him jump around doing crazy stuff, the OG puppet Yoda owns CG Yoda hands down

often CG just does not come across as looking realistic enough to my eyes, and I feel that most movies would benefit from a blend of different methods based on which gives the more appealing result instead of "let's fire up the old PC and put in all our special effects and backdrops in one sitting, guys"
 

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cookie cutter movies featuring CG and a glass of HIGH DEFINITION.
It does cut production costs and looks really cool!!!:rolleyes:
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cg fucking blows my asshole out of my face.

if gizmo was cg i would have killed myself back when gremlins was released.

if i lived the rest of my life without ever seeing cg again (outside of a video game) then i could die a happy man.

fuck cg.
 

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i think quentin said it best when asked about how he feels about cg.
his reply: if i wanna see cg id put vasiline on my cock an stick it in my gamecube ..or something like that lol
:buttrock:
 

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take animatronics for instance: I don't care if they were able to make him jump around doing crazy stuff, the OG puppet Yoda owns CG Yoda hands down

Agreed. Similarly the old techniques like Phil Tippet's stop and go motion on creatures like the Tauntauns, Dragonslayer's dragon and the like can never topped by cg. It is all just too easy nowdays, I don't find any of it impressive at all.
 
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Well its not going anywhere, and it certainly hasn't ruined the movie industry. It's here to stay, and it will get better and better, and it will be used more efficiently and effectively in the future.

I think the Lord of the Rings trilogy is a great example of how CG was put to good use, basically using it to build impossibly large armies that just could not be feasible to do with humans...considering the cost involved. Not to mention all the great creatures that were made with CG, like the giant Elefant scene in RotK...

I like the nostalgic stop motion stuff too, but damn...I'm not gonna be left behind in the movie industry because CG is the future....although I've hypocritically made that decision with video games, proclaiming myself to only play classic stuff....oh well to each his own.

I don't know...I just trust that CG will get better, and it will be used better...thats the main thing. I mean, look at the leap from Terminator, to T2, and then T3...it just keeps getting better...it's not ruining anything.
 
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CG is just a tool, and like anything else it can be abused. CG popping up everywhere is really a symptom of the real problem, which is a lack of creative and original thought. Just take a look around and ask yourself how many of today's movies aren't either sequels or comic book remakes. Of course, it's not all their fault either - after all, the public scarfs this shit up by the gross.
 

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5thlion5thlion said:
i think quentin said it best when asked about how he feels about cg.
his reply: if i wanna see cg id put vasiline on my cock an stick it in my gamecube ..or something like that lol
:buttrock:

You get weirder everyday.
 

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Anyone who saw THE HULK knows C.G. is shit in terms of carrying a film. *I would rather wait four years and get a futuristic film or whatever it is that would be on scale if not better than the SFX in Blade Runner, Star Wars 4-6, Dragon Slayer etc. Hollywood is just lazy fuck offs, but what else is new? Give a nigga' a rope and he wants to be a cowboy... Nigga' Kicka!
(as said by Eddie Murphy back when he was funny.)

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I must be the only person in the world who actually liked "The Hulk". I agree with GunstarHero, it will get better and it will be used better. Afterall, CG is what made the original Matrix movie great.
 

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Aren't you the smart ones, lets blame CG. No one stops to think that the writers and directors are the morons responsible for the aspect you all are complaining about. If anything the animators are the main group that are doing their job right.

Just like those dipshits at Disney, the movies have craptacular plot and 2D gets flipped the bird along with all the animators.

Frame Grid, if you walked out of the theatre thinking that the CG was crap and held back the movie only then could you bitch about it. Your argument should be aimed at the writers/directors.
 
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Zeekade Zarathos

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galfordo said:
CG is just a tool, and like anything else it can be abused.

This is it in a nutshell. Filmmakers can abuse anything to obscure poor storytelling. Sick of super-quick MTV editing? Yeah, so am I. But I'm not about to say that the art of editing is ruining movies.

And The Hulk was great (save for the ending), it just didn't deliver what people were expecting. Lotsa talky talky less smashy smashy. I personally loved it, though, and preferred it to Spider-Man.
 
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Reality Check said:
I must be the only person in the world who actually liked "The Hulk".

Well you're a pro wrestling fan that lives in a crackhouse. Not much is expected from you.
 

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BeefJerky said:
Well you're a pro wrestling fan that lives in a crackhouse. Not much is expected from you.

Do you really believe I live in a crackhouse? I'm just being silly. If I did live it a crackhouse, do you think I will be able to own a computer and have the internet?
 

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Reality Check said:
Do you really believe I live in a crackhouse? I'm just being silly. If I did live it a crackhouse, do you think I will be able to own a computer and have the internet?

I was being silly too. Don't freak out on me there Randy Savage.
 

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In a way we have the same discussion in France with the release of a fighting movie called "Ong-Bak". The star of the movie, Tony Jaa, fights without any special effect like Bruce Lee did and everybody is even more impressed than with the latest Jet lee movies because they know that it's real. Everybody says that it will be the biggest asian action movie ince the past 3 years.
 

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My complaint isn't so much with C.G. itself but with the over use of it. I do realize that it starts with the script writers, as I've penned a few INDIE film shorts and even partook in a few Underground projects back in the late 90's. A shitty story is a shitty story. But the REAL question is, is do people actually want a good story anymore? *On the note of THE HULK, I didn't have a problem with the talky stuff, my problem was that having Lou painted in green stomping through walls looked more believable than the GG version of what we saw of Eric Banna's alter ego. I'm sorry but "The Hulk" himself was not properly done. He just looked Fake, and even this generations complacent kid who plays PS2 all day could tell it was BAD C.G. *I've seen Final Fantasy C.G. cut scenes that were done better than the "look" of THE HULK himself, thus to me that's why it's bad. If it's done right and there's a good script I have no problem with it. But I have yet to see it come together right, save maybe the original MATRIX film. I say that because the SFX in MATRIX was complementing type of film it was... by the time "Reloaded" came out it was just about: Look at all the new cool things we can do... Neo can fly now! Thus any intergrity John Gata and the other SFX C.G. artists had laid down in THE MATRIX went straight down the toilet bowl and fed the aligator that lives in the sewer.

***Back on Good Stories. *When a film does come out with something to say as well has with something to show it usually means it's going to be at least 2 1/2 hours, and will take the viewer into the psychosis of the characters, and make their detritus your own. This however, usually turns people away or they say the movie sucked. The best example I can think of is my obessession with the Panzer Cops works of Mamoru Oshii and more to the point the anime film JIN-ROH. *Most who saw the movie told me "The Armored Special Unit dudes are cool, but there's not enough action. It's too talky. I mean WTF? And what was up with the whole Red Riding Hood Thing?" The answer to that was simple. The film is not just about the alternate reality that the medium ultimately is, but it's about holding up a mirror to mankind in general, and figuring out which one of us is represented by which faction and/or character of the rivalvaries within the two police organizations. The "Kerberos Panzer Cops" are considered too dangerous to continue, and are viewed as no longer needed, where they will go the route of the Samurai. *But they were considered useful when it suited others though right? **Hence what leads to the "Kerberos Uprising" in his eariler live action films.** But other members saw the writings on the wall, and was already doing Counter-Intelligence work. They trapped those who would trap them and took em' out. Who was that the Public Security unit wanted to sacrifice? A man who they thought was a push over, only he was the WOLF that ate them alive in the end. But to get to the finale we had to live within the depths of his mind... experience the "Head Games" that two sides played him a chess piece at through a girl.

...Now THAT is complex and rewarding when you watch it for what it is and see there's more to it than just some animated film... but most dismiss that. *Thus C.G. is indeed destroying the movie industry piece by piece because the filmmakers have become dependent on it too much instead of "Working".

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I might be pushing the "super geeky" bar here but....IF ANYONE DARES TO REDO any of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies (1 & 2 were awesome, 3 was for extra money mulching =) I'm gonna kick their ass. Those animatronic faces were amazing & knowing how much work it took to make/use those things will always out do CG's for me =) A good recent example would have to be The Lord of the Rings triology, even though they used a good amount of CG, the sets they built did make a huge impact overall

Sorry, but I have to say this before I go...."go ninja go ninja go!" Do I feel better?...yes....do I feel embarrassed & ashamed...no comment =P
 

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Depends on your perpsective. From a creative standpoint, I feel CG has stifled the movie-making process to a point .

For every excellent use of CG for the purposes of fulfilling the story's needs (Jurassic Park, Lord of the Rings) there's at least another example of CG being abused for no real purpose at all (Star Wars Ep 2, The Matrix Revolutions).

As far as financially, its plainly obvious that CG is basically just another piece of bait to lure movie-goers out of another $8, and it's working very well.

I'm a firm believer of it "doing it in camera". CG should only be resorted to when you have a shot that would otherwise be physically impossible and cannot be re-worked for the same impact.
 

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Special Effects movies have always existed. Bad Movies have also always existed. CG has not changed the quality of movies, it just changed how the movies are made.
 

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The Pianist & The Last Samurai both showed me that movies are still alive.
 
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