The "help me beat the boss" thread.

I'll start, any cheap tactics I can use to beat Zero on expert in kof 2k?

I have one...

Could anyone offer any help in beating the pissant minibosses in LB1 and MOTW, Musashi and Grant respectively? Why the flick SNK made minibosses harder than final bosses, I dunno.

Thanks.

RisingKnuckle said:

I'll start, any cheap tactics I can use to beat Zero on expert in kof 2k?

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Lead him. Get relatively close to him and start walking away from him. He'll follow you. Then you can pull off a ton of moves and he'll fall right into them. I use Clark and Ralf a lot so I'll lead him into their qcf+D motion (Argentina Backbreaker?) I can get perfects with this.

Electroman said:

I have one...

Could anyone offer any help in beating the pissant minibosses in LB1 and MOTW, Musashi and Grant respectively? Why the flick SNK made minibosses harder than final bosses, I dunno.

Thanks.

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What? You can't beat Musashi? He's so easy, even in level 8, that I don't know what to give you as an advice. I always make perfects beating him and I'm a VERY average player. You know, I just keep pressing with Zantetsu or Lee and he never touches me. Always choose the "Speed" mode with these character and the victory's yours.

As for Grant, the things are becoming a little bit harder. I once more don't have real solutions but keep in mind not to do crouching kicks or punches because he always breaks you low kicks or punches. Second advice: always use the small jump. The small jump is the key or you'll be dragon punch'd all the time if you don't use this.

Hope this helps.

Tristesse said:

What? You can't beat Musashi? He's so easy, even in level 8, that I don't know what to give you as an advice. I always make perfects beating him and I'm a VERY average player. You know, I just keep pressing with Zantetsu or Lee and he never touches me. Always choose the "Speed" mode with these character and the victory's yours.

As for Grant, the things are becoming a little bit harder. I once more don't have real solutions but keep in mind not to do crouching kicks or punches because he always breaks you low kicks or punches. Second advice: always use the small jump. The small jump is the key or you'll be dragon punch'd all the time if you don't use this.

Hope this helps.

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Tristesse- The thing is about how I play fighters... I really feel adamant about how cheap it may be to simply succomb and adapt to the CPU's way of fighting just to beat him, but if its necessary, then so be it.

As for Musashi, you must be doing something I'm not, because this guy totally owns me every round. Sometimes I can knock off 90% health but most of the time, he has a 50% life bar, sometimes he just pummels me while still having 90% life. Other characters. He will constantly pound me with the double sword thrust down move, double jab, or the 1,2,3,4 OH HA! move he does.

Grant... his fighting engine seems a tad more intelligent but totally rules the air on me, and has insane priority. And how do you mean short jump? I know by pressing down, then up fast, you do a super jump, do you mean a shorter jump is simply a plain press up jump?

Anyways, both LB1 and MOTW are somewhat easy but the games gets harder after every intermission.

And BTW, I don't ever recall getting a perfect against the CPU in either game either, if I did, time to celebrate man.

Ok, no panic man, I've got a fucking hard time with grant too and hardly beat him, don't worry.

Concerning Musashi, the key is to jump just before his double-sworded slash. It's very easy to detect and then to anticipate. Once you jumped over it, his body's yours so combo him to death. I thinking at all his attack and I simply can say that they're very "watchable" so so anticipate and tell me what it gives.

The fighting scheme is always the same: anticipate, jump and combo to death.

Or if it doesn't work, as he takes some time to finish his powerful attacks, block and then RUN to him to combo him before he can do anything.

Easy way to defeat Zero in 2k, taken from Vincent's KOFOnline page, be it down as it is

Fighting as Female fighters team, put Mai second. Inflict any damage you can that gives you an advantagefor the next round. With Mai Vs. Zero, do nothing! Don't touch anything! Zero will stand there and make no attacks. Easy win by time over.

Tristesse said:

Ok, no panic man, I've got a fucking hard time with grant too and hardly beat him, don't worry.

Concerning Musashi, the key is to jump just before his double-sworded slash. It's very easy to detect and then to anticipate. Once you jumped over it, his body's yours so combo him to death. I thinking at all his attack and I simply can say that they're very "watchable" so so anticipate and tell me what it gives.

The fighting scheme is always the same: anticipate, jump and combo to death.

Or if it doesn't work, as he takes some time to finish his powerful attacks, block and then RUN to him to combo him before he can do anything.

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Hmm... ok that's sound advice. Just what i'm looking for, thank you.

Re: Re: The "help me beat the boss" thread.

The_Chosen_One said:

Lead him. Get relatively close to him and start walking away from him. He'll follow you. Then you can pull off a ton of moves and he'll fall right into them. I use Clark and Ralf a lot so I'll lead him into their qcf+D motion (Argentina Backbreaker?) I can get perfects with this.

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I came up with another strat using ralf and clark. As you said lure Zero until your back is into the corner. Always do vertical CD jumps and call out seth striker. 90% of the time he gets nailed by it so you can follow it up with the ralf tackle or clarks dp P. When you run out of striker bombs just vertical CD him and hope you hit.

And NEVER call the striker out unless your jumping.

Zero,

Start the match, walk towards, then back, standing C his ass to death. Might not get perfects, but you will beat him. You can combo him if you want, but you have to be quick.

How do i defeat Johan form ROTD?

HE's so freakin annoying! and im having a hard time (yes, i think he's cheaper than igniz)

btw, im using Pepe and Pupa

roninbuddha said:

How do i defeat Johan form ROTD?

HE's so freakin annoying! and im having a hard time (yes, i think he's cheaper than igniz)

btw, im using Pepe and Pupa

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I haven't played this game in ages... but I believe Pepe had a DM or some moves that were pretty low, dodging some of Johan's moves.

General strategies for all chars:

Zero in KOF 2K... back up until you are 3/4 screen away, and jump towards him. The biggest weakness I've seen with him is he does his DP even when you are too far away. If he does the DP and whiffs, run up to him and combo him as he lands.

Musashi in LB1... dash back to full screen length, wait until he isn't throwing a special move. Do a full screen running jump, jumping attack, combo, dash back and repeat. This actually works against most of the LB1 CPU opponents.

Johann in ROTD... most ppl like to beat him with fireball patterns, but I repeatedly jump towards him holding block, and if I get close enough, basic combo with jumping attack, standing attack, command move, special. Not only can Johann almost never block a full basic combo, but he doesn't have a good meaty attack, so you can do a jump kick just as he is getting up and do your combo over and over again. The only way he can stop you is with his counter, and if that happens you jump toward him and repeat. I've beaten Johann on the highest level by doing a single combo around 20 times in a row. Boring fight.

Grant in MOTW... tough fight. The only sure-fire technique I have to help with this fight is to jump towards him and be prepared to Just Defend in the air if he does either a DM or a DP. This is hard to learn, but if you learn this then you'll have taken away the CPU Grant's best and most likely way to kill you.

I'm still having trouble with Grant in MOTW.

I'm learning that he still owns the air, and that his difficulty curve seems to be > 2 steps higher than everyone else.

The only way I can actually do relatively well against him is to wait for him to be vulnerable after a heavy attack and combo him if I can. He's one of those char's that I have to wait for him to make a mistake.

I have another question...

What is the minimum skill level I need to actually fight Kain? Seems that even if I beat Grant with 1/4 health (hit C on continue service), I still can't fight Kain. Seems to mee that the only way to actually fight Kain is to beat Grant on Level 3 legitemately with no help from continue service. Is this right guys?

King Lion-Kizuna Encounter

Argh..this guy is a pain in the ass..

Electroman said:

What is the minimum skill level I need to actually fight Kain? Seems that even if I beat Grant with 1/4 health (hit C on continue service), I still can't fight Kain. Seems to mee that the only way to actually fight Kain is to beat Grant on Level 3 legitemately with no help from continue service. Is this right guys?

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No.

I've finished many many times MotW in level 3 and still can't play against Kain, even if I beat everybody in 1 credit. I own the MVS version so it may be a difference from the AES or are thses 2 versions the same?

I think that fighting Kain has to do with your overall ranking, not the difficulty level you play the game on. If you save your game when fighting Grant, and then destroy him when you restart, your overall ranking will be high and the game will let you face Kain.

it290 said:

I think that fighting Kain has to do with your overall ranking, not the difficulty level you play the game on. If you save your game when fighting Grant, and then destroy him when you restart, your overall ranking will be high and the game will let you face Kain.

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You need to get at least AAA rankings in every fight (including Grant) to fight Kain. He has T.O.P across his whole bar, and isn't that hard to fight. I need some Rugal 2k2 help. I still can't beat him without replenishing power stock on.

Goenitz, KOF '96: how do you beat him?? Yeesh (I'm using Kasumi for the most part, so maybe that's why...).

Samurai Shodown III final boss. He repeatedly handed me my ass for an hour and half, after which I simply had to stop trying.

Any tips tackling this mofo?

For Goenitz, there's a thread about it, just browse the "Gamplay" forum folders and you'll find how to beat him.

For Zankuro, the main tip is NOT to jump during the fight. The second one is to block his hits because they're relatively slow so block and counterstrike til death.

Tristesse said:

For Zankuro, the main tip is NOT to jump during the fight. The second one is to block his hits because they're relatively slow so block and counterstrike til death.

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That's what I was doing. I can block and counterattack with relative ease, but every now and then our swords clash somehow differently, and I stand stunned. It only takes 2 or a maximum of three of these and I'm toast. What causes the freezing of my character?

Neo-weirdo said:

King Lion-Kizuna Encounter

Argh..this guy is a pain in the ass..

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I agree with ya, he's gotta be one of the lamest on earth!

I did beat him after about 20 continues

Something that really helped me to beat him was this:

Corner yourself, he'll follow u attacking... just block... as soon as you regain control over your char, jump vertically, then hit C on the highest part of the jump, this will have him to make his counter move leaving him open for anything including combos or grabs for a second (if u're gonna combo him make sure you start it as the counter motion finishes), IT WONT WORK ALL THE TIME, but helps a lot.

There's another one: When he is far enough from you, and if u have a fireball freak (IE, Rosa, The Clown guy), throw one in slow version, he'll use the "switch side" motion, but since he's so far away, by the time he's in front of you, you shall be already recovered from the move and should be able to combo or grab him too.. just time it right

Still I got no true strategy, he's simply.... CHEAP!

Anyone else helping here?

I'm coming in late, but Musashi is EASY. I only play level 8, and I can tear him up with Amano. Heck, I don't think anyone I use against him is hard. Just don't jump too much, but I can't say what else to do/not do.

Guy I have a hard time with is some of the later Metal Slug 3 bosses. Sheesh, such a hard game at times.

Spike

yashiroTCM said:

Corner yourself, he'll follow u attacking... just block... as soon as you regain control over your char, jump vertically, then hit C on the highest part of the jump, this will have him to make his counter move leaving him open for anything including combos or grabs for a second (if u're gonna combo him make sure you start it as the counter motion finishes), IT WONT WORK ALL THE TIME, but helps a lot.

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Clever, never thought about this. Anyway, really, King Leo isn't that hard to defeat.
His biggest drawback is his own endless pressure strategy. He'll just keep on attacking, so try to turn this to your advantage.


1) When far, throw fireballs like there's no tomorrow. 9 times out of 10 our smart Can Man will eat at least a couple of them before getting close enough to be a menace.

2) Jump, jump, jump. Block, block, block. Attack.

Time well your hits (the lower you're in the air the better) and you're done. If you get stuck on the ground, crouch guard til danger has passed (read, KL's sweeps), then restart jumping to avoid getting thrown.

3) Use THA MARVELLOUS COUNTER MOVE.

(when your energy is red) hcf+A when blocking

Incredibly effective versus anyone, this can become deadly against a moron like Shin Lion. He performs qcb+B, you counter. He does f+B, you counter. Timing is not that hard, just be careful with multi-hits moves.
The most useful counters of the game are Kim's and Gordon's ones, great range, decent damage, fast.

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