Why Won't The Character Age?

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This is the only thing that I truly dislike about the series. The characters never change! They look exact how they did from the last KoF. I don't about any of you but I want the characters to age. It can really help the characters devlop their persona thoughtout the series and it them a bit more believeable. I mean, I have a hard time believing that after 9 years Athena is still in High School in her teens (Same with Yuri), Chin hasn't died yet, Bao is still 12 years old in KoF 2000 & 2001, Kyo still looks the same way he did back in 94 (The costume change doesn't fool me) and so on. The only character that I seen that shown any sign of aging is Terry Bogard. Other fighting games age their characters like Tekken, Mortal Kombat, hell, even Street Fighter!

So do you think it's a good idea to age the characters?
 
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They aged in the first two games. The problem was that the characters from different games come from different time periods (AOF characters at least 10 years before FF characters), so there was no way it was going to make sense anyway. The characters continued to age in their respective series, for example: According to SNK, Terry was born in March '71, was 22 years old in FFS (1993), 24 in Real Bout (1995), 25 in RBS (1996), and 35 in Garou (2006). These dates all come from Gamest mooks, which got the info direct from SNK. I've heard some people say SNK later changed it so that Garou takes place in 2008, but they always say "I heard...". For all I know, it could be true, but so far, no one's ever said where they "heard" it from.

I just treat all of the KOFs as either in their own seperate universe where time doesn't pass and AOF2 never happened, or as dream matches. It's the only way a lot of those strikers in 2000 make any sense, unless you rationalize them as not really being there or something. Still good games.
 
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I've seen this somewhere before...deja vous?

They suffer Dick Clark syndrome.

You keep watching, and he never ages. And you know that one day, as you're watching him on television, he'll age two-hundred years in twenty seconds.

The same thing'll happen in KOF. One year in everyone's ending, the characters will age to their correct ages in mere frames.:tickled:
 
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I'd like to see SNK actually age their characters, yes.

And I think KOF, FF, and (to a certain extent) AOF all happened in the same universe. I think they just retconned AOF to take place somewhere around, before, or after FF. Sure, it don't make sense, but it's a game, whatcha gonna do? :p
 
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TerryBogard said:
I'd like to see SNK actually age their characters, yes.

And I think KOF, FF, and (to a certain extent) AOF all happened in the same universe. I think they just retconned AOF to take place somewhere around, before, or after FF. Sure, it don't make sense, but it's a game, whatcha gonna do? :p
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That's the thing, I don't think they retconned anything. All the FF games happen in specific years and the characters age. In KOF, during the same years the FF characters appear, but at a different age. Yeah, AOF and FF fit together, that's why Geese appears as a young man in AOF2, and it's why Ryo appears as an older guy with Takuma's mask in FF Wild Ambition.

At the same time, in KOF 2000, you have people from the past, dead characters, characters from the future like Fio, characters from the far future like Kim Su Il, and part of the continuing KOF storyline (unlike '98 or '02)... These games only exist in the minds of the people who play, so they can mean whatever you want and be no more right or wrong than anyone else, but I think KOF is a dream match. Kind of like those old Marvel vs. DC comics of the 70s and 80s, like Superman vs. Spiderman, where they met, fought, the comic ended, and then it was like it never happened in their respective comics.
 
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SouthtownKid said:
That's the thing, I don't think they retconned anything. All the FF games happen in specific years and the characters age. In KOF, during the same years the FF characters appear, but at a different age. Yeah, AOF and FF fit together, that's why Geese appears as a young man in AOF2, and it's why Ryo appears as an older guy with Takuma's mask in FF Wild Ambition.

At the same time, in KOF 2000, you have people from the past, dead characters, characters from the future like Fio, characters from the far future like Kim Su Il, and part of the continuing KOF storyline (unlike '98 or '02)... These games only exist in the minds of the people who play, so they can mean whatever you want and be no more right or wrong than anyone else, but I think KOF is a dream match. Kind of like those old Marvel vs. DC comics of the 70s and 80s, like Superman vs. Spiderman, where they met, fought, the comic ended, and then it was like it never happened in their respective comics.
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That can't be completely true. I looked up the KoF storyline and it states that it all started with the first Fatal Fury game.
 
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That can't be completely true. I looked up the KoF storyline and it states that it all started with the first Fatal Fury game.
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If you looked up the KOF storyline in one of those FAQs, it's complete bullshit (if it's the one Im thinking of, "the Story of the King of Fighters Tournament" by K. Lantis, it's particularly guilty). Those are made up by american fans and not based on SNK info. Have you ever played AOF2? Geese is a young man. Jeff Bogard hasn't been killed yet. In Fatal Fury it's established that Jeff died 10 years earlier. There's no way around that.

I'm not going by what I would like to have happened, or what I am guessing happened. Everything I told you either comes from an actual homecart manual or a Gamest mook. Everything Gamest printed came straight from SNK. If SNK (or Playmore) did change their minds later, no one has ever come forward to show where. But like I said before, feel free to interpret it however you want, and ignore parts of what SNK sad that don't intrerest you. Or do what that Lantis guy did and just make shit up. It doesn't hurt anybody.
 
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SouthtownKid said:
If you looked up the KOF storyline in one of those FAQs, it's complete bullshit (if it's the one Im thinking of, "the Story of the King of Fighters Tournament" by K. Lantis, it's particularly guilty). Those are made up by american fans and not based on SNK info. Have you ever played AOF2? Geese is a young man. Jeff Bogard hasn't been killed yet. In Fatal Fury it's established that Jeff died 10 years earlier. There's no way around that.

I'm not going by what I would like to have happened, or what I am guessing happened. Everything I told you either comes from an actual homecart manual or a Gamest mook. Everything Gamest printed came straight from SNK. If SNK (or Playmore) did change their minds later, no one has ever come forward to show where. But like I said before, feel free to interpret it however you want, and ignore parts of what SNK sad that don't intrerest you. Or do what that Lantis guy did and just make shit up. It doesn't hurt anybody.
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I played AOF2 but I can never get pass the first match.

This is where I got the info from:http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt

It a pretty relayable but it's on faqs that some of the info was made up so I can't go by everything it says.
 
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I played AOF2 but I can never get pass the first match.

This is where I got the info from:http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt

It a pretty relayable but it's on faqs that some of the info was made up so I can't go by everything it says.
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That's the exact one I was talking about. It's not reliable. It's made up. If you like that story, by all means follow it. But it's not from SNK. A lot of things in it are his wishful thinking.

Check out Neo Geo endings if you want to know the way FF and AOF fit together. See that long haired young guy? That's Geese. See him order the death of Jeff Bogard? Now read the manual that comes with the Fatal Fury homecart. 10 years later...
 
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SouthtownKid said:
That's the exact one I was talking about. It's not reliable. It's made up. If you like that story, by all means follow it. But it's not from SNK. A lot of things in it are his wishful thinking.

Check out Neo Geo endings if you want to know the way FF and AOF fit together. See that long haired young guy? That's Geese. See him order the death of Jeff Bogard? Now read the manual that comes with the Fatal Fury homecart. 10 years later...
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Geese looks mad young. I can't believe I was following the wrong story.
 
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It's a cool site, isn't it? They must have put in a lot of effort to get all those endings. To be honest, I think I've only beaten Geese in that game a couple times at most, myself. AOF2 is harder on level 1 than FFSpecial is on level 8, until you learn the boss patterns (which I haven't really done)...
 
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Dude, that's very informative! Almost makes me wish the series could be a novel. However, due to see all the endings on that site, it has dramatically reduce my yearn to play the game, but I'll still give it a shot, no matter...how...hard..the...game is (breaks into tears)!:crying:
 
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With all of that said I still think that they need to start catching some age. That would make it easer to move new people in their spots once there storyline is played it's self out thus giving more life so the series can go on in new directions.
 
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edit: oh holy shit, i was reading this thread but made a post meant for another thread in this one. please delete.
 
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Do you REALLY want to see what Mai's boobs would be doing by now? Those things would be swinging at her knees!
 
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I think Athena is getting younger.
 
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I think it would be a great idea to age the charachters - and they should also come down with ailments through the series that plague their fighting skills for that particular game etc...osteoperosis, alzheimers, cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc....haha
 
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As SouthtownKid posted, it's a waste of time trying to age the characters because they were never from the same time period to begin with. It's all a dream match.

Having said that, most of what is written in that FAQ is actually pieced together from the games themselves. Shiranui clan having a rivalry with the Mochizuki clan etc. KoF kind of stuffs everything up.

Never really understood why SNK just stopped with Fatal Fury as their answer to Street Fighter.

Street Fighter - Fatal Fury
Street Fighter 2 - Fatal Fury 2
Super Street Fighter 2 - Fatal Fury Special
Street Fighter Alpha - Real Bout 1
Street Fighter Aplha 2 - Real Bout Special
Street Fighter Alpha 3 - Real Bout 2
Street Fighter 3 - Garou: MotW
Street Fighter EX - Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition
Street Fighter 4 - King of Fighters XII (I think they just gave up with Fatal Fury)
 
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