George Carlin speaks on the indecency uproar

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Thus spake Carlin:

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George Carlin Responds to Indecency Uproar
By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer

LOS ANGELES - George Carlin famously dissected "The Seven Words You Can't Say on Television" as a way to explore what everyone was so uptight about. Thirty-two years later the same debate is still raging, now fueled by Janet Jackson's Super Bowl flash, the suspension of Howard Stern's raunchy radio show from six stations and new House legislation that would raise a performer's indecency fine from $11,000 to $500,000.

So what does the 66-year-old Carlin think of the current handwringing over what is indecent, profane, obscene, immoral, lewd or insulting?

"More of the same, more of the same. What are we, surprised?" Carlin told The Associated Press on Friday

He blamed it on religious moralism, media commercialism and election-year politics.

"The whole problem with this idea of obscenity and indecency, and all of these things — bad language and whatever — it's all caused by one basic thing, and that is: religious superstition. ... There's an idea that the human body is somehow evil and bad and there are parts of it that are especially evil and bad, and we should be ashamed. Fear, guilt and shame are built into the attitude toward sex and the body. ... It's reflected in these prohibitions and these taboos that we have."

Mix that with TV or radio, and you've got a problem, he said.

"What I always remind people is, radio and television and — as it happens — newspapers and magazines too, are advertising media. ... When you have commercialism involved you have the kind of fear that advertisers are very afraid of offending some potential customer. They don't want to lose a sale. So they have this need to inspect and clean up and watch the content in order not to hurt their own sales. It's based on success at the cash register.

"And yet, they're very inconsistent: on that Super Bowl broadcast of Janet Jackson's there was also a commercial about a 4-hour erection. A lot of people were saying about Janet Jackson, 'How do I explain to my kids? We're a little family, we watched it together ...' And, well, what did you say about the other thing? These are convenient targets."

He also thinks President Bush is trying to placate right-wing voters.

The U.S. Air Force veteran compared the recent tension with memories of his military experience.

"These bursts of interest and decency are just like when you're in the Air Force, Army and Marines, whatever — the discipline in your unit may get a little lax, people live with it, it's fine for months at a time then some colonel notices it and suddenly they crack down ... enforcing all the minor rules and regulations. Then what happens after these bursts of bothering people, that wears off and we get back to normal, relaxed discipline, but things still get done.

"Society can be counted on to let this fade."
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Geroge Carlin has been my hero for quite some time now.

He hit the nail right on the head as he always does.
 

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I saw George Carlin once live, and to be frank, I thought the guy was funny as hell while telling it like it is.
I also saw him on The Daily Show the other day, and John Stewart brought up this subject as well, and Carlin practically said the same thing here.

And he's right: if it wasn't for the religious conservatives, none of this would be happening. It was the same group that caused the FCC V. Pacifica uproar, right? :)
 

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While I'm a Christian by faith, this is where I've always had my conflicts. I understand that within the faith, that man is to be this light & salt of the Earth stuff... but the reality of the world around me tells me on a daily basis, that either no one cares or at some point I'm going to be frustrated enough with something or someone and end up acting out in a similar *Vulgar manner or worse, because I AM falliable. Which in turn brings up the argument I had with a pastor several weeks ago when the "Witch Hunt for Shock Jocks" began. The Reverend was pleased and said things like that need to be put "In Check"... that it's one small battle won for GOD. *I argued with him that while that was fine and dandy, that GOD also gave mankind "Choice" and to me if a person doesn't want to see or hear something then they don't tune in... PERIOD. Thus while it may not make sense to alot (and most of my percecutions lately are from Chrisitians not non-believers) of people, I'm all for going "CONTRA" to this Communistic bullshit, and even signed that Stop The F.C.C. petition. No different than how I once fought to keep a Strip Bar open that was going to be shut down, due to zoning issues with a Church, even though the church was built long after the smut place had been there, and the fact I hadn't been in a Strip club in 5 years. To me mankind should have the very choice GOD gave man, and that are the inalieable rights as an American citizen. ***But if the far left with elements of the far right get their way this nation will become the very thing it once fought against and that's Communism.

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Messed Up World...

Actually, he is not 100% right about the religion issue. He is right on the religion issue towards sex but not the 10 Commandments. In the 10 Commandments, one of them say, "Thou shalt not take thy lord's name in vain." Well, Howard Stern says "God Damnit" all the time on his show which breaks one of the 10 Commandments and the FCC doesn't say anything about that. However, he can't let anyone say "Fuck." So why is a derogatory word for sex held to be more evil than taking the Lord's name in vain? Also, You can say "Crap" on the air but you can't say "Shit" which is the exact same word. "Crap" and "Shit" are both slurs (cuss words if you will) for human and animal dung. It always boggles my mind. You can call someone an "ass" but not an "asshole." So I guess that "Hole" is a bad word too or perhaps just in conjunction with the word "ass." You can say "Bitch" when referring to a woman but you can't say "Son-Of-A-Bitch" over the air waves just "S-O-B." So you can say a woman is a "Bitch" but you can't say that a man is the son of a bitch. Do you see where I am going with this? I could go on for pages but I will keep this post short and let others add to what I have said.
 

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Mercenary X99 said:
But if the far left with elements of the far right get their way this nation will become the very thing it once fought against and that's Communism.

how do you conclude that?

Originally posted by Makismo
So you can say a woman is a "Bitch" but you can't say that a man is the son of a bitch.

i hear "son of a bitch" on TV all the time. david duchovny has the best delivery of that term over anyone.
 

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Not so.....

Nash said:
how do you conclude that?



i hear "son of a bitch" on TV all the time. david duchovny has the best delivery of that term over anyone.

He can say whatever he wants on TV but not on the radio. I watched an episode of ER where a dying doctor said "shit" but it is not allowed on the air waves. When I say "on the air," I am talking about the radio. I am talking about what Howard Stern and every other radio show host can and cannot do. You can pretty much do whatever the hell you want to do on TV as long as it is cable. Public TV has censors which is what the Super Bowl was on. HBO can have all the sex and blood it wants but regular stations that go over the air to everyone are limited. Rules on radio are very strict mind you. If you listen to the Howard Stern show, you will see what I mean.
 

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Re: Not so.....

Makismo said:
He can say whatever he wants on TV but not on the radio. I watched an episode of ER where a dying doctor said "shit" but it is not allowed on the air waves. When I say "on the air," I am talking about the radio. I am talking about what Howard Stern and every other radio show host can and cannot do. You can pretty much do whatever the hell you want to do on TV as long as it is cable. Public TV has censors which is what the Super Bowl was on. HBO can have all the sex and blood it wants but regular stations that go over the air to everyone are limited. Rules on radio are very strict mind you. If you listen to the Howard Stern show, you will see what I mean.

x-files was on fox.
 

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It really, really amazes me just how pussified this nation has become and I'm not sure where it stems from. Think about it.....back in the 70s we had shows like The Jeffersons and All in the Family that used racial matters as jokes right after the turbulance of the 60s and was classic TV....shit like that wouldnt even be made today. The closest thing I've seen to those shows is Tough Crowd where all the comedians rip one another's ethnicities/sexualities all the time, and though its not the best show out there, its kinda refreshing to see that they arent getting angry mail every 5 minutes ot being picketed.

Carlin made a good point on Real Time this week about the utter BS obsession we have with "swear words." You cant say em, but they can kinda print em. You know, likein the paper you'll see "f--k" for "fuck".....WTF! You can convey the meaning of the word, use the opening and closing letters, but bleeping the middle somehow cleans things up? :oh_no:

Bah, I say!
 

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Carlin is a bitter, dried up piece of shit who actually thinks that rape is funny. He should choke on his own vomit and die.
 

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Nash said:
how do you conclude that?




hmm... let's see. The far left with elements of the "Super Conservative" press foward in the aims to have everything more or less given to you. The Federal Government knows better than you or I (who are Adults) what is or is not good for us, nix things they feel they have the right to when they don't... continue to push "Afirmative Action", continue Federal Aide like Welfare and reduced income living where there's no real way to keep a tight regin on it so that it's not abused as it has been, thus leading to "Generational Poverty Traditions" where the message given to the youth is if you're a Section 8 kid, you've got someone else paying for your ass, and because of that you're probably (not all but most I see) all BLING, BLING, and have a better car, a bigger apartment complex etcetera. Who wouldn't vote for a regime who wants to give you more? ***But that's the tip of the iceberg man. People hate on the Republicans/Conservatives all the time because they say it's about keeping a "Haves and a HAVE NOTS". This is partially true, but the fact still remains that the system as fucked as it is, is set up for a person with a lot of DRIVE and a DREAM to become a wealthy as they'd like to be. Immigrants come from all over that live 4 or 8 families to a house, they stick together... they invest their money, they actually EDUCATE themselves on the "American Dream" and then 15 years from now when that minority group or a family is successfull, you've got some do-gooder agency from the left that doesn't think it's right. I don't personally like BILL GATES, but why should he have to share his "ideas" with other companies when they could have made something of themselves just like he did back in the day. Now that the man is Ubber Rich, he's the enemy... yeah right.

...thus if we leave it to the FAR left (not all of em' are like this) you see the final picture is one of "We the representational government officials whom you've elected to represent you, don't represent you we represent you as far as getting re-elected... and then we'll just give you another hand out and keep your dumb ass on the plantation giving back your hard earned money to the masta' who lords over you. But you think we're doing you a favor. We got you to give up your guns, you buy and live like the media blitz tells you to emulate, and BTW, we don't approve of that new radio show so it'll be history in the next two days, because you're not ADULT enough to know what you either want or don't want to hear and/or see. But you're living good right. Nice BMW you got in the drive way, nice flat screen HDTV in the living room. BTW, we know you have it, there's a chip in the TV that can be activated at random to locate you. Your Cellphone can triangulate where you are too... but you're a good citizen with nothing to hide, so you're not worried right? You wouldn't hurt me would you Johnny? NO I'M YOUR FRIEND, so what did your co worker say last week over lunch when he was pissed off? RIGHT, We'll keep an eye on him will you, he/she might be someone we need to keep an eye on because GOD forbid they vent or think for themselves. BTW, {pulls out some money} would you like some free money? I TOLD YOU I WAS YOUR FRIEND DIDN'T I... I HOOK UP ALL MY FRIENDS, Me and the regime would never ask you to actually have a pulse or think for yourselves, were Democrat/super liberals after all. YES WE EVEN HAVE SOME CONSERVATIVES amongst us, but their wettin' their beak so they don't care. BTW don't tell anyone else but we're still setting up the one world nation that the UN will precide over. Yes sir... but we gotta' disarm all those NRA members and others who still think and aren't a good comrade citizen... oops, did I say "Comrade Citizen"... I meant good patriot. NO WE'RE NOT AIMING FOR SOCAILSIM/COMMUNISM, what on Earth would give you that impression?"

... you can view it however you like, cry "Conspiracy Theorist" or whatever dawg, but the writings right on the wall, has been for years. The INTEL is out there to be had, and even the UN itself was bold enough to have an official documentation on what their final aims are, but how many people even know OR EVEN CARE about that? Thing is they don't... most want something for nothing and would gladly sell their momma up the river for $50,000 and a Honda S2000, and an apartment paid for by someone else who actually busts their asses off and doesn't have kids who are drug dealers just like them setting the example because it's easier to be a leach than to do anything of worth. But then the Regime knows best for you, so what do I know.

:oh_no:

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johnroche said:
Carlin is a bitter, dried up piece of shit who actually thinks that rape is funny. He should choke on his own vomit and die.

Rape is no laughing matter














































































Unless you're raping a clown :p
 

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Mercenary X99 said:
hmm... let's see. The far left with elements of the "Super Conservative" press foward in the aims to have everything more or less given to you. The Federal Government knows better than you or I (who are Adults) what is or is not good for us, nix things they feel they have the right to when they don't... continue to push "Afirmative Action", continue Federal Aide like Welfare and reduced income living where there's no real way to keep a tight regin on it so that it's not abused as it has been, thus leading to "Generational Poverty Traditions" where the message given to the youth is if you're a Section 8 kid, you've got someone else paying for your ass, and because of that you're probably (not all but most I see) all BLING, BLING, and have a better car, a bigger apartment complex etcetera. Who wouldn't vote for a regime who wants to give you more? ***But that's the tip of the iceberg man. People hate on the Republicans/Conservatives all the time because they say it's about keeping a "Haves and a HAVE NOTS". This is partially true, but the fact still remains that the system as fucked as it is, is set up for a person with a lot of DRIVE and a DREAM to become a wealthy as they'd like to be. Immigrants come from all over that live 4 or 8 families to a house, they stick together... they invest their money, they actually EDUCATE themselves on the "American Dream" and then 15 years from now when that minority group or a family is successfull, you've got some do-gooder agency from the left that doesn't think it's right. I don't personally like BILL GATES, but why should he have to share his "ideas" with other companies when they could have made something of themselves just like he did back in the day. Now that the man is Ubber Rich, he's the enemy... yeah right.

...thus if we leave it to the FAR left (not all of em' are like this) you see the final picture is one of "We the representational government officials whom you've elected to represent you, don't represent you we represent you as far as getting re-elected... and then we'll just give you another hand out and keep your dumb ass on the plantation giving back your hard earned money to the masta' who lords over you. But you think we're doing you a favor. We got you to give up your guns, you buy and live like the media blitz tells you to emulate, and BTW, we don't approve of that new radio show so it'll be history in the next two days, because you're not ADULT enough to know what you either want or don't want to hear and/or see. But you're living good right. Nice BMW you got in the drive way, nice flat screen HDTV in the living room. BTW, we know you have it, there's a chip in the TV that can be activated at random to locate you. Your Cellphone can triangulate where you are too... but you're a good citizen with nothing to hide, so you're not worried right? You wouldn't hurt me would you Johnny? NO I'M YOUR FRIEND, so what did your co worker say last week over lunch when he was pissed off? RIGHT, We'll keep an eye on him will you, he/she might be someone we need to keep an eye on because GOD forbid they vent or think for themselves. BTW, {pulls out some money} would you like some free money? I TOLD YOU I WAS YOUR FRIEND DIDN'T I... I HOOK UP ALL MY FRIENDS, Me and the regime would never ask you to actually have a pulse or think for yourselves, were Democrat/super liberals after all. YES WE EVEN HAVE SOME CONSERVATIVES amongst us, but their wettin' their beak so they don't care. BTW don't tell anyone else but we're still setting up the one world nation that the UN will precide over. Yes sir... but we gotta' disarm all those NRA members and others who still think and aren't a good comrade citizen... oops, did I say "Comrade Citizen"... I meant good patriot. NO WE'RE NOT AIMING FOR SOCAILSIM/COMMUNISM, what on Earth would give you that impression?"

... you can view it however you like, cry "Conspiracy Theorist" or whatever dawg, but the writings right on the wall, has been for years. The INTEL is out there to be had, and even the UN itself was bold enough to have an official documentation on what their final aims are, but how many people even know OR EVEN CARE about that? Thing is they don't... most want something for nothing and would gladly sell their momma up the river for $50,000 and a Honda S2000, and an apartment paid for by someone else who actually busts their asses off and doesn't have kids who are drug dealers just like them setting the example because it's easier to be a leach than to do anything of worth. But then the Regime knows best for you, so what do I know.

:oh_no:

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slippery slope :rolleyes:
 

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America needs a reality check, society isn't crumbling cuz a washed up skank's boob flopped out during the super bowl.

Society is crumbling cuz we have shows like "Joan of Arcadia" on tv.

btw, even though he jokes about it i hardly think he condones rape
 
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