Enough with pro-Atomiswave supporters already...

...I'm done with all these bias opinions. Who the hell here is actually full-heartedly against this move? Yeah, this may sound like a quite bitter thread, but it's coming from quite a dissapointed neo fan. I'm tired of all the crap about "how the neo was maxed out" and "this move is for the better" bull. It's not because Playmore wasn't making enough money because the damn homecarts sell for so much. Hell, they even recieved all that money from the aruze lawsuit anyway. We were forced to support Playmore from the start or we would get flamed, but look at it now. Playmore screwed each and everyone of the true Neo-Geo fans (and no, I didn't say SNK fans, I said NEO-GEO fans). Seriously, who is against this move as much as I am? If we wanted better hardware we'd be spending $40 on a 128-bit game on PS2/GC/XBox instead of $350 on a 16-bit Neo homecart.

So we gave Playmore a chance........Now look what happened. Way too much greed from a video game company for my liking. Playmore was actually doing good this past fall. What a shame that it takes so little thought for them to decide on dissapointing the majority of their true fanbase, the Neo-Geo fans.

Oh well. Discuss or flame, or whatever. I don't care anymore.

I need some pop-corn

Um, not me.

Greed? Hah, of all the reasons...

Watch out for Ben Herman. Whenever he promises 5 of anything, deduct it by 1.

I'm not fond of the move from MVS to Atomiswave, but then again, I will always have my Home Carts to play.

It had to happen eventually... The MVS has been supported for almost 13 years. THAT IS AMAZING.

For someone who's been into the neo for a long time, it sure is a sad state of affairs, but you have to live with it. Life goes on.

SNKP wants to get their games back up front in the arcades. Let's face it, the MVS was outdated bigtime. The games that came out during the latter half of the MVS's life span were some of the best attempts ever to push a system to its limits.

We have tons of games to play, and treasure.

Keep that in mind.

This is truly a collectors niche now.

I'm more or less with ResOglas on this issue, but the fact remains it was unavoidable at some point. So look alive and saddle up you NEO HEADS... now it's our turn as the die-hard gamers with our individual talents to form up dedicated "Cabals" of Professional Hobbyist Game Development Teams and keep the NEO scene alive and well for us to enjoy as well as any new comers down the road! I mean if we can't do something on a political/social level, let's at least get our shit together and do something within a medium that we can do something with. I'm all for the creation/distribution of "Professional Homebrews" that are actually going to pick up the torch SNKP and it's few 3rd party developers have dropped. Being that NEO:GEO is the most powerfull 16-Bit Hardware still, and is ultimately an ARCADE machine, the movement does not have to die out in the manner that Super Fami, Mega Drive and PCE did.

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If the system was called the NeoWave made by SNKP who would like it

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you think home cart sales are anything more than a very, very small drop in the bucket in terms of overall sales, you are deluding yourself. Home cart sales are nothing more than a few extra, guaranteed bucks (because, in the case of English, the entire run is paid for before a single cart is made).

There was once a time when selling out a run of home carts meant thousands upon thousands of sales. Those days are so far away that those that were born at that time can almost drive cars.

Arcade game sales is where SNK-P makes it's money, end of story. To many, MVS games don't look flashy enough, clean enough, or new enough to attract the the folks that still play arcade games. Yeah, Neo is still popular in Japan and other markets, but Capcom and Sega is more so and that is who SNK-P is competing with.

This is a business decision on the part of SNK-P, and a smart one at that. They are taking their marquee properties and putting them on hardware that give their franchises broader appeal and, hopefully, better market penetration.

I know personally operators that haven't purchased any SNK product in years because, in their eyes, the look of the games hasn't changed in over a decade. The reality is, games on MVS don't make the money that games supported by newer technolgy make. I don't make the rules. That's the way it is.

If SNK-P is to survive, it needs an updated look (Atomiswave) and a much, much stronger penetration into the home console market, which they are trying to do now.

We are an anachronism here. We may not like it, but it's the smart move for SNK-P. Anyone that doubts that is thinking as a collector/enthusiast and not as a business that wishes to remain in business.

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Oh, and PS. Those of you that check out S-C.com, Trieu has stated that MVS development is not dead. It just looks to be kind of a 3rd party thing now. It was only hinted at, but the message seems pretty clear.

I am dissapointed too and no I don't think this move was for the best as far as fans are concerned.


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PROGRESS IN THE ARCADE MARKET as far as I'm concerned. The technology race is within the home market. MVS was sustaining decades old arcade market with decades old hardware. That just really speaks about 2d gaming. NEO GEO maxed out 2d gaming from the start.
There is no such thing as progress as far as arcade games go - not anymore, because no-one really cares anymore. no-one that plays arcades hardcore around here worries about stuff like high rez. Only gameplay and style. That's why crouching tiger hidden dragon gets so much play here.

If progress was still a reality in this scene, why go with Atomiswave and not something even sharper? I know this is trying to bring 2d into the 21st century, but that's what viewtiful joe is there for. Maybe because this niche can be exploited to the point where SNKP makes as much money with the portz as Sammy does with GG on PS2. We neo geo fans are sidelined.

I wouldn't say Playmore got greedy though. They are a business who wants to stay competitive, profitable and ahead of the game. It was a business decision. Now, we as fans can agree or disagree, but at the end of the day, they are selling a product/brand and we either buy or don't. Its as simple as that. These guys are not 'fans' of 2d gaming it would seem. Just business men trying to make some money.

I am not against Sammy or Atomiswave itself. Just against certain business practices. But then, non of what goes on is really up to us, the neo geo fans.
and we can agree and disagree forever it won't make a difference. Lets just contain ourselves a little I say. But I am sick of so much Atomiswave talk going on where it does not belong. This is consequence os such extreme news, but there should be a bit more respect for the way things are supposed to be done around here.

NEO GEO FOREVER MAN. THIS IS, NEO-GEO.COM.

I don't agree at all. Playmore isn't screwing over anyone, why you think they are i dont know. SNKP is a business and as such they have to make money. The homecarts make no sense when they could be pumping out ports of their arcade titles and selling them in the thousands. Just think how well their fighting games would do if ported to the xbox and given live compatibility. I would think as a TRUE Neo Geo fan you would want everyone to experience the greatess of SNKP's franchises. The fact is the home carts aren't accessible to the general population. Don't you want everyone to be able to play snkp's stuff?

yeah, it is a sad affair, but like everyone said it was bound to happen. but atleast now we arent gona be getting 11 year olds asking :"OMFGZ WHEREZ THE ROMZ?"

Get over it guys. The # of "I hate the atomiswave" threads are really sad. I am not estatic about the move myself but life goes on. We all know that it was a big mistake not releasing LB3 and MOTW2 on the neo to close it out but chances are that they will see the light of day on the atomiswave either unalteredand just like they would have been on the neo or with merly a few tweaks.
Honestly, sam sho 5 special should have been on the AW as well.

BTW, I see that one of the titles for kof on the (very convoluted) release list is KOF neowave. It would actually be a great idea for sammy & SNK to re-name the AW the neowave. Just my 2 cents.

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It's not because Playmore wasn't making enough money because the damn homecarts sell for so much. Hell, they even recieved all that money from the aruze lawsuit anyway.

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Playmore isn't making enough money. Neither was SNK; I don't understand how you don't see that. Between the costs of development, the higher costs of producing carts, and the relatively minuscule number of homecart sales, they had to charge that much to hope to even break even. Also, they probably haven't received ANY money from Aruze yet, so that argument's totally out as well. Just because a judge made a decision in favor of Playmore, doesn't mean anything... Aruze still has chances to appeal, etc. It could be years before Playmore sees any of that money.

Am I very excited about the move to AW...? Not really. Am I going to get an AW set up? No. Would I rather they stayed on MVS so I could keep getting carts for my cab? Of course. But I don't expect them to suffer/go under again/all lose their jobs, just so I can enjoy my hobby.

Maybe my perspective's different because last summer the company I worked at for 7 years went under due to the boss' unwillingness to adapt to a changing market. Everyone got laid off except for the lowest paid guy and one guy who took a more than 50% paycut. Everyone else was on the street. Heaven forbid Playmore try to stay afloat and competitive. They should sacrifice themselves to create games only we will buy and more than half the people here will only bitch about anyway.

It's like running into a friend you haven't seen since high school. You talk to him and realize he's changed from the person you used to know -- different interests and priorities. Do you wish he had just died right after graduation instead?

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Get over it guys. The # of "I hate the atomiswave" threads are really sad. I am not estatic about the move myself but life goes on. We all know that it was a big mistake not releasing LB3 and MOTW2 on the neo to close it out but chances are that they will see the light of day on the atomiswave either unalteredand just like they would have been on the neo or with merly a few tweaks.
Honestly, sam sho 5 special should have been on the AW as well.

BTW, I see that one of the titles for kof on the (very convoluted) release list is KOF neowave. It would actually be a great idea for sammy & SNK to re-name the AW the neowave. Just my 2 cents.

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Agreed.

It is time to move on people.I for one am not over the moon about the move but this in reality is many years overdue.

Wether it is MVS/AES or Atomiswave I don't really care, at least we are still getting that 2-D goodness.

Ok.

My tolerance for retards is at the threshold. I'm going to try to put this into words without just insulting people as I'd like to. I hope that maybe some people might be able to understand. I don't expect much though. Nor have I much at all lately from any of you. So I may be wasting my energy.

Some of you ask the question: are you a fan of the SNK games or the hardware? The thing is, for many of us Neo-Geo fans, you cannot separate the two.

Well? Are you a fan of SNK games? Do you love KoF on the PSX, and then DC, and then PS2? I don't. I only like it on the Neo Geo. Same with Samurai Shodown. I wouldn't be happy with the SNES version of SS, or the PSX version of SSIII and SSIV special. I only own those versions as a collector. I only own KoF Kyo and Athena Awakening to the Ordinary Life as a collector. Honestly, they aren't good games. But Whatever. SNK isn't perfect. But the combination of its games and its hardware was damn close.

And so, what made the SNK games so worthwhile was the hardware combined with the games. You people who think the Atomiswave means better new SNK games are too optimistic. Yes - it can mean that, but why didn't we get better a KoF on the DC or PS2? We didn't. The best version of any KoF game is and always has been KoF 98 on the Neo Geo - MVS or Home system, take your pick, but you will know it is only on SNK made hardware.

Ben Herman is not a fan. He's a businessman. He's not me. He's not the person who grew up with SS, KoF, Metal Slug, etc. Running miles to the nearest arcade with all the quarters he could scrounge. He wasn't a kid going to Japan just to see Neo Geo world in Sukuba, and then Tokyo Bay when it opened, with all the money he had saved up. No. Herman's got a job. He has to see things in dollar signs. And frankly, PT Barnum has most of you earmarked in saying that there's a fool born every minute, and a fool and his money are soon parted. Ben Herman, the SNK Playmore staff, and Sammy all know this. You and many other people, who think they like SNK games, are going to devour the first few games. Then you'll be like "meh." Then it will die. Then no one will care.

Just like no one cared about Metal Slug 5 because Metal Slug 3, although cool, wasn't Metal Slug X, which wasn't Metal Slug 1 - and Metal Slug 4 was shit, and so we stopped caring and didn't notice. Yeah - just like that, people will stop caring about SNK games altogether and not notice.

I can accept the fact SNK is over and done with. But don't tell me or other fans to just look the other way when the IPs are being recklessly abused. You're not fans. You're just like hungry animals waiting for scraps of meat to be tossed at you. Have some dignity. Demand better.

SNK is the Neo Geo. The Neo Geo is SNK. To separate them is to separate a person from their heart. Both will die. One right after the other.

That's it.

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Arcade game sales is where SNK-P makes it's money, end of story. To many, MVS games don't look flashy enough, clean enough, or new enough to attract the the folks that still play arcade games. Yeah, Neo is still popular in Japan and other markets, but Capcom and Sega is more so and that is who SNK-P is competing with.
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I'm not going to quote your whole message but I'm glad someone spoke about the move with some sense.

EvilWasabi said:

SNK is the Neo Geo. The Neo Geo is SNK. To separate them is to separate a person from their heart. Both will die. One right after the other.

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But SNK died in 2001.

Also I quite enjoy pre Neo Geo games.

Sorry just do not agree at all with this statement. I can see why you say you don't enjoy KOF97 for PSX. Because those are ports. But to say you don't like SNK games on other platforms....hmmm Crystalis and Baseball Stars for NES, pre Neo SNK arcade greats like Ikari Warriors and POW...just nuts.

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I can accept the fact SNK is over and done with. But don't tell me or other fans to just look the other way when the IPs are being recklessly abused.
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A little harsh, but I agree completely. It's kind of sad SNKPlaymore will never ever achieve what SNK did, the best they can do now is rehash the 90's SNK original creativity.

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at least it isn't Sammy Buying SNK's Ips like some OTHER forum claimed.

Why Atomiswave?

I don't get the move either and from the Screenshots I've seen of the first Atomiswave game it seems to be for nothing.

I hope KOF 2004 is Guilty Gear quality or SNK has a lot of Splainin to do.

People are always afraid of big changes, that is a fact.

For most of you, who have been whinning about SNK releases since it turned into "SNKP", you shouldn't complain now, you have been acting like the Neo-Geo died years ago, well, now it is literally dead, accept it like you pretended to accept it before. This shouldn't be news for you people.

It has already happened, and you cannot change it, maybe this NeoWave KOF is better than any other KOF, who knows, we know practically nothing about it and everyone is just saying "it sucks", how do you know? "Because it's not Neo-Geo, blah blah blah". People should know when to shut up.

For us, who still believe that SNK is alive, this is good and sad news. Good, because it means that SNK is actually evolving and growing to a different "level", and sad because they are leaving our beloved Neo-Geo hardware.

For the SNKP haters this should be good news. Remember, SNK already died, and SNKP is finally stopping to make such horrible games for the Neo-Geo, thus making your *dreams* come true.

Be careful with what you wish.

i own an mvs and there are still hundreds of game i still want on it. but, change is good. sad to say but at least sammy is keeping the arcade buisness alive.

EvilWasabi said:

My tolerance for retards is at the threshold. I'm going to try to put this into words without just insulting people as I'd like to. Well? Are you a fan of SNK games?. I only like it on the Neo Geo. I only own those versions as a collector.
You people who think the Atomiswave means better new SNK games are too optimistic. Yes - it can mean that, but why didn't we get better a KoF on the DC or PS2? We didn't.
Just like no one cared about Metal Slug 5 because Metal Slug 3, although cool, wasn't Metal Slug X, which wasn't Metal Slug 1 - and Metal Slug 4 was shit, and so we stopped caring and didn't notice. Yeah - just like that, people will stop caring about SNK games altogether and not notice.

don't tell me or other fans to just look the other way when the IPs are being recklessly abused. You're not fans. You're just like hungry animals waiting for scraps of meat to be tossed at you. Have some dignity. Demand better.

SNK is the Neo Geo. The Neo Geo is SNK. To separate them is to separate a person from their heart. Both will die. One right after the other.

That's it.

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Well, I would think that calling many here retards is insulting so I think you didn't pull that off to well.
I am a huge fan of SNK games and the neo geo but te neo had to end sooner or later. the key thing to remember here is that the atomiswave CAN provide a new generation of the games that we loved on the neo geo. Thats all however, and that is only a possibilty. Yes, we did not get the better games that we should have gotten on more powerfull systems but that is only SNK's fault as they were horrible programmers when it came to other harware and they never tried to make themselves better. And BTW, we did get a game on the DC that was better than it's neo counterpart....It's called KOF evolution. Besides, such a thing (a port that is better than the neo rev) doesnt't exist (according to the grumpy old men on this site) remember
While I do not imbrace the change I am not going to go apeshit over any anger I have. A smart person would simply state thier opinion once, maybe send an email to SNK to let them know that they not agree and, if they felt inclined to, perhaps not support the future offerings from SNK.
Granted, some of the people here are not true SNK/neo fans and just love teh drama but many of us are SNK/neo fans but that does not stop us from being gamefans alltogether.
Besides, the neo was dying a painfull death. The games released by the new SNK were just mising that little spark. Shit, playmore couldn't even get the fucking inserts right. That is just pathetic.
I truthfully could have only seen no more than another half dozen releases for the neo in this year. I was really hoping that it would happen but unfortunately it did not. I hear what you aresaying, at least we were able to have a system that has given us over a decade of quality software and some amazing memories.

looks like someone need a tissue, awww

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looks like someone need a tissue, awww

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some people need to stop whining, that's all.

any time there is big news there are multiple threads about it on this site. yea it may be about neo geo games not on a neo geo system which does kinda suck, but did you really think they were going to keep releasing games for bootleggers to profit on? Did you think you'd be playing new MVS games forever?

just move on, we still have a shitload of classics on MVS that will never get old.