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Buro Destruct

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Yeah, I've read that entire site back to front, top to bottom and was mesmerized by the incredibly fleshed out story. His theories and facts do have some major holes in them though.

I'll reserve further comment until more people respond.
 

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OMG - this shit is too fucking stupid for words. I think I will choose to not read, and save myself from losing 20 IQ points :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:.
 

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read it, seen it, gimme some new internet story to not believe in.
 

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Someone else in this community is always linking us to the INTEL on Mr. John Titor, and he (i.e. the information) is indeed an interesting read. Since I more or less believe "anything" is possible, I won't poo poo it, but I don't believe in all of that either. He's supposed to have come back on a research mission to see what led up to this future war... personally if he is real, I'd have liked to have gone into the future with him, cause the lifeless ordinary of our current so-called "Civilized" world is for the birds. At least in his time period I could do some good, cause I'm a honed weapon that's getting dull over time. *In fact I spent most of the afternoon getting back into practice of "Throwing a Spade" (small military shovel) at a wood circle block for knives and tomahawks. ---Just something I picked up off the Russian SPETSNAZ who are taught to use the shovel/spade as a CQC weapon vs. a knife, and it's a lot more versatile than one thinks.

...too bad I could not talk with Mr. Titor, I think our conversations might have been "out of sync". :cool:

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the guy is a very talented writer, but time travel is not possible IMO. there is only one timeline.
 

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galfordo said:
OMG - this shit is too fucking stupid for words. I think I will choose to not read, and save myself from losing 20 IQ points :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:.
So you decided it was stupid and decided not to read a word of it.


You're a genius.
 

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DashK said:
the guy is a very talented writer, but time travel is not possible IMO. there is only one timeline.

The idea of a timeline goes hand in hand with MULTIPLE timelines.

If you refer to one---you're inferring there are others.

Otherwise, there is just time.
 

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Buro Destruct said:
So you decided it was stupid and decided not to read a word of it.


You're a genius.

LOL, dude, I know enough about time travel to know that it won't be possible within the next 50 years to say the least.

I'll probably also ignore the next link to endless threads about pig flight, in case you guys are wondering.

Come out of the clouds, already.
 

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Kid Aphex said:
The idea of a timeline goes hand in hand with MULTIPLE timelines.

If you refer to one---you're inferring there are others.

How so?
 

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galfordo said:
LOL, dude, I know enough about time travel to know that it won't be possible within the next 50 years to say the least.

I'll probably also ignore the next link to endless threads about pig flight, in case you guys are wondering.

Come out of the clouds, already.


What exactly do you know of time travel?

Pay closer attention to CERN's work as of late...
 

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DashK said:
the guy is a very talented writer, but time travel is not possible IMO. there is only one timeline.

Technically there is no such thing as Time PERIOD! *It's merely a measurement in which to gauge things by that mankind developed for itself to better define our existence. If you've ever Astral Projected or are spiritual overall, then the very knowledge that GOD was always there explains this. The past, the present and the future have always been at the same point, in never ceases... it's only the "preception" of sentient people who gauge life by the measurement of TIME that it is pertinent. Right now I'm still being born, I'm still ten years old playing a Nintendo game.. and I'm dying of old age in literally an infinite number of ways forever. All the direct result of the "choices" we as people make determine that "perception" of reality. Thus HEAVEN where GOD resides is perfect in that it is timeless. While I'm Chrisitian as far a religious affiliation goes (but I tampered with much that was not to be tampered with and I see that now by GOD's decree as the Bible is there for a reason) you could look at this from the Greek Mythology as well... like with CHRONOS the master of time and such.

...everything is birthed from absolute perfection and there is no linear path. Everything is but a circle or a disk... spinning from the inside out, within that all is yesterday, today and tomorrow. When our physical selves die, then the TRUE us are released (the spirit) into a timelessness (i.e. Eternity) that is the destination of our "Choice" in our preception of what reality is right now for us, because ultimately we are all spiritual beings and you are either in harmony with perfection or you are not, this would be the concept of "Good" and "Evil" in our preception/reality as we understand it here and now. And in this version of reality our spiritual selves cannot exist here without a biological housing. Thus Heaven and Hell... both are perfect places that are outside of time. One is good and the other is all your worst nightmares and then some forever. *Some people wonder about De Ja Vu, about being here before... well that's easily explainable. In those moments your "Preception" becomes further clear, you're actually standing in the same spot you have before because it always was. Each version of you however, may or may not make the same decison though, thus "preception" is the ultimate monkey.

...just food for thought. IN THEORY OF COURSE.

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Kid Aphex said:
What exactly do you know of time travel?

Pay closer attention to CERN's work as of late...

I'll discuss it if you'll tell me what you're talking about. I know my fair share.
 

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galfordo said:

How so?

He's referring to time as a "timeline" then saying timetravel doesn't exist. The theory of A timeline goes hand in hand with acknowledging OTHER timelines---and in turn, acknowledging the possibility of time travel.

Time travel is 100% possible. Harnessing it? That's another story.
 

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Kid Aphex said:
How so?

He's referring to time as a "timeline" then saying timetravel doesn't exist. The theory of A timeline goes hand in hand with acknowledging OTHER timelines---and in turn, acknowledging the possibility of time travel.

I'm not following your line of reasoning here. Why does acknowledging one timeline necessitate that you acknowledge another? He specifically said there was only one, so why does that infer that another exists?

Time travel is 100% possible. Harnessing it? That's another story.

I'm with you here. As a practical matter, however, travelling at or near the speed of light, or coming within the vicinity of a spacetime-warping gravitational field is a tall order, even for aircraft aluminum :). That's why I say that this guy's threads are bogus. Why would he only tell people on the internet?? If this was plausible, I'd think it'd at least get a little airtime on channel 9 or something.
 

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Kid Aphex said:
So do you agree with the theory of the holographic universe?

Let's put it this way. On a purely spiritual level (out of body) tapping into the timelessness outside THIS reality we "Precieve" to be real (hence Astral Projection)... I believe that someone living say in what we would "precieve" to be the future (on our linear time scale) could very well in their spirit self actually be here with us now, or could even damn well interact with me as a living biological/spiritual person in our "preception" of 2004, but I may well in fact be Dead of the body on the linear timeline/preception and be in the absolute perfection that is HEAVEN with GOD based off the choices I with my biological brain working in conjunction with the spirit (those fluxes you feel from time to time... those moments where you know something and don't know how you know it... that's the real you, THE SPIRIT trying to tap into the overmind i.e. your sensorium of sub conciousness) that led me to be where the divine creator wanted me to be. This is the reason GOD forbids "Arcane" and other wordly things in the Bible. *Because we are created in the image of prefection (i.e. GOD), we also are capable of "Choice" and doing damn near anything we want, but as a creator there are things the creation was not meant to harness nor fully comprehend spiritually (not mentally). Heck the concept I speak of is just the tip of the iceberg, and not absolute.

...which is why I don't Astral Project anymore, but I used to. And I did it for fun. On MY WILL I learned to go wherever I wanted, and could tell a buddy everything they did one night, visited a relative of mine in OHIO and had never been to the house before. When I later visited it, never having seen a picture even, it was verbatim as I'd been there already. Thus there is no time, everything is, was, and will be RIGHT NOW. I don't know how to fully explain this without authoring a book, and I'm freggin' sleepy right now. More from me later.

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Entertaining read, I guess. Mr. Titor should be about 1 or 2 yrs old now if the war started in 2015 and he was 13? Hmmm, definitely a fun read.

EDIT: Also, Civil War in 2005? I do not see any indicators remotely pointing to a potential Civil War. Can anyone correct me here?
 

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Also, no mention of 9/11? The event that forever changed the face of the USA?
 

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Big Shady said:
EDIT: Also, Civil War in 2005? I do not see any indicators remotely pointing to a potential Civil War. Can anyone correct me here?

No correction needed. You're right. Also, this guy Titor is just another guy who's only intelligent on the internet, and desperately needs a reality check. For guys like Titor, reality - pwned.
 

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galfordo said:
I'm not following your line of reasoning here. Why does acknowledging one timeline necessitate that you acknowledge another? He specifically said there was only one, so why does that infer that another exists?
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Referring to 'timespace' as a 'timeline' infers multiple timelines and timetravel because otherwise, 'timespace' is just that---an interconnected, flowing medium that shares aspects of itself, including time [and the elusive graviton] with other other dimensions, or alternate universes.

There is no 'timeline', just timespace. Timeilne infers the [impossible?] separation of the two...and in turn, time travel.

That's just how I read it...knowing how Titor used the word "timeline"


I'm with you here. As a practical matter, however, travelling at or near the speed of light, or coming within the vicinity of a spacetime-warping gravitational field is a tall order, even for aircraft aluminum :). That's why I say that this guy's threads are bogus. Why would he only tell people on the internet?? If this was plausible, I'd think it'd at least get a little airtime on channel 9 or something.

All we, as a species of scientists, need is the ability to create microsingularities under very controlled circumstances. Scientists have already achieved that many times over---and researchers at CERN are working on mastering the art of singularities [micro...and, possibly otherwise]

In fact, theory [and cern] recently suggested digging a worldwide tunnel underneath the earths crust using a string of mass-controlled [and therefore, time-controlled] microsingularities [black holes] to effectively "dig" a transport around the globe.

Such a suggestion seems ludicrious...but they were serious.

Sounds like they at least THINK they know what they're doing.
 

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Everyone is so hot to trot to discuss if he's real. Well how about this, he mentioned he was born in 1998, if he's real there'll be a record of someone named John Titor born in the Tampa area in 1998. Hmmm? :spock:
 

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galfordo said:
I'm not following your line of reasoning here. Why does acknowledging one timeline necessitate that you acknowledge another? He specifically said there was only one, so why does that infer that another exists?
i believe you've heard of the grandfather theory have you not? where one goes back in time, kills his grandfather, and returns to his original time. now would one cease to exist in their time? no they wouldn't as an object can't simply cease to be. (just as energy is never lost, an object is never lost, it is just transferred into something else.) now anyways you return to your time, and everything is still as it was, everyone is as they were, and your grandpa still exists (dead or alive) now to truly fade from existance, to truly see yourself become nothing more than a nameless faceless entity trapped in an expanse of time where you are the one man with no family, no history, and no parents you'd have to kill your grandfather and stay in that time area, stay in that time line. simply by looking at time in that sense one sees that there are obviously multiple timelines with multiple possibilities.

have you ever looked at the chaos theory of mathematics? the theory that states "there are infinate possibilities in a finite area." this theory proves true with time travel. one could go back and kill their grandfather and one thing could result based simply on how he was killed, or on what he was doing when you killed him. every minute difference in one action has an effect on the subsequent actions. draw a triangle (equilateral mind you) and then draw an upside down triangle therein (so as to make a star of david) then draw another triangle on every point of the star of david, facing the opposite direction of that point. then keep going, and going. and it never really ends, even when you can't draw anymore it never ends it's infinance in a finite area. in the time period you are in, in the time period you stand in there are infinate possibilities for you. you could give everything up and be a hobo, you could win the lottery, you could sell your car, every thing you do now effects you later on, there is no one path. nay there are thousands upon millions of paths. a million squared, a million to the millionth power, more and more paths based on simple actions. what if you eat count chocula and discover a cavity in yout tooth? what if instead you eat nothing and don't discover the tooth until it's rotted? infinance, infinate possibilities, there is everything in nothing.


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All we, as a species of scientists, need is the ability to create microsingularities under very controlled circumstances. Scientists have already achieved that many times over---and researchers at CERN are working on mastering the art of singularities [micro...and, possibly otherwise]

In fact, theory [and cern] recently suggested digging a worldwide tunnel underneath the earths crust using a string of mass-controlled [and therefore, time-controlled] microsingularities [black holes] to effectively "dig" a transport around the globe.

Such a suggestion seems ludicrious...but they were serious.

Sounds like they at least THINK they know what they're doing.
so lemme get this straight, they are mad scientists trying to harness the black hole so as to use it for "teleportation" purposes? black holes can bend light, black holes can stretch and break anything that enters them, how do they expect this to work for anything at all? it'd be like shipping something UPS, you just don't do it, it's not a safe mode of transport. i'd love to read more on these wacky guys, but to try and harness a black hole (no matter how small) is next to immpossible. they seem to know what they're doing, but i'd like to know as well. gimme some more info, links, articles, anything.
 
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Kid Aphex said:
Referring to 'timespace' as a 'timeline' infers multiple timelines and timetravel because otherwise, 'timespace' is just that---an interconnected, flowing medium that shares aspects of itself, including time [and the elusive graviton] with other other dimensions, or alternate universes.

There is no 'timeline', just timespace. Timeilne infers the [impossible?] separation of the two...and in turn, time travel.

Using special relativity, which is well established, it is fairly straightforward to reach the conclusion that multiple paths (world lines) exist in spacetime, so I'm with you there. I thought you making your earlier statement without reference to physical laws, which is what was throwing me off.

Spacetime is not a medium, however - it's a 4-dimensional space. And I'm not really sure what you mean by other dimensions, or alternate universes. That sounds like metaphysics to me.

All we, as a species of scientists, need is the ability to create microsingularities under very controlled circumstances. Scientists have already achieved that many times over---and researchers at CERN are working on mastering the art of singularities [micro...and, possibly otherwise]

In fact, theory [and cern] recently suggested digging a worldwide tunnel underneath the earths crust using a string of mass-controlled [and therefore, time-controlled] microsingularities [black holes] to effectively "dig" a transport around the globe.

Such a suggestion seems ludicrious...but they were serious.

Sounds like they at least THINK they know what they're doing.

A controlled microsingularity? Seems a bit off the wall to me. First of all, no one can create a singularity - it's just not physically possible to create something that's infinitely massive, or has an infinitely large gravitational field, etc.

A search on the Physical Review D: Particles, Fields, Gravitation and Cosmology for the word microsingularity resulted in zero entries. Of course, google resulted in quite a few hits - all of which related to Titor. Sounds like internet nonsense to me.
 

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Kim _Kaphwan said:
simply by looking at time in that sense one sees that there are obviously multiple timelines with multiple possibilities.

Or the univserse is self correcting and we're not under our own will. Hey, the universe has done a marvelous job of making itself complex enough to give birth to intelligent life so as to REFLECT upon itself through the eyes and consciousness of that life---whose to say it doesn't have the ability to prevent your from killing your grandfather?

Anyways, Stephen Hawking believed he proved the impossiblity of time travel with the question, "where are they?"

Indeed, timetravel opens up the doors to infinite timespace---wouldn't we have seen almost INFINITE time travellers thus far?

Later he theorized that time travel further back beyond the INCEPTION of time travel itself was impossible.

Who knows.
 
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