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Saw the movie today at 13:30 hours today and I have to say there is nothing remotely "Spiritual" about this film at all. It is Historically accurate as best I can tell from my studies of ROME and of that period on a secular level, but it's just one scene after another of showing the inner "Barbarism" that's within each and everyone of us, and how it was all mankind (includng that sin condition in you and I right now in 2K4) that put Jesus to death, that he did so we could all make mistakes and be a fuckard most of the time... though that shouldn't give an excuse for going out of one's way to do that.
The film also takes too many liberties with Scripture and puts things out of context. The film opens up with Jesus in the Garden with his disciples right before Judas and the Romans came to get him. During this time, Jesus is depicted as some sniffling weakling who may or may not be "up to the task at hand" and is praying to GOD the father. *In the background SATAN lurks tempting Jesus and asking "Who's your father?" and doing things that Scripture does not have taking place at that time, in fact that would have happend a good time before Jesus was to be betrayed when the HOLY SPIRIT lead Christ into the wilderness to be tempted by SATAN. *Thus MEL GIBSON is going the Shakesperan route and using SATAN more of a "Symoblism" for the torrment Jesus was supossedly going through. But since JESUS was the GOD MAN on Earth, he was already resolved to what had to be done, and was happy to do so.
Next we have the fact that Jesus directly refers to his Earth Mother MARY as "Mother". It's been a known fact that he never directly ever addressed her as such, he always called her "Madam" or "Woman". She was merely the vessal of the GOD MAN and savior to the world of those who would believe. The only time Scripture shows him reffering to her as MOTHER was when he told John The Disciple "She is your mother now." ... and that was it. This is creative liberty at work here. EDIT: *If anyone can find proof otherwise by all means state where in the BIBLE and I may stand corrected on that note. Personally I don't remember him calling MARY "Mother" ever.
Much later towards the end we get a flash back to the last supper, where Jesus tells those at the table while breaking the bread and sharing wine, to "do this in memory of me." *Meaning to remember him in that manner, not to ever believe that some heirarchy of religion could Command Jesus to preform the sacrifice every time a mass was held and that the wine was indeed the blood and the wafer the body of Christ. He meant exactly what he said... "In memory of." meaning it's symbolic, not literal. People forget he said "IT IS FINISHED." meaning all was done. Other than these things the movie did portray the brutality of the times and inherent in all mankind, and even got a lot of things right that many films have got wrong in the past, but I came out of the theatre feeling this had more to do with MEL GIBSON's creative case study on Jesus Christ and those last 12 hours than the "Spiritual" film it was being promoted as. My main concern is that a lot of people will see this film and stop there. Thinking this to be the epitome of apart of the Scripture come to life. I'd say for the beatings and what took place, MEL was spot on, but for a much fuller picture THE GOSPEL OF JOHN makes a lot more sense actually staying to scripture itself.
I'm sure many will disagree, but I personally felt the movie was just as waste of time. If anyone who is not a believer should be moved and devote/believe in Jesus as their savior then "Thanks be to GOD"... but other than that, it's just a movie about our own savage nature and seeing Jesus or anyone beat like that afterawhile will make you numb... and I thought I'd seen it all.
That's just my take on the film, what say you? *Not about MY opinion on the movie, but your opinion of what you did or did not get out of the film overall.
MERCENARY X99
The film also takes too many liberties with Scripture and puts things out of context. The film opens up with Jesus in the Garden with his disciples right before Judas and the Romans came to get him. During this time, Jesus is depicted as some sniffling weakling who may or may not be "up to the task at hand" and is praying to GOD the father. *In the background SATAN lurks tempting Jesus and asking "Who's your father?" and doing things that Scripture does not have taking place at that time, in fact that would have happend a good time before Jesus was to be betrayed when the HOLY SPIRIT lead Christ into the wilderness to be tempted by SATAN. *Thus MEL GIBSON is going the Shakesperan route and using SATAN more of a "Symoblism" for the torrment Jesus was supossedly going through. But since JESUS was the GOD MAN on Earth, he was already resolved to what had to be done, and was happy to do so.
Next we have the fact that Jesus directly refers to his Earth Mother MARY as "Mother". It's been a known fact that he never directly ever addressed her as such, he always called her "Madam" or "Woman". She was merely the vessal of the GOD MAN and savior to the world of those who would believe. The only time Scripture shows him reffering to her as MOTHER was when he told John The Disciple "She is your mother now." ... and that was it. This is creative liberty at work here. EDIT: *If anyone can find proof otherwise by all means state where in the BIBLE and I may stand corrected on that note. Personally I don't remember him calling MARY "Mother" ever.
Much later towards the end we get a flash back to the last supper, where Jesus tells those at the table while breaking the bread and sharing wine, to "do this in memory of me." *Meaning to remember him in that manner, not to ever believe that some heirarchy of religion could Command Jesus to preform the sacrifice every time a mass was held and that the wine was indeed the blood and the wafer the body of Christ. He meant exactly what he said... "In memory of." meaning it's symbolic, not literal. People forget he said "IT IS FINISHED." meaning all was done. Other than these things the movie did portray the brutality of the times and inherent in all mankind, and even got a lot of things right that many films have got wrong in the past, but I came out of the theatre feeling this had more to do with MEL GIBSON's creative case study on Jesus Christ and those last 12 hours than the "Spiritual" film it was being promoted as. My main concern is that a lot of people will see this film and stop there. Thinking this to be the epitome of apart of the Scripture come to life. I'd say for the beatings and what took place, MEL was spot on, but for a much fuller picture THE GOSPEL OF JOHN makes a lot more sense actually staying to scripture itself.
I'm sure many will disagree, but I personally felt the movie was just as waste of time. If anyone who is not a believer should be moved and devote/believe in Jesus as their savior then "Thanks be to GOD"... but other than that, it's just a movie about our own savage nature and seeing Jesus or anyone beat like that afterawhile will make you numb... and I thought I'd seen it all.
That's just my take on the film, what say you? *Not about MY opinion on the movie, but your opinion of what you did or did not get out of the film overall.
MERCENARY X99
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... It's worth my $13 of admission....
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