What AMERICA "should be like if anyone' have the balls."

Mike Shagohod · Feb 21, 2004

For those who might have missed the conversation Crovax and I had in that other thread, I implore you to look over this website TRI-STATE COALITION (especially the MANIFESTO section)... it takes the basic principals of "Grass Roots Democracy" and shows how it would more or less be executed, if the people who are among the body would actually take an interest in their own darned "Rights" and what the nation was founded on. Taking rights away from the scum bags who'd do a person harm, and a lot more. I keep hearing from everyone from my wife to the collective majority that things like what's represented on that website (taken from books the man wrote about) could never work but it's bullshit.

...if people opt for the "Convenience Factor" over "Principle of the Matter" then the people don't deserve any sympathy nor aide from anywhere. If this nation is going down the shitter it's because not enough people are willing to band together from all walks of life and fuckin' do something about it, but it starts with education. Actually knowing what's what, and deciding to make that change. With some of the Brainiacs in this community, as well as myself on many levels possibly WE might figure out a way to get the age brackets that are complacent into gear. I mean with the INTERNET the world is a much smaller place, it's not like when I used to soap box to the people at my Highschool and only they heard what was being said. VOTING and a lot more is going to be needed if things are going to change. At least that guy makes some sense, as the Constitution was originally intended to be understood by anyone with a 2nd Grade education without the need of Attorneys to translate stuff, where the people's will and level of involvement make or break the elected head, but they have to be active.

...take a look.

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As taken from the website...
TSC Mission Statement:

***A TSer takes responsibility for himself or herself and for their own family. A TSer does not expect the government or anyone else to do for them what they can do for themselves.

A TSer takes responsibility for the security of their community and does not expect the government to do anything that cannot be accomplished by the Citizens of that community working together.

A TSer insists upon his rights being respected and respects the rights of others.

A TSer is willing to defend himself and others to maintain the principles outlined above.

Tri States philosophy calls for a government whose laws are based on COMMON SENSE. It demands that the individual take responsibility for his or her own destiny. Tri States is about a society built on self-determination, simple laws and tough justice, where skin color, religious affiliation, economic status or social standing, ethnic origin, or other prejudicial characteristics are not issues.

As advocates and supporters of the Tri States philosophy, we believe that freedom, like respect, is earned and must be constantly nurtured and protected, from those who would take it away. We believe in the right of every law-abiding citizen to protect his or her life, without fear of arrest, criminal prosecution, or lawsuit. The right to bear arms is essential to maintaining true personal freedom.

George Washington said that government's power to tax is the power to destroy. Federal taxation should not be greater than 10% of our incomes, however the tax is structured. If a 10% tithe is good enough for God's church, it should be good enough for the federal government. If the size of the federal bureaucracy is unsupportable by a 10% income tax, the bureaucracy should be reduced, rather than taxes raised.

Education is the key to solving problems in any society, and the lack of it is the root cause of a country's decline. Effective public education has been denied our children, hijacked by elite class of education mandarins. Until we wrestle control of our local schools back from these politically correct dictators, the future of our children and our country remains in doubt.

There are only two types of people on earth; decent and indecent. Those who are decent will flourish by their own efforts and those who are not will perish by theirs. No laws laid down by a body of government can make one person like another and any effort by government to make or favor one class over another will backfire. The duty of those who live in a free society is clear, to the maintenance of that society, and personal freedom is not negotiable, but with freedom comes the responsibility to secure it.

In conclusion: We who support the Tri States philosophy and live by its code and its laws pledge to defend it by any means necessary. We pledge to work fairly and justly to build and maintain a society in which all citizens who subscribe to the Tri States Philosophy are truly free and are able to pursue productive lives without fear and without intervention.

Tri States Coalition
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...easy enough for anyone to understand, and based on the fundementals of "Grass Roots Democracy".

MERCENARY X99

Freakit · Feb 21, 2004

/me grabs his warhammer

i want to make a difference!

bring on armageddon!

:buttrock:

Kazuki Dash · Feb 21, 2004

The problem I've always had with the elected officials in our government is once they get voted in they simply do everything they can to make sure they get re-elected. Kind of like much of the popularity thing that goes on with someone running for class prez of their high school or something...it's a shame really, I wish more of those guys would have the stones try to do some good in their term while they have it and not worry how to get re-elected...but maybe I'm getting off topic a tad

:loco:

Mike Shagohod · Feb 21, 2004

Freakit said:
/me grabs his warhammer

i want to make a difference!

bring on armageddon!

***Read over the website or at least come back and check out the excerpt I posted from there here in this Thread. A War Hammer wouldn't be neccessary if people would just get better involved in every day matters rather than going "Double Talk/Double Think" and turning a blind eye to things. Though if it came to that, it's nice to know you've got a War Hammer.

MERCENARY X99

gunrock46 · Feb 21, 2004

merc,

you're not gonna start coining your own money and driving a tank around for regular transpotation are you?

Zeekade Zarathos · Feb 21, 2004

gunrock46 said:
merc,

you're not gonna start coining your own money and driving a tank around for regular transpotation are you?

I thought he does that already.

Freakit · Feb 21, 2004

Mercenary X99 said:
***Read over the website or at least come back and check out the excerpt I posted from there here in this Thread. A War Hammer wouldn't be neccessary if people would just get better involved in every day matters rather than going "Double Talk/Double Think" and turning a blind eye to things. Though if it came to that, it's nice to know you've got a War Hammer.

MERCENARY X99

the warhammer is my lawyer.

Mike Shagohod · Feb 21, 2004

gunrock46 said:
merc,

you're not gonna start coining your own money and driving a tank around for regular transpotation are you?

I'm not sure if you're being funny or not, so I'll just answer this question as best I know how. No I don't see the need to make my own money nor drive around in an Abrams Battle Tank. I have a nice Dodge Dakota Pickup Truck that gets me around just nicely. I almost read into that question a sense of mockery, like I'm saying something that's "against the rules" or "subversive" when in fact all I'm doing is pointing people in the direction of something that's based off our own Constitution and how "Grass Roots Democracy" was initially supposed to work. There is nothing Subversive/Seditious/Traitorous/Terroristic in this thread I started and I love my country dearly. *I merely made this thread to further compliment some of the other threads that other members have made recently concerning the issues at hand about the upcoming Presidential Elections and ultimately where we are going as a nation.

I think it's odd that the ONLY "Real" conversation I've had with anyone over this that didn't get into a heated argument was the one I had with Crovax last night. Everyone talks shit about this or that, or whines that the nation is going down the toilet... or is already living in fear of some so-called "PATRIOT ACT" that could be used against the people. If one would live in fear of speaking their mind that is not outwardly proposing any kind of take over, but merely within the parameters of open discussion that as of this moment is still under the rights of an American citizen by the 1st Amendment... then we are no longer living in the USA and have already begun living under the oppressive "Iron Boot" of a Socialist/Communist regime in the disguise of representational Democracy. *I for one do not believe this to be the case, and thus I merely do what so many people are unwilling to do, and that's have open discussion amongst ourselves as how to better go about helping poliferate changes for the better through "Knowledge" and/or "Awareness" of what's out there, and how things ought to be and technically still are.

So many are quick to not want to vote because they don't feel their VOTE matters, which is exactly why the apathy has led the nation into the slump it's in. Neither side is ultimately right or wrong in their viewpoints as each side tries their best to do what 's right for the collective majority... the very people bitching half the time... but it's that collective majority who's job it is to keep the politicans IN LINE and HONEST. It's the people's job to take care of things at their personal levels of community, but no one does it. That website is merely one person's (in this case an author of many books) Point of View based on the very principles of our own Constitution. If people would even do a smidgen of what is on that website, or what I pasted above things could move forward as a whole. It's not about "Separatism" that was just the gist of the ficitonal novel in which those particular issues arose as the solution to a problem. So as to why I need to be viewed as this person living in a fortified fortress driving around in a tank, and doing other weird shit I DON'T UNDERSTAND. Sure it be cool to have a "Grown Ups" playpark or some shit doing MAN things, but I live more or less just like anyone else, paying my taxes and abiding by the law of the land as fucked up as it is. All I'm saying is that if people would not have the whole "Not in my backyard" mentality... this nation could be something great again within the space of fifteen years, but it would mean the collective majority would have to put aside their ridiculous differences and be willing to WORK at a solution based off the very basics that our great nation that I love so was founded on, along with the blood of heroes.

This in no way makes me crazy or whatever. It's simply a "Heads Up" memo and food for thought. However, I'm sure some people will blow it out of context and even some others who have no backbone would want to label me as this or that, but they have no real understanding of the situation at hand or they wouldn't jump to such stark conclusions. I'm sure you just like me LOVE this great nation, as flawed as it is... but if WE (me and you and everyone else) don't take things a bit more seriously and really have the discussions that are needed amongst our peer groups and teach our children the values neccessary... then the nation will become the very thing it fought against for so long and that within itself is sad, as people who fought for the belief in AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL would have then died in vein, and it would further prove that mankind overall is incapable of learning from history's lessons of mankind's cluster fucks.

GOD BLESS AMERICA, and may she shine brightly and justly as she always has, not spin doctored into a mockery of it's former glories and what it's supposed to be about. Don't let recent stuff like 9-11 make you piss away your freedoms and the right to even have discussions.

MERCENARY X99

Nesagwa · Feb 21, 2004

Hey merc, whens your book coming out

Crovax · Feb 21, 2004

What Mercenary X99 says is true. This thread is basically saying "put up or shut up," and proposing a possible way that people can actually "put up."

As we've seen from the countless political threads that have graced this forum alone, most people are just content to gripe and complain about the problem, but not actually do anything to fix it. Our government has gotten so clogged with partisan thinking that the parties have begun to mean more than the people they're supposed to represent, to the point that its no longer representative.

If people really want to effect change, Grass Roots Democracy is the only way to go. Simply voting for president every four years is not good enough, as true democracy begins at the community level. What is being pointed out here is that most people aren't willing to put forth the effort required and instead end up resigning themselves to voting for a "lesser of two evils." That was the case last presidential election, and I'm hearing it a lot now.

The goal here is to increase awareness of the things individuals can do within the system in hopes that we don't end up with the same type of crappy presidential election eight or even four years down the line. The only thing we're subverting is the malignant party system that has effectively become its own beauracracy on top of the one specified in our Constitution.

Hecker · Feb 21, 2004

Nesagwa · Feb 21, 2004

Crovax said:
What Mercenary X99 says is true. This thread is basically saying "put up or shut up," and proposing a possible way that people can actually "put up."

As we've seen from the countless political threads that have graced this forum alone, most people are just content to gripe and complain about the problem, but not actually do anything to fix it. Our government has gotten so clogged with partisan thinking that the parties have begun to mean more than the people they're supposed to represent, to the point that its no longer representative.

If people really want to effect change, Grass Roots Democracy is the only way to go. Simply voting for president every four years is not good enough, as true democracy begins at the community level. What is being pointed out here is that most people aren't willing to put forth the effort required and instead end up resigning themselves to voting for a "lesser of two evils." That was the case last presidential election, and I'm hearing it a lot now.

The goal here is to increase awareness of the things individuals can do within the system in hopes that we don't end up with the same type of crappy presidential election eight or even four years down the line. The only thing we're subverting is the malignant party system that has effectively become its own beauracracy on top of the one specified in our Constitution.

Saying Grass Roots Democracy is the only way is a little too far. There are an infinite number of ways to fix the problem, this is just one way.

Crovax · Feb 21, 2004

Nesagwa said:
Saying Grass Roots Democracy is the only way is a little too far. There are an infinite number of ways to fix the problem, this is just one way.

That is true. I will acknowledge other solutions. However, the main problem is grass roots in nature. The fact of the matter is that the majority of Americans simply don't care, and would sooner let their freedoms slip away than lose whatever luxury they live in. IMO, it'll take a Grass Roots movement to get people to do anything counter to the status quo of their political party. from there a variety of solutions can be found, but the important part is that to make any meaningful change, one has to get the people back into it.

Nesagwa · Feb 21, 2004

Crovax said:
That is true. I will acknowledge other solutions. However, the main problem is grass roots in nature. The fact of the matter is that the majority of Americans simply don't care, and would sooner let their freedoms slip away than lose whatever luxury they live in. IMO, it'll take a Grass Roots movement to get people to do anything counter to the status quo of their political party. from there a variety of solutions can be found, but the important part is that to make any meaningful change, one has to get the people back into it.

Yeah, but the real problem is that people take too much stock in what is written on a piece of paper in washington dc.
They could take away any of my freedoms, and I would still do what I want to anyway.

The whole point is government is absurd.

Force · Feb 21, 2004

For what it's worth, if a revolution ever occurs, I'll fight and die for any government that doesn't put it's citizens in jail because they ingest chemicals the government doesn't approve. Until that government pops up though, I'm not fighting for shit.

Matt

GunstarHero · Feb 21, 2004

I vote every year. It's always been more important to pay attention to the locals than to the Presidency. I do my best to pass along this message of working from the ground up. The problem we face today is that we get a %60 turnout for the Presidency every 4 years, but the 3 years in between it varies in our local elections anywhere from %25-40 percent turnout. So we are leaving most of the responsibility and decision making up to the very top of the chain :shame:

You want to make change, stop talking shit and go down to your local Democrat HQ or Republican HQ etc...and volunteer to help out for starters.

Mike Shagohod · Feb 22, 2004

GunstarHero said:
You want to make change, stop talking shit and go down to your local Democrat HQ or Republican HQ etc...and volunteer to help out for starters.

Been doing that since age 14 when I helped a local politican in my local district bro, but thanks for the advice. Since 14 I've been a poliferator of change through the further advancement of "awareness" just as Crovax was givin' me props for trying to do in this thread. *But you're ultimately right, simply having given people the knowledge of something isn't the whole ball game, but it starts there. Then the hard part comes from actually banding together with others of a like mind, and through both the power of the VOTE and choosing your level of involvement to further boost "Change" is the only way change will take place. So far I'm calling out anyone from these forums who would be interested in starting up a Political Activist Group that truly would want to at least TRY and get the ball moving in their respective sectors within our given age brackets. It's time that our generation step up to the fuckin' plate and stop living in the shadows of the "Greatest Generation", and the idiocy of the "Flower Generation" who is currently the Regime in question since they never fully thought through their so called "Revoluton."

MERCENARY X99

GunstarHero · Feb 22, 2004

Mercenary X99 said:
Been doing that since age 14 when I helped a local politican in my local district bro, but thanks for the advice. Since 14 I've been a poliferator of change through the further advancement of "awareness" just as Crovax was givin' me props for trying to do in this thread. *But you're ultimately right, simply having given people the knowledge of something isn't the whole ball game, but it starts there. Then the hard part comes from actually banding together with others of a like mind, and through both the power of the VOTE and choosing your level of involvement to further boost "Change" is the only way change will take place. So far I'm calling out anyone from these forums who would be interested in starting up a Political Activist Group that truly would want to at least TRY and get the ball moving in their respective sectors within our given age brackets. It's time that our generation step up to the fuckin' plate and stop living in the shadows of the "Greatest Generation", and the idiocy of the "Flower Generation" who is currently the Regime in question since they never fully thought through their so called "Revoluton."

MERCENARY X99

I hear ya merc

You know the Libertarians are trying this, I think they are getting about 20,000 together and moving to Montana in an attempt to totally shape the environment in their favor, and in favor of their belief structure (low taxes, low government involvment, pro choice, pro guns, pro legalazation of drugs etc...) I read about this story awhile ago, but I don't know how the progress is coming along, but its exactly what you are talking about

Average Joe · Feb 22, 2004

Hecker said:

Mike Shagohod · Feb 22, 2004

GunstarHero said:
I hear ya merc You know the Libertarians are trying this, I think they are getting about 20,000 together and moving to Montana in an attempt to totally shape the environment in their favor, and in favor of their belief structure (low taxes, low government involvment, pro choice, pro guns, pro legalazation of drugs etc...) I read about this story awhile ago, but I don't know how the progress is coming along, but its exactly what you are talking about

I'll have to look further into this then. If they're against the 2nd Amendment however, they can kiss my ass. I'm not up to date on the Libertarians as I've spent most of my life living under the household of a Conservative-every-now-and-then Liberal for a father, studying world and military history and honing my skills for the ineviteable "future war" against whomever it will be against. But I've always been extremely POLITICIAL in my manner of speak and how I think, often causing a lot of ridicule from my peers (especially in Senior Highschool). I'm just tired of seeing my beloved nation be further dumped on by the very people living in it who don't even realize they are helping perpetuate the very "not in my backyard" BLING, BLING, reality TV show watching, "that could never happen here This is America" mentality in the first place. Sure we're all guilty of it to a point, but it shouldn't be the order of the day, a person should either strive for awareness/involement and be vigilante, or be deported to another nation where their "I don't give a fuck" attitude would be no doubt swiftly beat out of them or simply executed because those places won't tolerate it. We stopped building a house of brick some time back, and opted for straw... but someone's un-patriotic idiot kid is going to one day light a match and set the house on fire. But who's really at fault then? Some would say the kid who's parents didn't teach him better and weren't supervising... but the truth will be that the people themselves shoudl have kept building with brick instead of straw because it was less work and more play. NEWS FLASH TO MOST PEOPLE OUT THERE. *YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DRINK BEER AND BE STUPID ALL THE TIME. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO LET OTHERS FIGHT FOR YOU AND WATCH SOLDIERS DIE ON TV IN A DISTANT LAND BECAUSE "It's America". NO... "WE THE PEOPLE ARE AMERICA!" It's not some fantastical story where nothing is needed anymore, we all have to do our part.

aria · Feb 22, 2004

Wow, reading that website just sent evil chills up my spine -then I started laughing at its absurdity.

For every 2/3/5 good ideas they had, they would throw in one silly one. For every 20 they would casually toss in statements that would make a dictator blush.

Some (low) highlights (from that hillarious manifesto):

--Instill the concept that everyone who can work must work and be forced to work if necessary

Forced to work, eh? That's freedom for you. God bless Amerika when Big Brother can make me work in "ze camps".

--Instill the concept that there is no free lunch and that being productive citizens in a free society is the only honorable path to take

Mao Zedong, Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler would be sooo proud of that mentality. And... just like those guys, under this system I would be forced to be "honorable" and work no matter what my decision! So I better grab some gruel and head of to ze camps!

An effective criminal justice system should be guided by these basic tenets:
--Our courts must stop pampering criminals
--The punishment must fit the crime
--Justice must be fair but also be swift and, if necessary, harsh
--There is no perfect society only a fair one

Okay, where to begin with this mess?

"Pampering Criminals"? Since when did getting your ass served to you in jail connote pampering?

Since when did the criminal justice system remove the core concept of "reform", since I'm sure we expect some people to learn the errors of their ways.

Justice must be "Fair", "Swift", and "Harsh"? What about "correct?" How many errors are thrown out on the appeals level? Oh wait... that's the only time you can correct a judicial error...

How can you only have a "fair" society when the criminal justice system is crippled by speed? Justice indeed!

...and, ladies and gentlemen, that's why you don't let idiots design a criminal justice system.

In the right of every law-abiding citizen to protect his or her life, liberty, and personal property by any means at hand without fear of arrest, criminal prosecution, or law-suit.

You're right! If some little 8-year-old kid comes to steal my bread, from my windowsill, while on my lawn/property, I'll shoot the little fucker in the head. And if he's a 40 year old retard with the mind of an 8 year old, I'll shoot that fucker too. Shoot him dead. Wow, I should be on the frickin' Board of Advisors for the TSers...

That liberal politicians, theorists, and socialists are the greatest threat to freedom- loving Americans and that their misguided efforts have caused grave injustices in the fields of criminal law, education, and public welfare

And I suppose that conservative ideologues don't come up with facist manifestos of their own? There's a fundamental irony in a manifesto that states the above and also touts "That racial prejudice and bigotry are intolerable in a free and vital society"... since, as I recall, it was conservative thought that tried to keep those particular areas strong. So I guess, maybe, there've been liberal thoughts that've worked. Or maybe these guys are just a bunch of idiots with nothing better to do.

A free and just society must be protected at all costs even if it means shedding the blood of its citizens. The willingness of citizens to lay down their lives for the blief in freedom is a cornerstone of true democracy; without that willingness the structure of society will surely crumble and fall into the ashes of history.

...said the same individuals who've got some facist inklings... No, that doesn't seem remotely scary at all.

--Along with the inalienable rights to bear arms, and the inalienable rights to personal protection, a strong skilled, and well-equipped military is essential to maintaining a free society.

Really? What about money for education? I mean, its well and good when you can protect your borders from Canada, but if you can't afford to give citizens a chance to recieve quality education your free society is pretty screwed. I certainly wouldn't want my kids taught by people who come up with this badly thought out and logically flawed gibberish. There's a lot more required for free society, but these boys haven't come up with it just yet... awww.... one day they'll learn.

--The business of citizens is not the business of the world unless the rights of the citizens are infringed upon by outside forces.

Funny thing about the world: its interactive. While folks like this believe we live in a vacuum, anyone with the slightest semblence of international perspective would know that in spheres of economics and environment, among many others, we are tied globally. This kind of archaic belief worked in the days of Thomas Jefferson because the nation had only a few million people and the world was under a billion. Now that the US is 250m+ and the world is exploding at over 6.5billion... well people are going to affect each other in ways (now and in the future) where holding these sort of "noble farmer" Jeffersonian ideals will not cut it. The early proponents of this political logic were learned men, but they had not even the foggiest idea what the hell the world was going to look like now.

Still, all of this was greatly amusing. Thanks for the laugh! You're right: Facist thought should be the basis of the future!

aria · Feb 22, 2004

GunstarHero said:
I hear ya merc You know the Libertarians are trying this, I think they are getting about 20,000 together and moving to Montana in an attempt to totally shape the environment in their favor, and in favor of their belief structure (low taxes, low government involvment, pro choice, pro guns, pro legalazation of drugs etc...) I read about this story awhile ago, but I don't know how the progress is coming along, but its exactly what you are talking about

One correction: New Hampshire. You have everything else right.

GunstarHero · Feb 22, 2004

Bobak said:
One correction: New Hampshire. You have everything else right.

*Gunstar takes correction on the chin*

Thanks

Mike Shagohod · Feb 22, 2004

Great feedback Bobak!, glad you could chime in with some thought provoking responses of your own. I in no way totally agree with the Tri-State Coalition ideology, but do see a lot of what their saying to be a heck of a lot more proactive and self reliant than anything AMERICA does as a nation of people who's level of inolvement at their community levels are willing to do. Their system isn't perfect and has it's contradictions like anything else, but it's "Grass Roots Democracy" with a bit of Foot-To-Ass to get the people motiviated to do it. That's the note I not only understand but also agree with.

*First understand however, that this ideaology sprung from a book within a book from a Post Nuke Men's Adventure series still being written today called Ashes, so some of the extreme measures taken from it were put into effect due to the situations at hand in the novels (fiction) where the nation was half obliterated and trying to work it's way back up. While some may laugh at it's origins, it's still well thought out enough and on enough parallels that it really makes one look at the individual and what one's willing to do. For instance, the part about the International Comment you made. I see your point but don't agree with you either. To me, the Nation is still about the people being the heart of the head that governs as it was meant to be. Nothing has really changed on that note, at least not in the manner where people live in total fear (YET)... however, the very "heart" so to speak do nothing more than VOTE here or there and don't give a fig about the next person. This is stemmed from the inablility of the "Flower Generation" of the 60's who became the system to truly revolutionize anything worth a damn, and the children that came up afterwards (myself included on many counts but not all) were the pissy little brats that take everything for granted, but don't want to do shit for the very freedoms they have.

On this note, this is where a form of Fasicm comes into play, because someone or some group would have to FOOT-TO-ASS the people back to the path of understanding that either we all band as one and be great, or just let the nation crumble. *Most of your Anti-Gun people are a bunch of HAVES who wouldn't see the need for one because their rich and it seems antiquated by their take-it-for-granted status. These are the very people who's kids never get in the Draft for a war, missed out on NAM etcetera, etcetera. Under a system where military service (much like ISRAEL) is compulsatory no matter position in life or who your parents are... EVERYONE then has proper Gun saftey knowledge... everyone has chewed some dirt that is capable of walking or of a sound mind. Everyone like Switzerland IS the standing army on a rotating basis throughout their lives, while still pursuing and going about international commerce and enjoying the very things we have now. The difference is, is getting back to the fundementals of what the nation was founded on. Since the collective majority is too self-important and lazy to do this, the inital stages of this would have to be headed up by Cadres of people politically and militaristically inclined yet not psycho.

...it's a tall order, but it could be done. The TSer's way of doing things is just one of many possible blue prints as food for thought in how to better bring awarness just what is expected of the individual of a nation. *How does the system pamper criminals I believe you asked? Well today people are afraid to even defend their homes because the B&E Burglar might be considered to have "rights" of his or her own in the court case. Which is absolute bullshit. If me or you or anyone is to knowingly partake in B&E you forefit your rights as you do not respect the person's homestead... thus if that home owner shoots you dead with a shot gun and rifled slugs, or with a 30 round M-16, why should the courts then put the home owner on trial? Criminal Law Courts would scrutinize over the fact that the home owner used "excessive force" and a bunch of other things getting away from the point that the burglar made the desicion to take what was not his/hers. Rapists, if caught in the act should be taken into custody and put in a holding cell. If more than three witnesses identify the person as whom they saw do it, then it's simple. The family's victim is brought forth and asked what they want done. The punishement fits the crime, so let the rapist get ass fucked by a bunch of prison inmates in the same manner, to know the psychological mind damage done to the victim, making that assailant a victim of the same crime, and send them back into the world. If it happens again, hack off the penis. PERIOD!

If someone has been convicted of killing someone in cold blood and it's without a shadow of a doubt, especially if caught in the act with multiple witnesses, then that person doesn't take up the taxs payers money for 14 years on death row, they are executed within 3 days, and dispatched at the hands of one of the victim's families if they so choose. So I'm sorry man, I know you're an Attorney and all Bobak, and I've got nothing against you personally... but the system and more to the point the laws of the USA give to much lee way for the criminal. A criminal doesn't have rights because they forfeit them. Me and you might blow off some steam, talk shit or whatever, but we don't go out and do harm to others, those who do and are caught are dealt with. That's JUSTICE. There's no pussy footing around with winded legal jargon that most people would no doubt have to pay an Attorney to figure/translate for them and represent. If people would get involved in whatever way be it the Tser thing I posted or in another method, then things could get better.

I could go on but what's the point. My point is that in order for change to take place, simply voting for a particular party to represent you isn't enough. The people have to give a shit enough to get into the trenches with the very governing body it really is. Those people (politicians) work for us, not the other way around. Taxes should be paid based on what the BODY decides is needed depending on a community based level, and who better to know what THIS community needs aside from THAT one over there? Again to do this, some cattle prodding would be ineveitable, but that's the part where you'd call it anything other "Grass Roots Democracy" right? *No one likes the "Dirty" part of having to re-start from the basic ideaologies the nation was built upon. Everyone's excuse is that there's too many people today for that to work. Text book companies continue to "Sell Books" but don't do shit to correct their mother fuckin' 1400 errors that's proven to be there. Teachers and Cops make lousy salaries and the public educational system doesn't TEACH how to think for one's self, you're prepped for TESTS that is based on a status quo... don't meet that standarization then you fall through the cracks, "lotta' luck guy." ---Well that's just sick, and the nation does need a fuckin' boot to the groin, and a text book placed in it's face from the people who do give a flying fuck to show what is needed for us to get back what we once had and ultimately still have if people would bother to just LEARN, rather than get by.

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aria · Feb 22, 2004

Oh yeah, I realized you guys were only refering to the good ideas off of their site, but I just couldn't resist once I read the thing.

I agree with everyone on getting involved on the grass roots level. It doesn't have to be everything, just pick a cause that matters to you.

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