The truth about Hadokens, Dragon Punches & more...

Mike Shagohod

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...Okay looking at this from a step back and analyzing it all, a lot of these weird special moves in video games where people throw fire balls and fly into the air with a punch, actually make sense and can be utilized in the "Real World". I shit you not.

Point in case. *While studying over some ballistic reports on the FPS (feet per second) of a bullet leaving a rifle barrell I factored in "Air Displacement." Seems a man was not hit in a fire fight concerning guns, the bullet missed him, but his face was still lacereated by the air displacement of the bullet wizzing by. That would equate more or less a Hadoken/Fire Ball. Capcom basically animates an exaggerated decpection of "Air Displacement" and shows the force of it knocking into your opponent. Guile's SONIC BOOM would be the same thing, only the joke would be that he's displacing the air by breaking the sound barrier with his skills and thus you're hit in the backwash of his fury.

On the Kyokugen level with a Hao Ken! it's a much smaller fire ball emitted from the hand at close quarters (at least in the later KOF games). That would be closer to a DIM MAK or "Death Touch" that's initial energy displaces the air causing massive damage as well as the guy's fist hitting you, only we don't see that. A Dragon Punch is basically a person putting all of their weight into an upper cut and launching themselves up, nothing fancy in that. It wouldn't look "Cool" in the real world since you wouldn't fly 20 feet into the air, but that's more or less a "Dragon Punch" and it's been executed in more than a number of old movies actually. In fact Joe Pesi pulls one off in My Cousin Vinny when he get Marisa Tomei's money back swindled off of her at a pool hall later in the film. That short pudgy Italian literally puts his whole body into one punch, goes into a 90 degree arc and knocks the guy out. Ugly looking but "Dragon Punch" none the less.

:loco:

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Haha...thats great! Now we can shoot our guns at people and miss on purpose so we can mess up their face:loco:
 

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That is some pretty entertaining stuff. So what exactly is it that the Ryu types are firing off to displace the air?
 

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NebraskaDragon said:
That is some pretty entertaining stuff. So what exactly is it that the Ryu types are firing off to displace the air?

I'm guessing it's his CHI/KI powered up and then the "Fireball" is just the representation of the double open handed punch displacing the air around him, and thus the opponent his hit full force and hurt by the intial KI Energy. Thus he does not need to actually even hit the opponent. *On the note of a HAO SHOKEN, again it's more of a close quarter Death Touch that doesn't have to neccessarily connect at all, as the force behind the engergy focused to his fist is enough to do damage. I'd say most of the super moves in games could be explained realistically if you wanted to take the time to actually sit back and look at it.

Any of the Kyokugen "Hokuto No Ken" style punches "Rettsuken!" and Robert's kick is just an a series of 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, and 8 STRIKE movements in CQC taught by any serious marital arts schools and what the Special Forces of any military use. *For a representation of this see the movie The Hunted with Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio Del Toro. The section where we see the knife training, where it's a series of attacks meant to disarm a guy with a gun, slash here, here, here, here, cut this artery, and power assist upward thrust! ---Same difference with these Hokuto No Ken looking moves. *It's just multiple attacks to various points of the body. The kick in Robert's move, the first one would snap the lower leg, the 2nd would break the leg of the opponent and make the bone ooze out... the 3rd kick would be to the ungarded groin... the 4th kick hits stomach, the 5th would hit the sternum, or break ribs, the last two would hit the face.... OPPONENT DOWN! *Technically no one would get up from an assualt like that, but hey, the characters have Power Meters what can you do? This would apply to the "Rettsuken" move Takuma and Ryo do... it's more or less CQC punches designed to decimate their opponent for good, probably why the moves were originally designed in AOF as a "Desperation Move" when you almost had no life bar left.

Maybe this answers some questions you had. This of course is my theory on the matter, but hey... it's what you do when you're bored off your ass one night with no Internet Connection.

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Mike Shagohod

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SHINPU HADOKEN!

...come on, no one else has any therories to match mine, or is mine actually plausible enough that it could more or less be taken as "Gospel"???

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Baseley09

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The only theory i have is that Marisa Tomei is all of the fucking hotz, particularly in that Cosby spin off show.
 

Nash

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my theory is that you've spent too much time at the shooting range. :p
 

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He shoots fire out of his hands.

Does it really matter how? He shoots flames.
 

Hidden Character

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Heh, nice work, guy. I've done dragon punches with being off the grond by at least 4-5 feet in the past.
 

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Mercenary X99 said:
...Okay looking at this from a step back and analyzing it all, a lot of these weird special moves in video games where people throw fire balls and fly into the air with a punch, actually make sense and can be utilized in the "Real World". I shit you not.

Point in case. *While studying over some ballistic reports on the FPS (feet per second) of a bullet leaving a rifle barrell I factored in "Air Displacement." Seems a man was not hit in a fire fight concerning guns, the bullet missed him, but his face was still lacereated by the air displacement of the bullet wizzing by. That would equate more or less a Hadoken/Fire Ball. Capcom basically animates an exaggerated decpection of "Air Displacement" and shows the force of it knocking into your opponent. Guile's SONIC BOOM would be the same thing, only the joke would be that he's displacing the air by breaking the sound barrier with his skills and thus you're hit in the backwash of his fury.

On the Kyokugen level with a Hao Ken! it's a much smaller fire ball emitted from the hand at close quarters (at least in the later KOF games). That would be closer to a DIM MAK or "Death Touch" that's initial energy displaces the air causing massive damage as well as the guy's fist hitting you, only we don't see that. A Dragon Punch is basically a person putting all of their weight into an upper cut and launching themselves up, nothing fancy in that. It wouldn't look "Cool" in the real world since you wouldn't fly 20 feet into the air, but that's more or less a "Dragon Punch" and it's been executed in more than a number of old movies actually. In fact Joe Pesi pulls one off in My Cousin Vinny when he get Marisa Tomei's money back swindled off of her at a pool hall later in the film. That short pudgy Italian literally puts his whole body into one punch, goes into a 90 degree arc and knocks the guy out. Ugly looking but "Dragon Punch" none the less.

:loco:

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very true I had been thinking about this ever since I almost got "William telled" by a friend(One of the reasons I quit drinking, I always do dumb stuff) he takes a shot andmisses thakn god but my shirt was burned by the force of the arrow,

if you think about it this is true in everyday life

the modern anti tank shell is an arrow shaped projectil lainched toward its target and when it hits the forcepunctures the plating like tinfoil and is generating up to 600 degrees farenheit before impact




ClassicMode1985 said:
Tatsu Maki Sen Pu Kyaku <--- then whats the story behind the Hurricane Kick?

the hurricane kick is one of the many reasons why drugs are bad
 
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Hidden Character said:
Heh, nice work, guy. I've done dragon punches with being off the grond by at least 4-5 feet in the past.

so you have a 48-56 inch vertical leap?
 
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Hmmmm .... well I guess creating a sonic wave with enough energy to hurt someone is plausible enough .... in theory. The trick there would be to make the sound wave highly directional - even lasers aren't totally directional. There's just an enormous amount of attenuation that takes place in the air with most sound waves. But jets can do it, why not us :)?

If you really wanna figure out the truth about hadokens, learn some wave theory and read the textbook on acoustics by Kinsler et al :D. If you want the short answer, however, it is .... there's no fuckin' way :). He doesn't cover "chi", but he's got pretty good coverage of sound waves. "Fundamentals of Acoustics", I believe it's called. Actually any good text on fluid dynamics would do the trick.
 

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galfordo said:
Hmmmm .... well I guess creating a sonic wave with enough energy to hurt someone is plausible enough .... in theory. The trick there would be to make the sound wave highly directional - even lasers aren't totally directional. There's just an enormous amount of attenuation that takes place in the air with most sound waves. But jets can do it, why not us :)?

If you really wanna figure out the truth about hadokens, learn some wave theory and read the textbook on acoustics by Kinsler et al :D. If you want the short answer, however, it is .... there's no fuckin' way :). He doesn't cover "chi", but he's got pretty good coverage of sound waves. "Fundamentals of Acoustics", I believe it's called. Actually any good text on fluid dynamics would do the trick.

I'll have to read up on that... WERD!

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ClassicMode1985 said:
Tatsu Maki Sen Pu Kyaku <--- then whats the story behind the Hurricane Kick?

Yes I would be interested in hearing the dyamics of this move. We got the other two covered.
 

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I met an Indonesian guy who swore that some guys back in Indonesia could actually do "hadoukens" and reflect bullets by focusing their mind. I laughed it off and told him he was an idiot, but he still insisted, with 100% belief that it was true.

His belief in these things was so strong that it still makes me curious....
 

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Personally I dont think anyone should be allowed to summon a fireball without first getting the permission of your local vicker.
:loco:
 

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RBjakeSpecial said:
I met an Indonesian guy who swore that some guys back in Indonesia could actually do "hadoukens" and reflect bullets by focusing their mind. I laughed it off and told him he was an idiot, but he still insisted, with 100% belief that it was true.

His belief in these things was so strong that it still makes me curious....

I would strongly suggest not getting into any gun fights along side this friend of yours :D.
 
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