Geting around Ebay and their anti-paypal charge rule

neo-geo 2 · Feb 11, 2004

If you dont know already, Ebay cancels all listings that add 3% to the total if paying via paypal. This is total bullshit, and i figured a way to get around it.

ebay looks for text to find the "rule breakers".

All you have to do is use this little handy image:

ebay doesnt have real people look at pages, and i havent had an auction canceled since i started using this method.

Just thought id pass it along...

xRealNinjuzx · Feb 11, 2004

I never noticed they cancelled auctions for having that.

Thanks a lot! I never fucking realized -_-

Put that baby to good use

-Kris

Lagduf · Feb 11, 2004

I'm sorry but making the buyer pay an extra 3% for using paypal is bullshit. Ebay has that rule for a reason. I avoid auctions in which i as a buyer have to pay extra to use paypal.

neo-geo 2 · Feb 11, 2004

Buisnesses charge people for bank transfer fees all the time. Its standard buisness practice. Nobody is forcing them to use paypal, i always accept money orders as well.

slerch666 · Feb 11, 2004

neo-geo 2 said:
Buisnesses charge people for bank transfer fees all the time. Its standard buisness practice. Nobody is forcing them to use paypal, i always accept money orders as well.

When I go to Best Buy, EB, my local comic shop and anywhere else, I'm not charged the 3% (or flat fee, depending) for using a credit card. And I can't believe it would be "built" into the price.

If you don't like the 3% thing, start up another account, non-business, and put in your auctions that you ONLY accept PayPal through fund transfer, not credit cards. Since credit cards are the only reason to really have the business account, you don't need to use the business account. No reason to penalize your buyers for you upgrading you account.

RAINBOW PONY · Feb 11, 2004

charging the paypal fee is ok. i mean if you sell something for 200 bucks, you're gonna lose like 10 to the damn fee, and that sucks.

Lagduf · Feb 11, 2004

DashK said:
charging the paypal fee is ok. i mean if you sell something for 200 bucks, you're gonna lose like 10 to the damn fee, and that sucks.

Like Slerch said, don't penalize the buyer for using paypal.

You don't have to accept the cc payments via paypal.

neo-geo 2 · Feb 11, 2004

slerch666 said:
When I go to Best Buy, EB, my local comic shop and anywhere else, I'm not charged the 3% (or flat fee, depending) for using a credit card. And I can't believe it would be "built" into the price.

look at your credit card statment, your charged a precent for using the credit card.

Gas stations also charge more (around here atleast) for using a credit card.

slerch666 · Feb 11, 2004

Originally posted by neo-geo 2
look at your credit card statment, your charged a precent for using the credit card.

Gas stations also charge more (around here atleast) for using a credit card.

I'm not charged anything over what I've agreed to pay at the store. If I chrage $13.99 at Best Buy, it shows up as $13.99 on my credit card; no fees added what so ever. The ONLY way I get charged more is when they charge me INTEREST for keeping a balance on my credit card past 30 days (which has never happened, since I pay it all off on-line and never keep an outstanding balance on it), which is different than charging you for using your card. I also pay no annual fee for my credit card, which I suppose could be seen that way. Perhaps other credit cards are different than mine, but I don't think so. It would be illegal for Best Buy to put $13.99 on an item, then when I get to the register they tell me it's $13.99 and then when I get my bill, I find out the item really cost me $14.50 (or whatever). That's ridiculous and inaccurate. And on top of that, that would be illegal.

Any store that allows credit card purchases does agree to pay the fee to the CC company for the accepting the card. We consumers never see this charge, unless they built it into the cost of the items we are buying (which would suck for people paying with cash).

RAINBOW PONY · Feb 11, 2004

Sellers on Yahoo Japan all charge a fee if you use online payments, hell even bank payments. Cause they too, lose money on incoming transactions.

I actually DON'T accept paypal in my auctions, and I say that, but you'd be surprised people STILL ask about paypal after they've won, if paypal is a must for them, I have to charge the fee, and no one has had a prob with that yet.

When I pay via paypal, I add the extra 4% if people ask.

Large companies are also charged for accepting CC's, but we aren't large companies, we're just collectors selling shit, so I see no prob asking for the fees. When you think about it, those extra few bucks aren't gonna cost more than getting an MO at the post office and mailing it out.

Howdoin · Feb 11, 2004

Just estimate how much your item is gonna sell for and add a few cents to your shipping, $4 instead of $3.85 is not gonna scare anyone and you'll get a little back from all these fees.

BTW it is strange that Ebay cancels auctions for this reason as I believe it is common practice on Ebay and Paypal in the UK (Somebody confirms?).

Although you are not charged by EB, Best Buy... when u use your credit card they get charged $0.25 + about 2% of the amount; and trust me that cost is included int he price you pay for your item.

Mike Shagohod · Feb 11, 2004

neo-geo 2 said:
If you dont know already, Ebay cancels all listings that add 3% to the total if paying via paypal. This is total bullshit, and i figured a way to get around it.

ebay looks for text to find the "rule breakers".

All you have to do is use this little handy image:

ebay doesnt have real people look at pages, and i havent had an auction canceled since i started using this method.

Just thought id pass it along...

It's best to just bypass EBAY all together, set up a site the way Matt Boehland has for years here...

http://www.wolfgames.com

or start a "Professional" Selling Thread at various BBS Forums that have a selling section like here. *What I mean by "Professional" is Full descriptions of the product, links to pictures of the product at a host server, the asking price and knowing what to expect. It might take a bit longer but everyone is always in the buyer's market for something. **Be looking for my DepotM99 Blow Out Sale in "Everything Else" here at NG.COm and the MISC. section at S-C.com among some other sites most have never heard of that are non gamer related as well. And I've got it all man... VCD movies, Film Posters, Japanese Robot Toys, half my Mega Drive collection... Rare Gundam 0079 books (a trilogy) published in the early 90's... Anime Mooks, you name it. It's taking me awhile to get everything set up properly that way no one can say they didn't know what I was selling or what to expect. ---ANYHOW that's my thoughts on EBAY in general. It's a great place to buy, but being a seller there sucks major dick unless you know you can move merchandice like a TGV "Bullet" Train, and have the connections to get you more stuff to sell off on a regular basis.

MERCENARY X99

slerch666 · Feb 11, 2004

DashK said:
I actually DON'T accept paypal in my auctions, and I say that, but you'd be surprised people STILL ask about paypal after they've won, if paypal is a must for them

Tell the person who bids to learn how to fucking READ. I hate how buyers always think you need to bend over and take it in the ass for them.

Howdoin- I realize Best Buy gets charged for you using a CC, and I'm sure they make it back somewhere, but with the way neo geo 2 made it sound, it's like you get charged extra for the item on top of the price you pay at the register. See my example above of paying $13.99 at the register for a $13.99 item (forget tax) and it showing up on your CC as $13.99.

Howdoin · Feb 11, 2004

Re: Re: Geting around Ebay and their anti-paypal charge rule

[...] ANYHOW that's my thoughts on EBAY in general. It's a great place to buy, but being a seller there sucks major dick unless you know you can move merchandice like a TGV "Bullet" Train, and have the connections to get you more stuff to sell off on a regular basis.

MERCENARY X99 [/B]

Hey ! Mercenary x99 be carefull you made a compliment to the French by saying TGV, basically saying its a fast and great machine. Next time make sure you go with ACELA to support the good old USA
I guess its your new title of Paris Dakar Rally Driver, as this race is organized by the french... unless you just want to show them (us) who is the real king

... sorry, could not resist teasing

Mike Shagohod · Feb 11, 2004

Re: Re: Re: Geting around Ebay and their anti-paypal charge rule

Howdoin said:
Hey ! Mercenary x99 be carefull you made a compliment to the French by saying TGV, basically saying its a fast and great machine. Next time make sure you go with ACELA to support the good old USA
I guess its your new title of Paris Dakar Rally Driver, as this race is organized by the french... unless you just want to show them (us) who is the real king

... sorry, could not resist teasing

Hey I can dig it bro.

*But I really would like to ride the TGV train someday. The Acela unfortunately is only in a small part of the USA and not a cross country speed transit like it should be, since I know people here have a hard time with the idea let alone MAGLEV trains on a seperate system. *BTW, I think the TGV people helped along with the Japanese and their "Shinkansen" in the development of the ACELA if I'm not mistaken. Other than that about the french I love their women... the French Foreign Legion (bad asses to the extreme) and our resident Barf Happy who's going to make our VAMPIRE KILLER dreams come true on the NEO:GEO! :cool:

MERCENARY X99

Lagduf · Feb 11, 2004

slerch666 said:
Tell the person who bids to learn how to fucking READ. I hate how buyers always think you need to bend over and take it in the ass for them.

Howdoin- I realize Best Buy gets charged for you using a CC, and I'm sure they make it back somewhere, but with the way neo geo 2 made it sound, it's like you get charged extra for the item on top of the price you pay at the register. See my example above of paying $13.99 at the register for a $13.99 item (forget tax) and it showing up on your CC as $13.99.

I'm pretty sure they don't get the money back. My friend works at an amoco service station that accepts credit cards and he tells me they lose a bit of money on each credit card transaction. The amount they lose is negligible though.

Allowing customers to pay with a credit card is essentially a way to draw more customers. Customers want things to be as easy and convenient as possible. I mean when it comes down to it, the customer is always right.

slerch666 · Feb 11, 2004

Lagduf said:
I'm pretty sure they don't get the money back. My friend works at an amoco service station that accepts credit cards and he tells me they lose a bit of money on each credit card transaction. The amount they lose is negligible though.

Allowing customers to pay with a credit card is essentially a way to draw more customers. Customers want things to be as easy and convenient as possible. I mean when it comes down to it, the customer is always right.

I see your point about gas stations, but don't forget most have "inconvenience" stores attahced where they charge rather ridiculous prices for stuff. I'd say that helps pay the overhead, with the overhead being rent, salaries and credit card charges. That's just my supposition though. If a company really LOST a lot of money on CC acceptance, I doubt they would accept them.

CraigPilecky · Feb 11, 2004

Lagduf said:
Like Slerch said, don't penalize the buyer for using paypal.

You don't have to accept the cc payments via paypal.

No you dont have to. Like he said he accepts other methods of payment. But I see nothing wrong with OFFERING the buyer the OPTION of using Paypal if they agree to pay the 3% fee charged by Paypal.

The cost of selling when using Paypal is higher, therefore I see nothing at all wrong with this.

Big Shady · Feb 11, 2004

Re: Re: Geting around Ebay and their anti-paypal charge rule

Mercenary X99 said:
It's best to just bypass EBAY all together, set up a site the way Matt Boehland has for years here...

http://www.wolfgames.com

or start a "Professional" Selling Thread at various BBS Forums that have a selling section like here. *What I mean by "Professional" is Full descriptions of the product, links to pictures of the product at a host server, the asking price and knowing what to expect. It might take a bit longer but everyone is always in the buyer's market for something. **Be looking for my DepotM99 Blow Out Sale in "Everything Else" here at NG.COm and the MISC. section at S-C.com among some other sites most have never heard of that are non gamer related as well. And I've got it all man... VCD movies, Film Posters, Japanese Robot Toys, half my Mega Drive collection... Rare Gundam 0079 books (a trilogy) published in the early 90's... Anime Mooks, you name it. It's taking me awhile to get everything set up properly that way no one can say they didn't know what I was selling or what to expect. ---ANYHOW that's my thoughts on EBAY in general. It's a great place to buy, but being a seller there sucks major dick unless you know you can move merchandice like a TGV "Bullet" Train, and have the connections to get you more stuff to sell off on a regular basis.

MERCENARY X99

Wolfgames are excellent people to deal with. Definitely responsive and will hook you up with what you want if they got it.

prefect · Feb 12, 2004

slerch666 said:
When I go to Best Buy, EB, my local comic shop and anywhere else, I'm not charged the 3% (or flat fee, depending) for using a credit card. And I can't believe it would be "built" into the price.

See what you don't understand is Best Buy gets charged a percentage for allowing the use of credit cards. Since they do such high volumes of sales the percentage is worth paying because the will get more business by allowing credit cards.

I, however, am not a big retail corporation doing millions a year in sales. So for me to have to pay that 3-5% fee that paypal takes on top of Ebay's "Final Value Fees" & "Listing Fees" when I only sell a few things is ridiculous. That 3% that ends up beng offset by more business for retailers is certainly not offset for me.

:mad:

skam · Feb 12, 2004

Lagduf said:
I'm sorry but making the buyer pay an extra 3% for using paypal is bullshit. Ebay has that rule for a reason. I avoid auctions in which i as a buyer have to pay extra to use paypal.

when I sell something, I don't care how I'm paid as long as I get my money, right? so if the buyer wants to pay by paypal that means I get less money and I have to wait longer until the money clears into my account compared to if they sent a cheque, so if they want to use paypal then they pay the extra fees as it's for their convenience only.

if they don't want to pay the extra 3%, then they can just send me a cheque, simple as.

Plisken · Feb 12, 2004

Charging people for using paypal really gets on my tits and is absolute bullshit. You want the convenience of the service, then you shovel out for the fucking charges!

BlackSpy · Feb 12, 2004

Credit cards charge ‘merchant fees’, debit cards too. Bank’s also charge businesses for cashing cheques and handing in money, whichever way they cut it they pay the bank for accepting money. Credit cards have higher merchant fees than any other method of payment though, normally operating as a percentage of the total value of the transaction while other methods are normally a low, flat fee.

Business build these costs into their price, much as they build in any other overhead. So when you pay $13.99 or whatever at best buy a fraction of that (sometimes as much as 7% goes to the credit card company). With a private individual selling they come up against this charge it’s unusual so they can either build it into another fixed cost, like p&p or they can levy a surcharge.

Whatever your feelings about whether it is good or bad practise you can certainly understand the motivation not to be losing a money due to the buyers payment preferences. Also, not accepting credit card payments through PayPal is understandable, but it does limit you to buyers from countries that let people front load their PayPal account. PayPal does not let people in many countries add money or take money to and from their PayPal account.

It’s a pain in the neck, but I don’t have a problem with it, so long as the seller doesn’t try and bounce me with a 3 or 4 percent charge after the auction has closed without mentioning it upfront.

norton9478 · Feb 16, 2004

paypal is a finnancial service just like anyother...

all financial services have fees....

I believe that it is part of your contract with paypal, that you will not charge a fee for acceping payments through thier service.

By adding 3%, you are charging a fee.

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