Next Gen games, not as collectible?

Big Shady

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Having a very relaxing weekend and playing SS4 with a buddy, we came to dicuss the collectibilty of video games. While I consider my self a gamer first and foremost, I am a collector too. We got into a discussion that games this generation and the previous, just don't seem to have that collectible mystique. Lets go back to the beginning and progress until today.

The very first games are very collectible of course. Pong, Space Wars, Asteriods, the goodies. These are collectible mainly because they were first and have so much history attached to them. Its like having a vintage car from the 1920's. Then lets move too the arcade boom. Games like Space Invaders, Donkey Kong, Pac Man/Ms. Pac Man, Galaga, Centipede, Joust, Robotron, and so many other games are collectible. The were so revolutionary in bringing electronic games to a larger audience. Japan had a shortage of 100 yen coins because of Space Invaders!!! Arcade games start popping up everywhere, even in funeral homes! Now this generation did have its garbage games, but at least it has games when you say 1980's arcade, the aforementioned games come to mind for those who lived the era.

Now shifting focus to the homeconsole market. The multiple incarnations of the Atari, Intellivision/Colecovision. These systems have some of that collectible mystique. They are true groundbreakers of the home console market, but the games themselves not to highly collectible. Most of the games where forgettable except to the most hardcore gamers and most games are readily available, but in a loose formate, no packaging. I consider it not to be that collectible, but much more so than the recent generation of games.

Now we move to the impact of Nintendo. A huge sucess with the Famicom/NES. Nintendo sucess was so influential that Mario became synomyus with Mickey Mouse. The NES does have its fair share of forgettable games, but like the Atari its impact in history is what makes it collectible. Along with the Famicom/NES, we have the Sega Master System. The SMS seems more collectible because it seems to be more of niche market and has its fair share of memorable games, namely bringing another big gaming mascot into the mix named Sonic the Hedge Hog.

Now we go to what I consider the greatest era of gaming and collectibilty, the 16-bit era. Arcades had a huge resurgence behind Capcom, Midway/Williams, Namco, SNK and others. On the homeconsole front NEC, Nintendo, and Sega all had consoles in Japan and North America. There was so much selection and companies were trying to out do each other with fun and orginal games. The PC Engine was dominating in Japan (unforunately not so much for its North American counter part, Turbo Grafx), the Mega Drive/Gensis came out shortly there after and Nintendo unleashed the Super Famicom/SNES, and our lovable SNK brought the NEO GEO to the home market to the hardest hardcore gamers (the system that I love). Gamers gobbled these games, placing Sega as the company that could go blow for blow with Nintendo on the other side of the Pacific and surprisingly NEC made great games along with other electronic devices. So many good games, so many games and consoles that were well taken care of, makes this generation in my opinion with the most collectible games.

Now we move toward the 32-bit generation, or the generation of the polygon. The Atari Jaguar and the 3DO tried to jump the competition but fell flat on their faces, and because of this the have a somewhat collectible black mark, because they were so bad, they are cool to collect (I personally don't get it). Sega released its Saturn, Sony entered the fray with its Playstation, and Nintendo revealed the N64. Now there were some great games and Sony helped make video games mainstream, which is good and bad. The good is that more money is going into video games keeping them alive, but the bad is many companies try to turn a quick buck churning out average and crappy games that are very forgettable and do not seem to have any collectible value. Sega stuck by their guns and still produced many hardcore gamer oriented games for the Saturn, Nintendo still catered to the younger crowd with the N64, and Sony took the role of Sega of the 16-bit era bringing games to a bigger "older" audience. I only really consider Saturn games collectible because of their hardcore edge. Most PSX and N64 titles are very forgettable and hold no real value. Oh, but let us not forget that SNK was still pushing right along with the NEO GEO, the system that refused to change ;)

Now we come to the current generation. Sega leaped in first with the awesome gamer oriented Dreamcast. A fun system that died way too early. The Dreamcast in the future years will become collectible just like the 16-bit era games. Now we have the PS2, the Xbox, and Gamecube. When I think of these systems, only thing of two games. Halo and Grand Theft Auto, and the sad thing is GTA is a running series that started on the PC. There has been good games in this era so far, but nothing nearly as fun as the Dreamcast and the 16-bit days. The market has become flooded with so many average games and people keep snatching them. There is very little orginality, sequel after sequel, and even recent SNKP releases for our beloved NEO GEO feel less than collectible.

Well thanks for reading. I'm sorry I didn't include any handhelds, not really my area of interest, well except for NGPC. If you got something to add, chime in :)

EDIT: GRAMMAZ! ie misspellings, missing words, because I'm an engineer :make_fac:
 
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It's like Mak hacked your account or something. I got half way through the first sentance.

Sorry dude, I'll try again later.
 

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Well 32-Bit era has become more collectible compared to 4-5 years ago..I dunno, I know the next gen systems will have their gems down the road, after 128-bit becomes "ONE OF US HEHEH", it will be remembered just like 1980's, 1990's, 1995, etc.

Yet why is it..whenever I go to a small country town..I walk into a local Dairy Queen place (Hey its great food) and There is always Galaga or Ms. Pac-Man sitting there? Retro games don't die...they just fade away...and then re-released on collection cd's/dvd's 10 years later!

Master System, has finally reached it's "RARE" name I must say, especially TG-16 as well. Who would kill for a copy of a Sonic 1 for SMS, it really is astounding what people will do to get their paws on it..or even a SMS2 Model system (Sleaker design).Who cannot forget Alex the Kidd, Sega's first mascot boy wonder? Plus the Rambo games are still good to this day even.

Yet 16-bit. I will agree is the most collectible era of gaming.

Since I felt that in 8-bit days, no one really cared, since gaming magazine were so limited by early 1985. Yet boomed a huge market by 88' and 89' to finally accept the fact that gaming was not labeled as something for the "Nerds".

Christ, I don't know why people kept considering video games to be "Nerd" . Were people that stupid in the 80's to pick up a controller and enjoy Mario Bros or Alex the Kidd in Miracle World?
 

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Evan,you gotta give the Saturn and PSX a chance!

Think "imports",my friend..:D

There are tons of great games available for both systems,you just gotta do a bit of a research yourself.
 

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Maybe games dont seem quite as collectible these days because almost -everyone- has a home console of some sort, kids and adults. When a collectible items becomes so common, well, it loses some mystique.
 

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In regards to collectible or hard to find games these days.. they're out there, you just have to try a little harder than in the past. R-Type Final is a great example of a current title. It's a very good game, and one that should be in any shooter fan's collection (if they own a PS2). A year from now it will be selling well above its MSRP, mark my words on that. Especially sealed copies.
 

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I think its not so much the games but the limited edition systems that are becoming more collectible...Just look at all those dc systems.
 

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Come on now, PSX not collectible? How many people wouldn't pay through the nose for a sealed copy of Intelligent Qube or Castlevania Chronicles?

However on almost every other point I wholeheartedly agree. Now I am not a collector, I am a gamer, but I respect the people who do collect.

I've been gaming for about 15 years now, and it has been interesting, albeit somewhat aggravating as well, to watch gameplaying become more mainstream. What some people once persecuted "nerds" for doing, they are now doing themselves, in record numbers.
 

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B.I.GPSYCHE said:
Evan,you gotta give the Saturn and PSX a chance!

Think "imports",my friend..:D

There are tons of great games available for both systems,you just gotta do a bit of a research yourself.
BIG, I give props to the Saturn. I don't own one, but it definitely is a collectible. Much more so than the PSX in my opinion. On the other hand, I'm not that familar with the PSX import market. Someone please elighten me :)
 

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The problem is you can only look back in retrospect. The collectible games are out there, you just don't know what they are. I see Cubivore for GameCubue become quite collectible. That's the only one I can really think of right now. The problem with collectibles is that there is no market when they are new save a few items. They become collectible then people want them down the road. Seriously who wanted Intelligent Qube when it was released.
 
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Seriously who wanted Intelligent Qube when it was released.

*raises hand*

BTW, lithy, you beat me to the Cubivore punch :angry: That game is going to be mega collectible.

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qube said:
*raises hand*

BTW, lithy, you beat me to the Cubivore punch :angry: That game is going to be mega collectible.

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Hehe I remember playing the demo from a PSM mag. Good game actually, but not a game that is desirable or a seller. As for Cubivore I'd like to pick up a selaed copy still, my copy was the shelf copy, plus my brothers left the instructions out and I fiugre someone sat/stepped on them so they're wrinkled. :( Plus I still can never find the spare cash. Oh well, I still love to play the game.
 

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Just wait a generation or 2, people will be scrapping for copies of GC gsames just as they do for Saturn these days.
 

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Evan,

There are too many great import PSX titles to list,so I'm just gonna throw in a few for starters,starting with Neo ports.

Last Blade (Bakumatsu Roman) - The only LB port outside of the Neo.Great Anime-style intro,and a great port to boot.

Money Puzzle Exchanger (Money Idol Exchanger) - An amazing port of an excellent Neo puzzler,very similar to the Magical Drop Series.

Real Bout: Dominated Mind - Somewhat of a port of Real Bout Special,with extra stuff thrown-in (2-disc set).Great Anime FMV's.

Metal Slug X - Great port of the original,with added extras (get the import..bloody good time).

Samurai Spirits Fencing Pack - Awesome SamSpi ports,and the only port of Shin SamSpi.

Samurai Spirits Special - Essentially a port of SamSpi Amakusa Kourin,with playable Zankuro and Cham-Cham in Vs. mode.

Gunner's Heaven - Similar to Metal Slug/Gunstar Heroes. Great shooting action.

I can go on forever...
 

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Baseley09 said:
Just wait a generation or 2, people will be scrapping for copies of GC gsames just as they do for Saturn these days.



I seriously doubt that... the Saturn and the Neo Geo are the only two consoles out there right now that have seen a dramatic price/rarity increase for a nice chunk of their libraries. Other consoles have their pricey games... but none of them can even hold a candle to the NG and the Saturn.



The reason for that is because the Neo Geo and the Saturn both had incredible dedication from the people working on them, and even after they died out and vanished from the gamestore shelves developers STILL kept putting games on them (Capcom kept going until 2000 even). These "post-mortem"games were obviously released in very limited quantities and hence became "rare" and pricey (i.e. Panzer Dragoon Saga and Final Fight Revenge). Of course, the fact that next to nobody owned either of those consoles doesn't hurt either.



I might could see the Dreamcast becoming pretty collectable in the future (hell, at one point Street Fighter II X went for 100$ as did Vampire Chronicles), but I honestly don't see any games jumping up to Psychic Killer Taromaru or Radiant Silvergun prices. But it is possible... so don't quote me on that 5 years from now when Border Down is demanding 200$. ;)
 

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It's like Mak hacked your account or something. I got half way through the first sentance.

Sorry dude, I'll try again later.

lmfao.

BlackSpy deserves a fucking award for these type of posts he makes all too rarely.
 

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jp. said:
I seriously doubt that... the Saturn and the Neo Geo are the only two consoles out there right now that have seen a dramatic price/rarity increase for a nice chunk of their libraries. Other consoles have their pricey games... but none of them can even hold a candle to the NG and the Saturn.

That's total BS. The consoles have just aged enough to where they get to the point of being collectible. When the Saturn came out it was really mainstream in Japan and a total bomb in the US. So why would you expect a collector's market? In Japan is was mainstream and in the US it didn't even have a niche market because SOA screwed them out of most of the good releases.
 

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lithy said:
That's total BS. The consoles have just aged enough to where they get to the point of being collectible. When the Saturn came out it was really mainstream in Japan and a total bomb in the US. So why would you expect a collector's market? In Japan is was mainstream and in the US it didn't even have a niche market because SOA screwed them out of most of the good releases.



How is that total BS? Go compare Saturn game prices for any Atari console, the NES, the SNES, the 3DO, the and the PC-Engine/Duo game prices.


While each of the aforementioned games have their pricey spots (NES: Panorama Cotton, FF2, FF3/SNES: Anything by Square/3DO:(nothing?)/PC Engine/Duo: Dracula X, Steam Hearts, Magical Chase), I haven't noticed any of them having the same amount of $70+ titles as the Saturn.

Yes, the Saturn was popular in Japan, and a lot of great games came out. But over here, it wasn't, hence the demand for good Saturn games in Japan has to take on US and European Saturn owners as well. Whereas most everything else evened out. And thats why the Saturn has such a collector's market: because the market is mostly focused on one region.


Of course, even a lot of the good US games are pricey (Shining Force III, PDSaga, Dragon Force, Guardian Heroes, etc.).
 

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jp. said:
How is that total BS? Go compare Saturn game prices for any Atari console, the NES, the SNES, the 3DO, the and the PC-Engine/Duo game prices.


While each of the aforementioned games have their pricey spots (NES: Panorama Cotton, FF2, FF3/SNES: Anything by Square/3DO:(nothing?)/PC Engine/Duo: Dracula X, Steam Hearts, Magical Chase), I haven't noticed any of them having the same amount of $70+ titles as the Saturn.

Yes, the Saturn was popular in Japan, and a lot of great games came out. But over here, it wasn't, hence the demand for good Saturn games in Japan has to take on US and European Saturn owners as well. Whereas most everything else evened out. And thats why the Saturn has such a collector's market: because the market is mostly focused on one region.


Of course, even a lot of the good US games are pricey (Shining Force III, PDSaga, Dragon Force, Guardian Heroes, etc.).

I forsee the US XBox titles being popular in Japan in aboutl 6 years. Those in Japan that actually liked the console will need sealed copies of Bloodwake.

The point is, that at some point every console is collectible to someone.
 

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I'm not debating the "collectible" point of each console, I'm debating the pricey aspect as well as the "for collectors only" aspect.
 

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BlackSpy said:
It's like Mak hacked your account or something. I got half way through the first sentance.
Fortunately Maksimo didn't hack my accout :p

When your playing NEO GEO late into the night with some buddies, you tend to do some scary deep thinking about video games that no sane man or woman should engage it :make_fac:
 

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In 20 years, your PS2 games will worth alot! :)
 

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All I know is that I spent 15 years tracking down a copy of THIS...

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and it was a bitch to find without getting ass raped for it. Strangely enough I ended up getting this cart for a mesley $5.00, but I don't think the seller realized he had an E.R. game in his posession either. I would have to say personally that the games most "collectable" from my P.O.V. are indeed the 16-Bit and 32-Bit stuff for IMPORT games (especially Saturn). Anything that could be had "Mainstream" wise here in the states on PSX isn't anything I'd spend my time chasing down... and the only reason I bothered looking for SNOOPY is because I was trying to replace the cartridge that a friend of mine stole from me in 1988. Thus I don't see why anyone would want to collect say Grand Theft Auto III /Vice City or something like that unopened in about 10 years? There's just no novelty factor involved in it at all. I mean, it's not like the ATARI 2600 or FAMICOM/NES days where we saw this great box art then had to further use our imagination that the games looked the part of it's advert. Today's games leave nothing to mystery anymore, so unless it's a game that someone in the future looks back on and says: "You know, I'd really like to play that MAX PAYNE game my dad played when he was ten years old..." I just don't see how anything now could be Collectable because future game systems, no doubt within the TRUE V.R. Construct realm will make our games-controlled-by-controllers look and play like shit to that generation.

MERCENARY X99
 

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I don't own any next gen console, but I would consider Ikaruga to be collectible for some strange reason. As far as the n64 is concerned, I don't know... if anything only the gold versions of zelda and that's pretty much it.

I do agree for collection purposes on next gen consoles try importing.
 
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