REAL Ultimate Power! - Ninjas vs Ravers

you decide!

The Official Ninja Webpage: REAL Ultimate Power!!!!

The Official Raver Homepage REAL ULTIMATE POWER

LOLS ... why are they so intent on getting Kucinich in the White House? He doesn't look much like a raver .....

I must say... welcome to last year !

No matter how many times I look at that page it keeps getting funnier and funnier everytime.

And to think I used to be a raver.

Yeah me too... untill I realized how gay most of the people were. Plus I'm not into drugs so being around them just pissed me off.
But I still love the DJs.

commercialization and american ravers killed the dance music(note, not "electronica", fuck that word) scene.

bastards.

SPINMASTER X said:

commercialization and american ravers killed the dance music(note, not "electronica", fuck that word) scene.

bastards.

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well, "dance", "eurodance" just reffer to a couple of styles of electronic music and aren't terms that reffer to all the genres.

"dance" & "eurodance" are terms that reffer to stuff that's borderline pop/house & pop/trance.
back in the 90's it was mainly pop/house with such groups as Culture Beat, Haddaway, 2 Unlimited, Masterboy, etc...
these days it's mainly pop/trance with such groups as Lasgo, Ian Van Dahl, Sylver, Milk Inc, etc...

although the term "electronica" is actually a generic term that's primarily used to reffer to all genres of electronic music... there's just the problem with alot of people that think it's an actual genre itself and use it as such.

i myself though when i do want to reffer to 'all genres' then yes i do use the term 'electronica', but when i'm reffering to a particular genre/sub-genre then i'll call it by it's actual name....

however, then there's the problem where, depending on where you live, people have different names for the same type of music.
for instance i listen to a style of electronic music that's called "retro", but alot of times people will call it "electrowave" or "electroclash"... bah!

P.S. "dance" is commercialized electronic music.

Freakit said:

well, "dance", "eurodance" just reffer to a couple of styles of electronic music and aren't terms that reffer to all the genres.

"dance" & "eurodance" are terms that reffer to stuff that's borderline pop/house & pop/trance.
back in the 90's it was mainly pop/house with such groups as Culture Beat, Haddaway, 2 Unlimited, Masterboy, etc...
these days it's mainly pop/trance with such groups as Lasgo, Ian Van Dahl, Sylver, Milk Inc, etc...

although the term "electronica" is actually a generic term that's primarily used to reffer to all genres of electronic music... there's just the problem with alot of people that think it's an actual genre itself and use it as such.

i myself though when i do want to reffer to 'all genres' then yes i do use the term 'electronica', but when i'm reffering to a particular genre/sub-genre then i'll call it by it's actual name....

however, then there's the problem where, depending on where you live, people have different names for the same type of music.
for instance i listen to a style of electronic music that's called "retro", but alot of times people will call it "electrowave" or "electroclash"... bah!

P.S. "dance" is commercialized electronic music.

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NO. Wrong.

Not to be all elite sounding or anything but I lived in Europe during the height of the Dance music scene(early to mid 90's) and dance is used to describe the whole of the music with all of its genres and subgenres. Americans got all of this shit 2nd hand. I was here in Europe when techno begat hardcore and hardcore(note: not "happy hardcore") begat jungle/drum'n'bass and so on and so forth. Its called "dance" whether its pop or not. This is firsthand knowledge.

Electronica is some bullshit word companies came up with in like 96-97 when they decided they wanted to bring it stateside. Before that we called it Dance, regardless of if it was pop or underground. And it still remains so. Fuck the word electronica.

Ask Liam Howlett of Prodigy or Roni Size of reprazent or Goldie what their music is called, I guarantee they won't say "electronica" . In any and ever interview they say "Dance". When they win an award its an award in the "Dance" genre. And they are not pop like 2Unlimited, Haddaway, Ace of Base or any of the other Pop dance groups. However the compound word "eurodance" does describe the mainstream pop groups but "dance" is all encompasing.

SPINMASTER X said:

NO. Wrong.

Not to be all elite sounding or anything but I lived in Europe during the height of the Dance music scene(early to mid 90's) and dance is used to describe the whole of the music with all of its genres and subgenres. Americans got all of this shit 2nd hand. I was here in Europe when techno begat hardcore and hardcore(note: not "happy hardcore") begat jungle/drum'n'bass and so on and so forth. Its called "dance" whether its pop or not. This is firsthand knowledge.

Electronica is some bullshit word companies came up with in like 96-97 when they decided they wanted to bring it stateside. Before that we called it Dance, regardless of if it was pop or underground. And it still remains so. Fuck the word electronica.

Ask Liam Howlett of Prodigy or Roni Size of reprazent or Goldie what their music is called, I guarantee they won't say "electronica" . In any and ever interview they say "Dance". When they win an award its an award in the "Dance" genre. And they are not pop like 2Unlimited, Haddaway, Ace of Base or any of the other Pop dance groups. However the compound word "eurodance" does describe the mainstream pop groups but "dance" is all encompasing.

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yeah the term "Electronica" didn't really come into play until around the mid 90's when groups like Prodigy, Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Fluke, etc started to make it big here in America.. but the term wasn't so much invented specifically to hype these artists, but also to give a broad categorization for such artists rather then try and label them by their actual genres.

if you think about it, you really couldn't just toss each of those artists into 1 particular genre for the fact that such artist's styles are influenced from different genres and don't really fall entirely into just 1 genre... that plus the average joe music buyer isn't interested in learning[or doesn't know] each of the different genres and if he/she walked into a music store a saw signs that said "hardgroove", "hardstyle", "minimal", "detroit", "acid", "tribal", "schranz", "westcoast", "filter", "breaks", "epic", "melodic", etc.. etc.. they'd most likely go 'wtf!?'.. but with a single term "Electronica" they go 'oh ok cool.'

sure there's people that like to use "Dance" as a generic term for electronic music, but the term "Dance" has actually been used for all sorts of music even as far back as the 50's, 40's, etc... and since the arrival of electronic music has mainly been used towards electronic music w/ vocals that's borderline pop. and people like Liam & Roni who use "Dance" in interviews most likely use that term because they feel if they actually try and label the genre they produce that people won't know what the heck they're talking about + they've been producing electronic music since before the term "Electronica" came around and probably never bothered to pickup the term themselves.

as with any other arguement though, there's gonna be people on both sides of the boat so i'm not gonna bother trying to pull everyone to my side, i just wanted to clear up the "Electronica" term a bit more & express my opinion/experiences with the term "Dance". this whole thing is kinda weird though considering usually when i talk to people about electronic music i actually say "electronic music" if i feel they aren't familiar with specific genres.