Wtf is this Emo bullshit??
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I don't know if these guys are indie, but I saw a show by Pas/Cal and I thought it was ok.
http://www.pascalgoespop.com/
Local Detroit band
More like Indie Pop, with the EMO look
http://www.pascalgoespop.com/
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it's punk but whiny. Oh wait they don't like to call it that, they call it "emotional", hence the name Emo.
They have a shirt that says "emo is awesome." I wanna get a shirt made that says "emo is ******* sucky." (so I can wear it at school).
They have a shirt that says "emo is awesome." I wanna get a shirt made that says "emo is ******* sucky." (so I can wear it at school).
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I haven't been around alot of 'EMO' dudes- but here in LA there's a scene that terms itself 'hardcore' (which I'm assuming grew out of hardcore punk) but the music doesn't really sound anything like punk to me- mostly just hardcore 'screaming'
I say this cause there seems to be alot of overlap between the scenes or something. Alot of EMO-looking dudes and chicks at the shows
But really god-awful terrible music
The funny thing about the 'hardcore' people is, get this- they are completely 'straightedge' as they call it- i.e.: they don't drink, do drugs or eat any meat. They are all Atheists (in a bad way) and many of them get about as much sex as a catholic priest in a world without alter-boys.
But the music is all crazy, epileptic screaming
A really wierd scene- I just don't get them
I say this cause there seems to be alot of overlap between the scenes or something. Alot of EMO-looking dudes and chicks at the shows
But really god-awful terrible music
The funny thing about the 'hardcore' people is, get this- they are completely 'straightedge' as they call it- i.e.: they don't drink, do drugs or eat any meat. They are all Atheists (in a bad way) and many of them get about as much sex as a catholic priest in a world without alter-boys.
But the music is all crazy, epileptic screaming
A really wierd scene- I just don't get them
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neobuyer said:
What qualifies someone as a good Atheist or a bad one? I'm dying to hear....
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AnechoicJinx said:
A bad Atheist is someone who pushes their hatred on others. Kind of the zealot of the non-believeing world if you will. Atheists who do this can be as overbearing and annoying as religious zealots of any denomination. A bad Atheist is also someone who blatently and purposefully denounces or defames someones beliefs or deities. Being sacreligious and blasphemous around people who respect religion is detrimental to everyone involved. Being a good Atheist would be the opposite of that. Respecting any and all religions while choosing not to take an active role of participation or belief in any of them
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AnechoicJinx said:
hah, I'll be more than happy to tell you- but it's a long one, sorry.
Now many Atheists- fuck a LOT of them actually- tie up their Atheism into a much more 'defined' set of social and political beliefs that gives them a pretty well defined world view or dogma. It approaches the level of almost being a religious set of beliefs of a sort. It is in the dogma of these Atheists I find grounds for being 'the bad kind'
When I ventured out on the the 'net, years ago- thinking I might find some Atheist online community or 'group' of some sort- I came to realise that many Atheists are A) socialists or outright communists B) Cultural Relativists C) Environmental wackos D) Have really out there, Noam Chompsky-worshipping belief systems. Many of the times, all of these at once.
That's my definition of 'bad' atheists
-please forgive rant, I am bored and have too much time at my disposal today- read below if you're bored-
Now- I am an Atheist- by that I mean I don't believe in a god, or gods or what many would term 'spirituality' in the supernatural, out of body sense
That's it- my stance as Atheist is defined only by that. It is not a 'religion' or a faith. It is an absolute lack of faith
I don't have 'faith' that there's no god, or universal intelligence. I simply have absolutely no reason to believe in anything of the sort. There could very well be some sort of vast, cosmic intelligence. I honestly couldnt say one way or the other- as I'm a simple mamalian biped on a small blue planet orbiting a small yellow star in a vast, uncaring cosmos.
I make the decision that all world religions are totally false in their worship of supposedly defined, anthropomorphic 'dieties' and that all Humans have it in their nature to want to believe in such things based upon fear of death, uncertainty and the unkown. Who wouldn't want to live forever in a 'heaven'? Or be reincarnated or some other fantastic stuff? Fuck- I want to live forever and fly and shoot lasers out of my eyes.
To me- Atheism is simply a general understanding that our world is not governed by supernatural forces or 'human-personality-having' gods.
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that is why I listen to old music or certain bands, the popular shit can annoy the crap out of me
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Yea,i mean,im a huge punk fan,i love bands like NOFX,The distellers,Rancid(kinda suck now but their old stuff is good),and stuff like that,but i hate the whiny bullshit that their practically crying because their girlfeiend left them,get over it,its retarted,pop punk and emo suck.........
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bokmeow said:
I agree.
It's rediculous seeing kids around here in their Emo band shirts, and having Mohawks. Yeah that's right, mohawks. The ones here seem to follow the lines of stoners, and churchgoers simultaneously. How these go together, I don't know.
To each their own I suppose....
neo1087 said:
my man i understand were your coming from, first off nofx and the distellers arnt punk and they never will be. ramones were great <1983, sex pistols, hmm they were on the pop charts in england, never liked them sid was a attenetion whore.
dont use ramones and nofx in the same sentence
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I like some emo, what of it?!?!
I'm sort of a fan of "Emo". I don't think it's a good label though. From my limited involvement in the local Emo scene I've found that many bands that are labeled Emo are only called that because they whine about their exgirlfriend in their songs. Musically their is alot of diversity in Emo. You have bands like From Autum to Ashes that sound very metal, bands like Jimmie Eat World and This Afternoon that have a very pop sound, and Bands like Thursday and Thrice that kind of have a hardcore sound, and bands like Planes Mistaken for Stars that have kind of a grunge sound. Also I really hate going to Emo shows becuase their full of 14 year olds.
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Yeah, I guess since the Sex Pistols and the Clash were popular, they soooo aren't punk.
Sex Pistols = Epitome of Punk Rock lifestyle. Live hard, die young and leave a beautiful corpse. The photograph of Sid Vicious carving up his chest with a broken beer bottle while performing Dallas in 1978 is one that defines that era. They also quit right when they were getting big (they were around for just a few years, remember). To say the Ramones are Punk but the Sex Pistols aren't is ridiculous in the extreme.
EDIT: And just so I don't derail this thread further, EMO is OK in small doses, but quickly grows tiresome. You can only hear "Waaa waaa a big tough guy beat me up and took my girl-friend and now I'm going to spill my guts into this diary and then make a million dollars selling it waaa waaaa" a few times before it gets old. I like Thursday and Alkaline Trio (I like AT a lot, actually), but that's really about it from the EMO side of things (AT could even be considered just plain "Rock"). Jimmy Eat World I would lump with Foo Fighters as just being plain pop-rock (both bands I like, by the way) and not really EMO. EMO, to me, was always defined by The Getup Kids and Anniversary, but that's just because they were the first bands I heard that were called "EMO".
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This is going to be long:
Emo was started by people from many early hardcore bands when they started to get out of hardcore. Since then, the term has gone on to encompass many different style of the music. Like all genres, there are some good bands, and many that are bad. Saying you don't like an entire genre based on one band or the typical fans of the genre is very ignorent.
yea i guess,its just retarted,i mean,its all about how their whining bout their girlfriends and crap........retarted
Yes, because emo is the only type of music that talks about relationships. Well, if you don't take into account the majority of popular music from the last 50 years or so. And not to be an asshole, but the spelling is retarded, not retarted.
but here in LA there's a scene that terms itself 'hardcore' (which I'm assuming grew out of hardcore punk) but the music doesn't really sound anything like punk to me- mostly just hardcore 'screaming'
Hardcore is another term that has grown to cover a wide variety of sounds. Since you didn't name any bands, I'm going to assume that many of the bands you've probably heard would fall into the metalcore subgenre. And how much early hardcore really sounded like punk? Not much, hence the distinction. And when wasn't screaming a large part of the vocal style? Or do you mean the more death metal like barked/growled vocals (which is another thing that has become more common with metalcore)?
I say this cause there seems to be alot of overlap between the scenes or something. Alot of EMO-looking dudes and chicks at the shows
There is a lot of overlap, especially by folks, sometimes referred to as tourists, that are into hardcore at the moment because it's the "in" thing, not because they really "get" it. Just like emo.
The funny thing about the 'hardcore' people is, get this- they are completely 'straightedge' as they call it- i.e.: they don't drink, do drugs or eat any meat. They are all Atheists (in a bad way) and many of them get about as much sex as a catholic priest in a world without alter-boys.
Straight edge has been a part of the hardcore scene since the beginning, so the fact that there are straight edge people there that like hardcore doesn't surprise me too much. Also, not everyone that is into hardcore is straight edge, so I think you're making a misleading blanket statement. Not drinking or using drugs are the keys to straight edge, and while vegetarianism/veganism are common and fairly logical offshoots, they are not part of the true definition of the term. In the same vein, not all straight edge people are atheist, either.
I came to realise that many Atheists are A) socialists or outright communists B) Cultural Relativists C) Environmental wackos D) Have really out there, Noam Chompsky-worshipping belief systems. Many of the times, all of these at once. That's my definition of 'bad' atheists
Chomsky is essentially a socialist. I've never heard of any "environmental wackos" that are atheists. In fact, the opposite is often true, as many hardline environmentalists do it out of moral beliefs directly tied to spirituality. I'm not saying that there aren't atheist environmentalists, I'm just saying that I've never heard of any. What I find more interesting than any of this is you consider someone a bad atheist if they are also socialist or environmentalist. Not believing in a god but wanting a governmental system that works for the people is bad? Wanting to save the environment is bad? Or is just that they're tying it into their atheism? I think qube's defintion of a bad atheist hits the nail on the head.
I don't have 'faith' that there's no god, or universal intelligence. I simply have absolutely no reason to believe in anything of the sort. There could very well be some sort of vast, cosmic intelligence. I honestly couldnt say one way or the other- as I'm a simple mamalian biped on a small blue planet orbiting a small yellow star in a vast, uncaring cosmos.
Then you would be classified as an agnostic, not an atheist.
Your telling me that NOFX and the Distellers and Sexpistols and the Ramones arent punk? check your albums man
NOFX was always more of a jokey pop punk band until they recently did a 180 lyrically, so calling them punk is pretty safe these days. The Distillers have the look and sound, but that's about it, so no to them. While the Sex Pistols were the first to make it big, they did have some songs with lyrics that were more in line with what people today would consider punk, so while I don't like them, I'd say yes. The Ramones pretty much created the look and sound, but basically wrote pop songs. On the other hand, they basically were the first to do everything the British bands would later do and claim to the be the originators of, so they're also a yes.
Emo was started by people from many early hardcore bands when they started to get out of hardcore. Since then, the term has gone on to encompass many different style of the music. Like all genres, there are some good bands, and many that are bad. Saying you don't like an entire genre based on one band or the typical fans of the genre is very ignorent.
yea i guess,its just retarted,i mean,its all about how their whining bout their girlfriends and crap........retarted
Yes, because emo is the only type of music that talks about relationships. Well, if you don't take into account the majority of popular music from the last 50 years or so. And not to be an asshole, but the spelling is retarded, not retarted.
but here in LA there's a scene that terms itself 'hardcore' (which I'm assuming grew out of hardcore punk) but the music doesn't really sound anything like punk to me- mostly just hardcore 'screaming'
Hardcore is another term that has grown to cover a wide variety of sounds. Since you didn't name any bands, I'm going to assume that many of the bands you've probably heard would fall into the metalcore subgenre. And how much early hardcore really sounded like punk? Not much, hence the distinction. And when wasn't screaming a large part of the vocal style? Or do you mean the more death metal like barked/growled vocals (which is another thing that has become more common with metalcore)?
I say this cause there seems to be alot of overlap between the scenes or something. Alot of EMO-looking dudes and chicks at the shows
There is a lot of overlap, especially by folks, sometimes referred to as tourists, that are into hardcore at the moment because it's the "in" thing, not because they really "get" it. Just like emo.
The funny thing about the 'hardcore' people is, get this- they are completely 'straightedge' as they call it- i.e.: they don't drink, do drugs or eat any meat. They are all Atheists (in a bad way) and many of them get about as much sex as a catholic priest in a world without alter-boys.
Straight edge has been a part of the hardcore scene since the beginning, so the fact that there are straight edge people there that like hardcore doesn't surprise me too much. Also, not everyone that is into hardcore is straight edge, so I think you're making a misleading blanket statement. Not drinking or using drugs are the keys to straight edge, and while vegetarianism/veganism are common and fairly logical offshoots, they are not part of the true definition of the term. In the same vein, not all straight edge people are atheist, either.
I came to realise that many Atheists are A) socialists or outright communists B) Cultural Relativists C) Environmental wackos D) Have really out there, Noam Chompsky-worshipping belief systems. Many of the times, all of these at once. That's my definition of 'bad' atheists
Chomsky is essentially a socialist. I've never heard of any "environmental wackos" that are atheists. In fact, the opposite is often true, as many hardline environmentalists do it out of moral beliefs directly tied to spirituality. I'm not saying that there aren't atheist environmentalists, I'm just saying that I've never heard of any. What I find more interesting than any of this is you consider someone a bad atheist if they are also socialist or environmentalist. Not believing in a god but wanting a governmental system that works for the people is bad? Wanting to save the environment is bad? Or is just that they're tying it into their atheism? I think qube's defintion of a bad atheist hits the nail on the head.
I don't have 'faith' that there's no god, or universal intelligence. I simply have absolutely no reason to believe in anything of the sort. There could very well be some sort of vast, cosmic intelligence. I honestly couldnt say one way or the other- as I'm a simple mamalian biped on a small blue planet orbiting a small yellow star in a vast, uncaring cosmos.
Then you would be classified as an agnostic, not an atheist.
Your telling me that NOFX and the Distellers and Sexpistols and the Ramones arent punk? check your albums man
NOFX was always more of a jokey pop punk band until they recently did a 180 lyrically, so calling them punk is pretty safe these days. The Distillers have the look and sound, but that's about it, so no to them. While the Sex Pistols were the first to make it big, they did have some songs with lyrics that were more in line with what people today would consider punk, so while I don't like them, I'd say yes. The Ramones pretty much created the look and sound, but basically wrote pop songs. On the other hand, they basically were the first to do everything the British bands would later do and claim to the be the originators of, so they're also a yes.
