All about shooters.

[Kid Aphex]

Talk about shooters here.

You dont think Radiant Silvergun is good?
Think it's overhyped?
Hate R-Type's brand of gameplay?
Have a favorite shooter?



Post here.

[Lord Yamazaki']

Galaga :buttrock:

[Orpheus]

I like Teh Shmups.

no, seriously though, I have not had a chance to try RS yet so do not ruin it for me.
I have been enjoying last resort alot this week though.

tell me, what are some of the best shooters for the saturn (beside RS and layer section). keep in mind that I also seek shmups that have aged well and are still fresh today. Thanks.

[Kid Aphex]

RS I thought was overhyped until I really got into it...so if you end up playing it, give it a second chance if at first you think it sucks.

Layer section is another awesome one...

Besides those?

Everyone seems to like Battle Garegga [sp?]...but I've never played it. I do LOVE Darius Gaiden though. The music is totally fucking insane with operatic vocals and crazy techno/orchestrated music.

Then there's the Gradius Deluxe pack. a deluxe pack of my favorite series? you can't go wrong there.

then there's the salamander deluxe pack---gradius' twin. basically the same game. the salamander pack has some amazing graphics...some of the best on the saturn, IMO.

then there's donpachi and dodonpachi. donpachi suffers from shitty load times and boring [if you ask me...] gameplay. but DDP is an amazing game...especially if you're a 'score' freak.

[Orpheus]

Originally posted by Kid Aphex
RS I thought was overhyped until I really got into it...so if you end up playing it, give it a second chance if at first you think it sucks.

Layer section is another awesome one...

Besides those?

Everyone seems to like Battle Garegga [sp?]...but I've never played it. I do LOVE Darius Gaiden though. The music is totally fucking insane with operatic vocals and crazy techno/orchestrated music.

Then there's the Gradius Deluxe pack. a deluxe pack of my favorite series? you can't go wrong there.

then there's the salamander deluxe pack---gradius' twin. basically the same game. the salamander pack has some amazing graphics...some of the best on the saturn, IMO.

then there's donpachi and dodonpachi. donpachi suffers from shitty load times and boring [if you ask me...] gameplay. but DDP is an amazing game...especially if you're a 'score' freak.


:buttrock: *hugs kid A.*

What about that one everyone talks of sougyrentai or sumpin (sorry, I have been drinking). It's the one that was sought after but got a re-release recently.

BTW, you boys gotta ge6t to bed. shit, i'm drinkin just so I can get tired as I have been having trouble getting to bed early.

[Kid Aphex]

lol yeah the only reason i didnt mention it is because off hand, i forget how you spell it.

its actually one of the best for the saturn. soukeygourentai? something ridiculous.

then there's thunderforce v...but i think it sucks.

there's another called blast wind, but i've never read a single review of it---only seen it for sale on ebay, etc.

batsugun is another...some people love it, some hate it.

there's all the classic "capcom generation" games also

BTW, if you haven't played Layer Section 1 [aka galactic attack in the US] you really should. its completely bad ass, and way better than LS2 because it sticks to 2D and does it amazingly well.

There's the cotton games...i think they're boring, but they've got a big following. i typically only like "ONE SPACESHIP VS THE UNIVERSE" type games...not "ONE WITCH VS A TREE"

Then there's the neo port of sonic wings...and strikers 1945 and 1945.2

Lots of good stuff...

[Orpheus]

Originally posted by Kid Aphex
lol yeah the only reason i didnt mention it is because off hand, i forget how you spell it.

its actually one of the best for the saturn. soukeygourentai? something ridiculous.

BTW, if you haven't played Layer Section 1 [aka galactic attack in the US] you really should. its completely bad ass, and way better than LS2 because it sticks to 2D and does it amazingly well.
Lots of good stuff...


*Hugs Kid A again*

Man gonna haveta pick sogurentie (whatever) up:buttrock:

as far as LS goes: thats why i excluded that one....I own it. got it new and complete for like 5 bucks. hardcore 2-d luvin man. Period.

Oh well. Drinky drinky got me tired now so it's off to bed. night guys!:buttrock:

[Steve]

-Radiant Silvergun
Unfortunately expensive, quality game w/ ace visuals, sound and gameplay. Perhaps too hyped up for its own good.

-Soukyugurentai
Dark feeling shmup. Tough as hell. Really cool

-Battle Garegga
thumbs up

-Shienryu
Bit of a Raiden clone, this one. Fun and adequately challenging.

-In the Hunt
Slowdown exists but still fun with some bad-ass looking bosses

-DoDonPachi
-Strikers 1945 Part II
-Cotton Boomerang
-Batsugun
-ThunderForce V
-ThunderForce Gold Pack 2 (TF Arcade and IV)
-Darius Gaiden
-Galactic Attack

[Orpheus]

Originally posted by Steve


-In the Hunt
Slowdown exists but still fun with some bad-ass looking bosses

-Galactic Attack


IN THE HUNT!

I LOOOOOOVE IN THE HUNT!


SSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOD.

Got that for nuttin too. feels so much like a neo game.

GA AKA LS, great too.

any saturn owners W/O in gthe hunt ...GET IT NOW! much better than PS rev.

O.K.
seriously now, nighty night.

[Takumaji]

Still pretty busy with Border Down atm. Very well designed game.

Man... I know that many ppl really love the game, but I can't for the live of me find my way through Ikaruga.

It's not that I wouldn't like it, I think it's one of the most stylish and well designed shmups of the last few years, but somehow, I expected something different. Oh well, guess I'm more into shmups where the main focus is to blow things up and get big points by surviving/one credit'ing it, a la Psikyo Striker-series, etc.

I just wish ppl would stop calling action adventures and all that 3D running-around-and-getting-bored stuff while using weapons "shooter". That's like calling stuff like Speed Ball 2 a sports game just because there's a ball involved...

[rimm_rs]

if you want to get realy old school, axelay and un squadern are great snes shooters.

einhander for the psx is also one of the best ever, imho.

[Baseley09]

Bought Pysvariar on PS2 this week, from logging into chat and turning the PS2 on i had thew revision version beat within 10 minutes (probably less), which was very dissapointing. Having too many crdits on default is no excuse, though on later play i came to enjoy the game, even if the use of colour is TERRRIBLE and its woefully shortlived.

Could've been better,i prefer its "gimmick" to Ikaguras no question.

I don't think Ikagura is a bad game, not at all, i just really don't dig it, great graphics though:smirk:

[Nomeaz1]

Recently I have been spending most of my time with Pulstar and R-Type III. Both are way out of my league for difficulty, but for some reason I just can't stay away. I still haven't made it past level 4 on either game :( . If you are a fan of the R-Type school of shooters I would also suggest XMultiply on the Saturn (actual name is Arcade Gears: Image Fight and XMultiply). One of my favorite shooters on the Saturn.

[Giby]

19XX
Giga Wing
Giga Wing 2
Mars Matrix

All great shooters, everyone tells me that Progear is another good shooter, but I have yet to try it. And hell, while we're at it, let's go old school, Galga, Galaxian, Space Invaders, Legendary Wings, Vulgus, U.N. Squadron and ASTEROIDS.

1944: The Loop Master is a decent shooter, but I don't know what Capcom was thinking when they made it, 19XX is 100x better than it.

Carrier Airwing is fun, but it's nothing that you can sit there and play for a long time, you'll get sick of it after about 20-30min, you're better of playing U.N. Squadron if you want an older sideway's shooter.

Eco Fighters Ultimate Ecology is a werid as shooter, it's fun and all, but the story to the game will drive you nuts since the oold fart appears at the begining of each mission, you'll like the guns you get and the bosses are very creative.

Mars Matrix might be my favorite shooter out there, when the dificulty lv is set to the highest it gets, you've got shit flying all over the screen and you've either got to avoid it or catch it all and reflect it at the enemies. The grafix are good, the controls are great the game has a good chalange, better than most 2D shooters out there, this game is almost better than 19XX.

[John_Smith]

Man I have always got into shooters and heres my line-up from way back to now!

Gynoug (Genesis) *oddball favourite*:loco:
Thunder Force IV (Genesis)
Hellfire (Toaplan Arcade)
Raiden (Seibu Kaihatsu arcade)
Armoured Police Batrider (Raizing arcade)
DoDonpachi (Cave arcade)
ESPRade (Cave arcade)
Guwange (Cave arcade)
Stikers 19xx all (Psikyo)
Gunbird 1 & 2 (Psikyo)

'Radiant Silvergun' is a great game, but then with it's evolution into 'Ikaruga', aside from the awesome eye candy, its never really done it for me. Just starts to bore me trying to chain enemies, it’s like a little bit of the puzzle game bit has snuck into it and it just doesn't work for me. I just love the old school "against all odds" manic shooters!!:buttrock:

[FeelGood]

Zanac.

This game rocked so hard on the NES. It was so simple, but addictive as hell.

[Freelancer]

I prefer shooters from the late 1980's - mid 1990's...the newer stuff like Mars Matrix and Ikaruga just doesn't do it for me.

The one game that truly deserves a port to home console is Seibu Kaihatsu's stellar VIPER PHASE 1...I've had many great memories playing this fantastic game. It looks like I'll simply have to track down the boardset in order to play this at home.

[tsukaesugi]

PS rerelease of Soukyuugunrentai.

The in-between -stage animation is phenomenal.

PS2 Silpheed.

No bombs! Wonderful graphics, but no bombs! I can't handle a shooter without bombs. It's like a fighter with no special moves.

[tsukaesugi]

Originally posted by Freelancer
The one game that truly deserves a port to home console is Seibu Kaihatsu's stellar VIPER PHASE 1...I've had many great memories playing this fantastic game. It looks like I'll simply have to track down the boardset in order to play this at home.

Cave's Guwange also deserves a port (preferably Dreamcast, although it ain't gonna happen).

That game is a work of art.

[FeelGood]

Originally posted by Freelancer
I prefer shooters from the late 1980's - mid 1990's...the newer stuff like Mars Matrix and Ikaruga just doesn't do it for me.

The one game that truly deserves a port to home console is Seibu Kaihatsu's stellar VIPER PHASE 1...I've had many great memories playing this fantastic game. It looks like I'll simply have to track down the boardset in order to play this at home.

it's on ebay right now.

[Ghost-Dog, presented by Tervis®]

Originally posted by Freelancer
I prefer shooters from the late 1980's - mid 1990's...the newer stuff like Mars Matrix and Ikaruga just doesn't do it for me.

The one game that truly deserves a port to home console is Seibu Kaihatsu's stellar VIPER PHASE 1...I've had many great memories playing this fantastic game. It looks like I'll simply have to track down the boardset in order to play this at home.

I wondered when someone was going to mention the Raiden games. I love them all, especially Raiden Fighters. I wish Taito would get off their ass and port them to a newer console.

[td741]

Geez... I think the first shooter I freaked on was Gyruss. :loco: (Actually, maybe GORF, mostly because it had different levels and the speech... or possibly Asteroids... umm...)

Anyway, I tend to prefer many of the 16 bit shooters like Gates of Thunder, Lords of Thunder, the Star Soldier series, Spriggan (series)... Umm... those are all on PCEngine. ;) Anyone access to an Amiga or an Amiga Emulator, I used to play Hybris, Battle Squadron. For AGA/CD32 there was Banshee. All the Amiga games mentionned are available on Back 2 Roots (http://www.back2roots.org/) .

I like the newer shooters from the 32-bit (Saturn/PSX) to the current generations. Yet, in a way I almost feel like now that they simply try and pollute the screen with bullets and obstacles instead of meticulously plan the layout of the enemies and enemy fire. And I'm horrible at concentrating on multiple things at once, which is why I'm horrible at almost any sports video game where you have a team that's constantly moving (soccer, football). So instead of making it more fun for me, I just end up trying to look at all of the bullets and try and see those stereoscopic 3D pictograms... [Not that I could ever manage to really see those anyway.]

On the Neo, I'm partial to Pulstar. I like Blazing Star as well, but I guess I'm more into slower tactical shooters.

[gmw]

Originally posted by tsukaesugi
Cave's Guwange also deserves a port (preferably Dreamcast, although it ain't gonna happen).

That game is a work of art.

I'll second tsuka's motion by stating that if Cave were to port Guwange and ESP Ra.De to a home system, ANY home system, I'd shit my pants with glee. Especially ESP Ra.DE - even though I love Guwange and my eyes bulge at how good the presentation is, ESP Ra.De is probably one of my five favorite shmups of all time. And Dangun Feveron needs a port too - S.O.S! Can't stop this feelin'!

I'm still holding out hope that Cave will bring some of these to the PS2, but it's pretty unlikely.

On the original topic: while I like RS, and think it's a really well-designed game, it's one of the most incredibly overrated shmups. Ikaruga on the other hand (and just in my opinion) deserves all the hype, because it's fucking incredible.

In terms of fave shmups, I'm mostly a Psikyo and Cave person, though Gate of Thunder and Lords of Thunder would be near the top of any list of my fave shmups. Playing lots of Border Down lately.

[Magician]

I truely enjoy shooters from the the 16-bit era to the present. The new Shikigami No Shiro 2 is truely awesome, Cave is one of my favorite developers, and my deep love for RS goes without saying.

[Liquid Snake]

I love shooters on 16-bit ....

Aleste
Wings of Wor
Thunderforce II - IV
Gaires
Gradius II
Axeley
Target Earth
1941
Gate of Thunder
Lord of Thunder

[kaos]

holy shiiiit

that's TEH THREAD

whoa
I honestily don't know where to start

let's say first I usually like verticals the most
but I just love the Gradius series followed very closed by r-types

I liked border down too

but the sweetest discover of last year
was a game by Psikyo on Saturn

sengoku blade (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67568&highlight=sengoku+blade)

I suggest everyone to try it

I consider Cave my fave softhouse
and Guwange and esp ra.de. their best titles
....althogh I've only played'em couple of times
being only on jammas and more of that I need an old monitor so to turn it on the side

I'm currently playing to death dodonpachi dai-ou-jou on PS2
and I consider the series as one of the best

progear no arashi is another top-notch horizontal shump
and is the only reason why I bought a supergun

strikers is another series I just like
as anything Psikyo(R.I.P.) has produced so far
as gunbird2, gunspike on DC
gigawing 1&2 and marsmatrix

even if quite short I really liked psyvariar a very understimated shump
hoping 2nd would be even better

I think Saturn and PCE are the best console in terms of quantity
and in some cases quality of shumps
for example Spriggan on PCE is just stunning
battle garegga on Sat

radiant silvergun
It looks like only now people speaking about this
cause is a piece of collection..it sells 150+ on e-bay
but where were all of you back in '98
when it appeared at the arcades??
It was the first time that mags speaking about TEH progressive shooter
where you start with you weapons completely discharged
and you're forced to play it more and more time
Guess I did something like 20+ of game
I also found almost every dogs

and yaea Treasure is another great softhouse
ikaruga is a technically marvel
although I still prefer RS

also megadrive had some really fine shumps
Musha Aleste above all

oh...
I forgot raiden fighters 2
maybe the only one can compare with Cave productions

edit:
forgot shikigami no shiro...I'm mad
and also thunder force series

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by Master Giby
1944: The Loop Master is a decent shooter, but I don't know what Capcom was thinking when they made it, 19XX is 100x better than it.
Raizing/8ing developed this, Capcom just released it. Like Marz Matrix and Giga Wing were developed by Takumi and released by Capcom.

Wow, :multi_co: look at all the love for shmups. Personally shmups are my fav general. I was not expecting this kind of response. I was expecting "Axelay rocks! Best thing since Gradius" as most of these threads are (not that they are bad games it just seems like most people think after the SNES RS, Iky and the DC shmups are the only thing made.)

Currently Cave is my fave dev team out there. I am working on ESP rade for a 1 credit clear. I can get to the level 4 boss with 5.6mil with 1 credit right now. I got the PCB about 2 months ago. Unfortunatly my vert cab's control panel is disassembled and I need new parts. DonPachi is my fav shmup ever at the moment. Dangun is just a bitch and a half. I can not clear the level 3 boss on one credit to save my life.

Raizing/8ing is another fav of mine. Armed Police Batrider is a true work of art. One of the largest ammount of hidden/secret things in a single shmup (well, I guess with the 100 ships of r-type final that is not true any more, but that was not an arcade release). Dimahoo and Garegga are also excellent games, but Dimahoo is slightly better.

Pretty much the only arcade games that I collect are vert shmups, and MVS games. I think that while aiming for a 1 credit clear that ultimatly a shmup offers the most replay vale for your buck.

Kid Apex: Dude... load times, that sucks. It would discourage me too. If you enjoy the gameplay I highly recomend that you get the PCB if you have the means to play it.

On my to buy list:

Dimahoo
Guwange
DDP
DDP - DOJ (Once I get my PS2 modded)
XII STAG (")
R-Type Final
Gradius V

That should keep me busy for this first half of the year.

Subsequently I recenly compiled my top 25 shmups list. Divided into 5 groups (5 points is the 1st place group) and then in alpha order in that group. Here it is:

5 PTS:
Armed Police Batrider
Battle Garegga
DonPachi
ESP ra.de.
Strikers 1945 II

4 PTS:
Blazing Star
Dimahoo
DoDonPachi
Gunbird 2
Raiden Fighters

3 PTS:
Areo Fighters 2
Giga Wing
Gradius Galaxies
Salamander
Tiger Heli

2 PTS:
1941
Giga Wing 2
Mystic Riders
Section Z (NES)
Sexy Parodius

1 PTS:
Dogyuun
R-Type
Twinkle Star Sprites
Twin Bee Yahho!!
Vasara 2

[kaos]

Originally posted by Shapermc
On my to buy list:
XII STAG (")


It's on mine from veeeery long
It looks like impossible to find
if you find it is for 70-80 bucks on some HK shops

I've never seen it on e-bay...really
I'm getting crazy

[Shapermc]

Really? Well, good news;


Italian game publisher Halifax has brought 12 Stag (http://www.halifax.it/dettaglio.htm?ID=3753&divis=5&corr=35) to Italy. The multi-language release came to pass in December of 2003, with plans to release it in England this February. Thanks to Triggerzone for the news.

You should have no problem finding it soon.

[kaos]

Originally posted by Shapermc
Really? Well, good news;



You should have no problem finding it soon.

lol
thanks a lot man
but in 20 years so far of videogaming

I've NEVER bought anything in Europe
never entered in a shop if doesn't sell import software

all my collection is only jap
everything but RPGs that are americans versions...obviously
important is NTSC
I can't even see the PAL letters:D

and especially for shumps, only if is jap

yeah I'm a f00kin jerk

thanks anyway

[Shapermc]

Oh, well then, you have 2 options:

CHEAP (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-7r-70-2tb-4-5-77--15-XII%2Bstag.html)

Not so cheap, but the jp version, not Korean (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-r-70-29w-4-5-77--15-XII%2Bstag.html)

[kaos]

Originally posted by Shapermc
Oh, well then, you have 2 options:

CHEAP (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-7r-70-2tb-4-5-77--15-XII%2Bstag.html)

Not so cheap, but the jp version, not Korean (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-r-70-29w-4-5-77--15-XII%2Bstag.html)

wow
I didnt know this site
I usually check lik-sang, lan-kwei, gamechoiceclub

are they reliable??
have you ever bought from them
if yes I'm seriously thinking to get it along w/ something else

thanks again
you rule:)

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by kaos
are they reliable??
have you ever bought from them
if yes I'm seriously thinking to get it along w/ something else
Yes, and yes. I use to shop at lik-sang, but play-asia has cheaper shipping, and a better selection. They also have better communication and they are a sponsor of one of my fave news sites insertcredi.com :)

Good luck.

[SNKJorge]

Some of my favorite shooters:

•Blazing Star
•Gunbird 2
•Sonic Wings 2
•Pro Gear No Arashi
•Sengoku Blade
•Battle Garegga
•Border Down

[Ghost-Dog, presented by Tervis®]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
Some of my favorite shooters:

•Blazing Star
•Gunbird 2
•Sonic Wings 2
•Pro Gear No Arashi
•Sengoku Blade
•Battle Garegga
•Border Down

If you like Battle Garegga, let me suggest Battle Bakraid. It's developed by the same team, but I don't think a port was ever made. You'll have to track down the PCB.

[kaos]

Originally posted by Shapermc
Yes, and yes. I use to shop at lik-sang, but play-asia has cheaper shipping, and a better selection. They also have better communication and they are a sponsor of one of my fave news sites insertcredi.com :)

Good luck.

done it
I bought the combo with space invaders aniversary

you made my day man!!

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by Ghost-Dog
If you like Battle Garegga, let me suggest Battle Bakraid. It's developed by the same team, but I don't think a port was ever made. You'll have to track down the PCB.
I would recomend Armed Police Batrider over Bakarid. Esp right now. It seemed like the US was flooded with APB boards and I paid $120 last year where now it is found as cheap as $80. APB feels more like Garegga, while Bakaraid looks more like Garrega.

Anyways, it is all Raizing/8ing. Most of their stuff is topps in my book.

[kaos]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
Some of my favorite shooters:
•Sengoku Blade


koiori=the sweetest chick eva!!:buttrock:

http://www.stickycarpet.com/dam/sengoku_blade1.jpg

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by kaos
done it
I bought the combo with space invaders aniversary

you made my day man!!
You'll love that Space Invaders aniv. pack. Especially if you have someone else you can play with. THere is a vs. mode with one person on top of the screen and one on the bottem. The invaders in the the middle... battle to the death! LOL

I really want that game too. I need a modded PS2 BAD!

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by kaos
koiori=the sweetest chick eva!!:buttrock:

http://www.stickycarpet.com/dam/sengoku_blade1.jpg
;)
http://www.eight-one.com/extra/SexyKoyori.jpg
That is out of THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3242733638 ) art book. It is a really bad ass art book.

[Buro Destruct]

I can't believe ONE person here has mentioned Mars Matrix. I seriously can't get enough of that game.

[kaos]

Originally posted by Buro Destruct
I can't believe ONE person here has mentioned Mars Matrix. I seriously can't get enough of that game.

I assume you didn't read mah post

[kaos]

Originally posted by Shapermc
;)
http://www.eight-one.com/extra/SexyKoyori.jpg
That is out of THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3242733638 ) art book. It is a really bad ass art book.

OMFG

how much do you want me to spend today??:eek:
20 bux eh...
lemme think
anyway even special disk inc. in the game is not bad

[Buro Destruct]

Originally posted by kaos
I assume you didn't read mah post

Missed it, oops. Okay so three people have got the love for Mars Matrix.

A question I have is where would you all place games like Contra or Metal Slug? Are these techinically shooters as well or do they belong under their type of category?

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

I think 1944 is awesome, but yea 19xx is better. Too bad I don't have a vertical monitor. :crying:

I also have a Mars Matrix kit on the way, I can't wait for it to arrive.

Anyone played Dimahoo? How is that? I thought about picking it up, but again I don't have a vertical monitor.

Other favorite shooters:

Blazing Star
Ikaruga
Souky
Zero Gunner 2
Aero Fighters 2 & 3

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by Buro Destruct
Missed it, oops. Okay so three people have got the love for Mars Matrix.

A question I have is where would you all place games like Contra or Metal Slug? Are these techinically shooters as well or do they belong under their type of category?
I am assuming that you understand there are far too many shmups to talk about all of them ;) But yea, I have never really gotten into Marz Matrix. It is a good game, but I have not sat down and gone "OK bitch your mine!" I really need to get back into Takumi shmups. Giga Wing 2 needs to fall in 1 credit.

And those othergames (Contra, Metal Slug) are Run 'n' Guns :) Love them too. All arcade style shooters are great.

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by buttasuperb
Anyone played Dimahoo? How is that? I thought about picking it up, but again I don't have a vertical monitor.
I think that you missed me talking about it. Yea, it rox sox, seriously. Especially if you like Ikaruga, Dimahoo was technically the first game to incorperate a color change concept with their Blue/Ice and red/fire concepts. Excellent game, Highly recomended, one of Raizings best.

You know you can rotate just about any arcade monitor pretty easily right?

[kaos]

Originally posted by Buro Destruct
A question I have is where would you all place games like Contra or Metal Slug? Are these techinically shooters as well or do they belong under their type of category?

sometimes you're an ass:cool:

but fuck yeah....very good question
usually people tend to think about shooters as....shumps
not very clear but all of you maybe get the idea
in the sense of a traditional vertical or horizantal shoot'em up
where "usually"an aeroship mowing down enemies

even if there're some eceptions
such as my beloved sengoku blade
where the main carachter is a flying chick
or something from Cave

ms and contra ARE technically shooters
IMO I wouldn't consider'em platforms....at all
for me platform is something like Mario
if I to find a word to explain them...I dont know
at least in english

edit:
now I know
run'n'guns
thanks shap.

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by kaos
OMFG

how much do you want me to spend today??:eek:
20 bux eh...
lemme think
anyway even special disk inc. in the game is not bad
Just to let you know there is also Taisen Hot Gimmick (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=H&game_id=8143)art that would be considered a bit to hot for some ;)

Not too add any pressure or anything, but there is Daraku Tenshi: The Fallen Angels (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7513) art as well.

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

Originally posted by Shapermc
I think that you missed me talking about it. Yea, it rox sox, seriously. Especially if you like Ikaruga, Dimahoo was technically the first game to incorperate a color change concept with their Blue/Ice and red/fire concepts. Excellent game, Highly recomended, one of Raizings best.

You know you can rotate just about any arcade monitor pretty easily right?

Yea I kinda just skimmed through this thread. :emb:

I heard it's kinda simple to rotate a monitor, the only cab I have is a dedicated MK2 machine. I play everything else with a supergun.

[Plisken]

anyone played the Sega Ages Fantasy Zone remake for the jap PS2? it's so good, it's not funny. I mean really, though it lacks the plish of R-Type or Gradius it has a wondeful acid trip stylle, challenging bosses and great , great music.

[SNKJorge]

Originally posted by Shapermc
;)
http://www.eight-one.com/extra/SexyKoyori.jpg
That is out of THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3242733638 ) art book. It is a really bad ass art book.

Yes, that girl from the the Sengoku Blade cover is just too cute.
Too bad the seller of that book has a massive amount of
negs...

Btw, thanks for the suggestions guys.

[Nick Goracke]

The majority of the "favorite" lists in this thread are largely "new-school" (32bit+) games...

Like I said, the "death" of the shooter genre has been greatly exagerated. The glut of quick money-run shooters passed years ago, but we're still getting a quality release every couple months. I like that.

[Shapermc]

Too_Short: Wow, I guess that I should feel luck that I got mine from him. It was slow shipping, but it was in good condition. Also, when people purchase something at the stated shipping price they really have no right to post a negitive, that is odd. Anyways, I got mine from him as have others at the shmups.com board.

Butta: "I play everything else with a supergun." Excellent, you can Tate (pronounced tah-tey but hey I say it like ro-tate) your TV (possibly). Here are some instructions : http://turn.to/vertical

[Baseley09]

Ive heard some diss it in the past, one of my alltime fave games let alone shooters is Download on the PCE. Great box, cutscenes, music.Hot.

BTW IIX Stag is getting a pal release by some obscure Italian publisher.

[kaos]

you lucky fucking yanks

why...
I've never seen something like
THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3267286936&category=13716)
in Europe?
why?

@shapermc
great site about vertical stuff....realy
now everything I need is an old monitor to rotate
then......Guwange:drool:

[Hobgoblin]

Theres only one shooter that you need to play and thats psyvariar 2, itll be out on DC soon and it is quite possibly the best new shooter out there ive played recently (better than border down and Ikaruga)

As for saturn shmups, Sol Divide is fucking awesome and really unique with some rpg elements tied in (and no you dont need to know japanese) The deluxe packs are always the way to go, Cotton boomerang is chill, and my favorite is sengoku blade, its a bit pricey but an excellent game.

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by kaos
you lucky fucking yanks

why...
I've never seen something like
THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3267286936&category=13716)
in Europe?
why?
That is about 2X to 3X what it is worth. I can easily get a gunbird board for under $100 and have seen it below $50. I can get a cab for under $200 easily as well.


Originally posted by kaos
@shapermc
great site about vertical stuff....realy
now everything I need is an old monitor to rotate
then......Guwange:drool:
Just go on ebay and get a cheap old Commadore monitor or something for under $20 easy. Keep it as your perma vert montior.

[kaos]

Originally posted by Shapermc
That is about 2X to 3X what it is worth. I can easily get a gunbird board for under $100 and have seen it below $50. I can get a cab for under $200 easily as well.

:very_ang: :very_ang:



Just go on ebay and get a cheap old Commadore monitor or something for under $20 easy. Keep it as your perma vert montior.

yeah I was thinking 'bout it
but
what do you think of an old 24' widescreen
so to have a complete experience?
I was wondering if it could manage a rotation

[MegaDrive20XX]

Well being as how SHOOTERS and RGS game are the bulk of what I love and play, it's too hard to pick a favorite over another really... but I guess this would be in among my faves.

___---___---___---___---___---___---___---___

Lords of Thunder
Blazing Star
MUSHA ALESTE
Sengoku Blade (Ace II)
Gleylancer
Soldier Blade
Gate of Thunder
Eliminate Down
AREA 88
Twin Eagles II
Strikers 1945 Plus
Axelay
Macross 2036
Ray Xanber 2
Layer Section
Sexy Parodius
SDF: MACROSS
Ultimate Destroyer BLAST WIND
Operation Code: VAPOR TRAIL
Sonic Wings 2
MX-5000
Fire Shark
Kyuyoku Tiger (Twin Cobra on Genny)
Battle Mania II
19XX: War of Destiny
Gynoug
Steam Hearts


___---___---___---___---___---___---___---___

MD20XX / Storm Rider

[Kid Aphex]

We need more links to shmup related sites like turn.to.vertical.

If you know them, post them.

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by Kid Aphex
If you know them, post them.
*cough*

HK-STG (http://www.hk-stg.net/)

Click-Stick (http://www.click-stick.com/)

Kiken (http://www.sirkain.net/%7Ekiken/)

Raiden Fighters Emporium (http://rf-emporium.alamone.com/)

DAM (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/%7Ebevhome/DAM.htm)

Great Replays (http://kotttre.tripod.co.jp/ripurei.htm)

Alamone.com (http://stg.alamone.com/)

Bee Preying (http://www.shmups.com/beepreying/)

The Symphony (http://symphony.gamersgraveyard.com/)

Everything I need to know about Guwange (http://symphony.gamersgraveyard.com/guwange/)

The Cave of Shooting (http://www.vsa-ag.ch/Cave/cave.htm)

Collection 1945 (http://www.world-of-arcades.com/1945/1945.htm)

r8zing (http://www.world-of-arcades.com/R8zing/r8zing.htm)


Any of these what your looking for?[

[kaos]

shapermc > samantha (http://www.cumfiestagirls.com/bignaturals/020325/index2.html) > God
yeah....

[MegaDrive20XX]

Originally posted by kaos
shapermc > samantha (http://www.cumfiestagirls.com/bignaturals/020325/index2.html) > God
yeah....

Ahhhhhh YEAH... my dick's pointin' north again!

:lol:

---Hey Kaos I think you put this in the wrong thread bro. Unless you added SAMANTHA as the BOSS of a Sexy Parodius entry on KONAMI's behalf. JEAH... "SHOOTER" A wad of gelatinous goo skeets through space and finds it's target!

:lol:

*Might make sense. I'd rather shoot on her then to have to face a Giant racoon with his nut sack showing.

MD20XX / Storm Rider

[jaydubnb]

Originally posted by Buro Destruct
Missed it, oops. Okay so three people have got the love for Mars Matrix.

A question I have is where would you all place games like Contra or Metal Slug? Are these techinically shooters as well or do they belong under their type of category?

Mars Matrix is teh shit! It and Ikaruga are my favorite modern shooties, though I havent played Borderdown yet. The bullet absorbtion and regurgatation is -awesome-. And the totally insane amount of bullets onscreen is intense. My only gripe--and its a small one--is that I wish the game would move a hair quicker.


Other faves:

Lords of Thunder - Really, perhaps one of the most complete shooties ever. Great tunes, visuals, and the power up system. Most importantly just insanely fun.

Axelay - A lil slow, but a top fiver, IMO. Best shooter soundtrack, ever.

Download II - Maybe not be a AAA title, but very good. Final boss is deceptively hard!

Star Parodier - One of the best cute'em ups EVER. I never tire of using a PC Engine to destory enemies. Graphics are about as good as it gets on the PCE CD. One drawback: too easy!

[kaos]

Originally posted by MegaDrive 20XX
Ahhhhhh YEAH... my dick's pointin' north again!

:lol:

---Hey Kaos I think you put this in the wrong thread bro. Unless you added SAMANTHA as the BOSS of a Sexy Parodius entry on KONAMI's behalf. JEAH... "SHOOTER" A wad of gelatinous goo skeets through space and finds it's target!

:lol:

*Might make sense. I'd rather shoot on her then to have to face a Giant racoon with his nut sack showing.

MD20XX / Storm Rider


:D

as I said my life changed when I've seen her 1st time

I ain't sayin' I'd bang shap rather than her

but this guy is really too cool
He's owning her at the moment:multi_co:

[Hobgoblin]

FYI, I have many a saturn shmup for sale.

[Takumaji]

Two more links:

Dodge the Bullet (http://kiken.sirkain.net/main.html) - Great site that covers a new game in-depth every now and then, at the mo it's Sengoku Blade. They had an awesome Ikaruga feature with stunning vids two months ago.

Shmups MK2 (http://www.classicgaming.com/shmups/common_htm/main.htm) - One of me fave shmup sites with good reviews and other genre stuff.

About old school shmups, well, that's pretty much where it's at for me, that's why I love next-gen games like Border Down, they manage to transport a certain atmosphere that only the classic stuff can provide, R-Type, Salamander, you know the score. BD, Mars Matrix, they are advanced games with modern visuals but the same addicting gameplay as in the classics.

From the older shooters, I love Galaga, Gaplus, Phoenix, Defender, Tempest, Gyruss, then the late 80s games like R-Type and Salamander 2, and of course shmups from Psikyo, Cave, Treasure, Irem, etc.

Man, another shooter is on it's way for DC... the genre isn't really well atm, but it certainly isn't dead.

[neobuyer]

It's kind of sad- but one of the best ways to play shooters these days is on MAME

There's a shitload of shooters on MAME

I'd rather play on a console- but once I exhausted the Saturn and DC shooters I didn't have any new places to go- except PS2 imports-- and I have an un-modded, US PS2- so I'm screwed. I wanted to play the new DoDonPachi and Stag :mad_2:

And what's up with the DC having a NEW shooter coming out? Any links on that one?

[tupac08]

Originally posted by Lord Yamazaki'
Galaga :buttrock:



thats a good i would agree with that

[Takumaji]

Originally posted by neobuyer
[...] And what's up with the DC having a NEW shooter coming out? Any links on that one?

linky (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76467)

[AnechoicJinx]

Is it just me or does Gigawing look a little fucked-up on the DC?

[Kid Aphex]

Has ANYONE played the game "Project X2"?

I'd never even heard of this game until today...and apparently, it's rather amazing.

[Giby]

Originally posted by Kid Aphex
Has ANYONE played the game "Project X2"?

I'd never even heard of this game until today...and apparently, it's rather amazing.

What system is it out for?

What type of a shooter is Border Down, I've heard lots of good things about it, but I've never seen screen shots of vids for it.

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by Master Giby
What system is it out for?

What type of a shooter is Border Down, I've heard lots of good things about it, but I've never seen screen shots of vids for it.

Project X2 is out for the PSX.
It's enemies are prerendered ala Blazing Star, etc.

Here's a review:

http://kiken.sirkain.net/X2Main.html

Jesus Christ the game looks amazing.
I'd kill for a go at it....

[BBH]

Strikers 1945 III, bitches.

the feeling of Technical Bonus is just too grand.

[tsukaesugi]

Originally posted by Shapermc
Just to let you know there is also Taisen Hot Gimmick (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=H&game_id=8143)art that would be considered a bit to hot for some ;)

Not too add any pressure or anything, but there is Daraku Tenshi: The Fallen Angels (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7513) art as well.

Cool.

The Taisen Hot Gimmick was done by none other than Groove On Fight / Matrimelee's Range Murata.

Did he work on Daraku Tenshi as well?

Got a link to a Hot Gimmick or Daraku Tenshi art book?

[Arcademan]

After all these years, 1943: The Battle for Midway will always be my number one shooter though there are better playing and more visually appealing games. Of course since I am the official world record holder on the game, I'm partial to 1943 :buttrock:

[neobuyer]

Originally posted by Takumaji
linky (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76467)

You, Tak, are the man

Looks good.

I may need to add this to my DC collection

[Lastblade]

Battle Garrega or.... Xevious.

[Verbatum]

Ahh! Shootys!! Some of the finest works of art out there. OK, here are my pics for finest shooters from my personal collection:

Famicom:

Zanac


Duo:

Winds of thunder

Gate of Thunder

Cho Aniki

Spriggan

Guhed


Mega Drive:

Musha Aleste

Super Famicom:

Axelay

Macross Scrambled Valkyrie

Super Aleste


Neo:

Last Resort

Blazing Star


PS:

Philosoma

Einhander

Sokyou Gurentai


Saturn:

Panzer Dragoon

Panzer Dragoon Zwei

Radiant Silvergun

Dreamcast:

Giga Wing

Giga Wing 2

Zero Gunner 2


PS2:

Silpheed

R-type Final

Shienryu Explosion

REZ

Cho Aniki


GameCube:

Ikaruga

Shikigami No Shiro 2

GBA:

Iridion 2

X-Box:

Panzer Dragoon Orta


Jamma Boards:

Guwange

E.S.P. RADE

DoDonPachi: Bee Storm

DoDonPachi


Those are my pics for best shooter around. No, Radiant Silvergun is not the best shooter ever made. That honor goes to Winds of Thunder on the Duo. Finest damn Shooter ever. Best arcade Shooter has to go to Guwange. Cave, I love you, really.

Top 10:

1. Winds of Thunder

2. Gate of Thunder

3. Einhander

4. REZ

5. Guwange

6. Panzer Dragoon Orta

7. Gunhed

8. Philosoma

9. Mush Aleste

10. DoDonPachi: Bee Storm

Lets see the love for Philosoma people.

[Takumaji]

My shmup system of choice is the Genny and, to a lesser extend, the SAT or PSX because of arcade ports like the godly Strikers 1945 II, I love that game.

On MD/Genesis, my faves are M.U.S.H.A., Gynoug, Thunder Force 2/3/4, Raiden Trad, Hellfire, Bio Hazard Battle and a few others.

Shooters also were my fave genre on Amiga, I played a lot of Hybris, Sidewinder, Katakis (R-Type), R-Type 2, Silk Worm (couldn't get enough of it), Xenon 1+2 and Phalanx 1/2... good times.... before that, the C=64 fed my shmup needs, mostly with arcade ports, but also with genuine masterpieces like Delta, Uridium 1+2 and others.

[Takumaji]

Originally posted by Verbatum
[...] 6. Panzer Dragoon Orta [...]

I'm surprised you have that in your top-10. I played it quite a lot and I like it, but IMO it has a few lengthy spots where you tediously hammer away on bizarre mid- or end bosses.

I have to admit that the game has a wonderful atmosphere and artwork, and the story is slightly twisted but works well, specially with all that dragon/bio mechanoid stuff.

[kaos]

Originally posted by Takumaji
Uridium 1+2 .

holy shit
how I forgot Uridium I just dunno

@Verbatum
you rock

the only thing makes me thinking
is
Einhander > Guwange:eek_2:

I do love Einhander...is just from a genious
but......
anyway you the boss...maybe I missed something:)

[corbo 2]

:) :) :) :) :)

Nice topic.Lately i've been playing Neo Shooters.Been watsing a insane amount of time on Blazing Star,Pulstar and Last Resort.

But i've just got Border Down last night and tonight i'm giving it a good blast.It plays very much like a old school vert shooter but with plently of bullet spray...nice graphics and the soundtrack is good but i havn't played it too much yet.

I currently want to use my Saturn more for DoDonpachi,Battle Garegga, Soukey,Shienryu and of course Radiant Silvergun...i'm savin up now for them :)

And the lastest DC releases i'm gonna have to preorder..i can never have too many shmup 'em ups.Man i'm so skint...

I'll reply later when i have more time

:p

[AnechoicJinx]

Is the PSX version of DoDonpachi so expensive because it's rare, because it's that much better than the saturn version, or both?

[kaos]

Originally posted by AnechoicJinx
Is the PSX version of DoDonpachi so expensive because it's rare, because it's that much better than the saturn version, or both?

don't know why but just avoid it as hell....really

get the Sat version
not arcade perfect, but a very good port overall

[Nick Goracke]

Originally posted by Kid Aphex
Project X2 is out for the PSX.
It's enemies are prerendered ala Blazing Star, etc.

Here's a review:

http://kiken.sirkain.net/X2Main.html

Jesus Christ the game looks amazing.
I'd kill for a go at it....

Anybody know where I can pick this up? Tried the usual suspects (yahoo jp, videogamedepot, ncsx) but no go...

Same with XII Stag - haven't found that yet either.

[Takumaji]

Gentlemen,

I've just placed preorders for two (!) new Dreamcast shooters at OtakuMW:

The Castle of Shikigami II

and

Psyvariar 2: The Will to Fabricate

:drool:

DC lives on. Shmups live on. Life is good.

[Plisken]

that's because X2 is a pal only release, published by ocean and made by team 17, i think.

edit:

http://i6.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/26/4d/a3_1.JPG

[prinsecharles]

heres some shooters i couldn't live without if i had to sell my shooter collection .
also anyone who plays shooters and uses more than 1 credit is a battyman!!!!
saturn
battle garegga -the don of the inbetween shmup manically fast but still old skool and the best raizing game for home console
dodonpachi- adrenaline induced buzzes from pink and blue bullets.once you click with the later levels you are hoplessly addicted
batsugun- manic fast bullets that are aimed directly at your ship.the most manic of all toaplan games and great fun!!

psx
zanac x zanac -amazing game ,great old skool feel ,great soundtrack and different enemy patterns every time you play
donpachi-much better than saturn but only good if you tate your t.v.

ps2
dodonpachi daioujou-more cave goodness with more bullets than ever mmm

also another fun title to look for is harmful park for psx a really great fun to play parodius style shooter .it's quite rare but recently i've seen copies go for £35-40 on ebay.co.uk so if you see it snap it up.
not many people know about it which is why i mentioned

[Verbatum]

Originally posted by kaos
holy shit
how I forgot Uridium I just dunno

@Verbatum
you rock

the only thing makes me thinking
is
Einhander > Guwange:eek_2:

I do love Einhander...is just from a genious
but......
anyway you the boss...maybe I missed something:)

Thanks man!

I just find both Orta and Einhander to be some of the most artistic shooters around. They play great, have very, very clear and distinct ambiance, and a wonderful score on top of all the goodness!:D

[Buro Destruct]

Just dug up an old Megadrive/Arcade (or downloaded it....ssssh) called Air Buster.

First shooter I ever played seriously (Lifeforce being the real first, but I hated it at the age of six). Not particularly gimmicky or strong with any one type of "theme" but it is a very solid all-around shooter, especially the near perfect Genesis port.

[neobuyer]

Originally posted by Plisken
that's because X2 is a pal only release, published by ocean and made by team 17, i think.

edit:

http://i6.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/26/4d/a3_1.JPG

I think it got a small JPN NTSC release as well- saw one on eBay last year

I actually own the PAL version- but I cannot play it! I have a JPN PSX and a normal NTSC tv and I've never played the fucking thing

Damned sonofabitch Europeans! :)

[Plisken]

try using the psx emulator, epsxe! i can vouch for it's quality, only problem is games are VERY pixelated if you run them in standard mode. But seeing as it uses it's own drivers, you can make them run in hi-res.

[ST-V]

Originally posted by kaos
don't know why but just avoid it as hell....really

:spock:

To answer your question AnechoicJinx, it's a much better port than the SS version. If you rotate your monitor it is even better. DDP for PSX does seem harder to come by, but you see it pop up on eBay now and then and some import stores that carry used PSX titles. After personally playing both versions, I'll stick to the PSX version (especially if you're more into playing 1P only and rotate your monitor, like I do).

I've been playing a lot of Gradius Gaiden for PSX lately, just to get ready for Gradius V. Other than that I've been playing Mars Matrix and Batsugun.

[kaos]

Originally posted by ST-V

it's a much better port than the SS version.

:spock:
dude
99% of people who cares 'bout to rotate a monitor(myself do) gives a damn if a conversion has this option
they already have a supergun(myself too)
and I don't think who's gonna buy a Sat/PSX port
gives a shit about it too

none of'em are arcade perfect
but at least Sat version has a better graphic
loading time are good

while everybody know PSX can't handle 2D as good as Sat does
if you like pixeled shit than things change:rolleyes:

[Verbatum]

So folks, what are your greatest Shooter achviements?

Me:

Beat Guwange with one-credit

Beat Winds of Thunder on Super without losing it

Giga Wing 2 without loosing a life

DoDonPachi, one credit

I have some more, but enough about me! Onto you folks...

[kaos]

Originally posted by Verbatum
Thanks man!

I just find both Orta and Einhander to be some of the most artistic shooters around. They play great, have very, very clear and distinct ambiance, and a wonderful score on top of all the goodness!:D

understand
I agree
but still prefer Guwange:D
I never liked so much, graphically speaking...of course, PSX shumps
but again...I do consider Einhander a little miracle by Squaresoft
on topa that I'm into verticals the most


@your last post
sadly, never been so good for the record/score/secrets thing:(
I made some good shit with gunbird 2 though
in this period I'm SERIOUSLY trying to play to hell dodonpachi dai-ou-jou
one credit??.....I'll try it, but quite hard for me

[Baseley09]

Originally posted by ST-V
:spock:

To answer your question AnechoicJinx, it's a much better port than the SS version. If you rotate your monitor it is even better. DDP for PSX does seem harder to come by, but you see it pop up on eBay now and then and some import stores that carry used PSX titles. After personally playing both versions, I'll stick to the PSX version (especially if you're more into playing 1P only and rotate your monitor, like I do).

I've been playing a lot of Gradius Gaiden for PSX lately, just to get ready for Gradius V. Other than that I've been playing Mars Matrix and Batsugun.

Nice to see someone with sense, people are usually blinded saying blah blah 2D Saturn blah. Yes for the fighters 100% Saturn, most other 2D titles are exactly the same, sometimes better or worse than Saturn, basically PSX is just as good for this, and there is more choice on the machine.PSX gets too much bad presss, unfounded.

Never underestimate the power of the Playstation

Now go buy some cool import PSX stuff bitches.

[Arcademan]

Originally posted by Verbatum
So folks, what are your greatest Shooter achviements?

Me:

Beat Guwange with one-credit

Beat Winds of Thunder on Super without losing it

Giga Wing 2 without loosing a life

DoDonPachi, one credit

I have some more, but enough about me! Onto you folks...

I've already mentioned I'm the official world record holder on 1943. Other great achievments include going through all the levels of SideArms and UNSquadron on one credit and scoring 1 million on a factory-set Sinistar :D

[Loopz]

I've already mentioned I'm the official world record holder on 1943. Other great achievments include going through all the levels of SideArms and UNSquadron on one credit and scoring 1 million on a factory-set Sinistar

I bow to your skills dude. Especially a fellow AZian.
1943 is a regular MAME fave of mine....so good.

[AnechoicJinx]

Question about TATE:

Are there any other advantages for the full-screen vertical mode other than it filling the entire screen? Does it fuck up the graphics or ratios when it's compressed to fit a normal TV? I used to rotate my 20" all the time, but now that I have a brand new 27" I don't dare! I measured it and the 20" display TATE mode can practically fit within the 27" non-TATE mode....so I figured it would look exactly the same between the two...am I right?

I'm a compulsive perfectionist, I worry about these things :loco: :help:

[Verbatum]

Originally posted by AnechoicJinx
Question about TATE:

Are there any other advantages for the full-screen vertical mode other than it filling the entire screen? Does it fuck up the graphics or ratios when it's compressed to fit a normal TV? I used to rotate my 20" all the time, but now that I have a brand new 27" I don't dare! I measured it and the 20" display TATE mode can practically fit within the 27" non-TATE mode....so I figured it would look exactly the same between the two...am I right?

I'm a compulsive perfectionist, I worry about these things :loco: :help:


Tate gives you that real arcade feeling. Plus in games like Shikigami No shiro 2, it's much easier to see bullets and such while shoot'in the badies! I always do the flip with a TV I have made just for it! Turn off the lights, and it feels like an old downtown arcade!

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by AnechoicJinx
Question about TATE:

Are there any other advantages for the full-screen vertical mode other than it filling the entire screen? Does it fuck up the graphics or ratios when it's compressed to fit a normal TV? I used to rotate my 20" all the time, but now that I have a brand new 27" I don't dare! I measured it and the 20" display TATE mode can practically fit within the 27" non-TATE mode....so I figured it would look exactly the same between the two...am I right?

I'm a compulsive perfectionist, I worry about these things :loco: :help:
Yes, it does mess up the gfx with out TATE. Well at least with most of the 32 bit systems. DoDonPachi is one of the worst perpitratiors of this from my understaning.

Since you have the ability you should do a side by side comparison and you will see the difference.

[CarlDMC]

Blazing Lazers TG-16
One of my all time faves!!
For an 8-bitter (3Meg?), that game was awesome. Had some really cool tunes as well.
I have the Sylphia CD (PCE game), but I don't like it. I've heard it's amazing and rare, but I just can't get into it.

Raiden series has always been good.

[SNKJorge]

Btw, any fans of Shikagami No Shiro 2/Mobile Light Force 2?

And what would be a good monitor to buy for shooters?
for both vertical and horizontal shooters.

[BarfHappy]

jingle bells jingle bells shooting all the way :)
i love parodius~ it s so funny and the music so great
my favourite is Sexy Parodius (japanese version), i own it on PSX and it is fantastic (no loading times or anything).
then it s IKARUGA, followed by coryoon

i can t give figures of the shooting games i ve played, it s just my favourite genre, just to give examples on my favourite systems

on nes i own games like Burai Fighter, Life Force Salamander, Star Force, 1943...

on pc engine & SuperCDROM2 coryoon, hana ta-ka daka ?, dragon saber, magical chase, Final Soldier, RType complete CD,
Star Parodia, Spriggan Mark 2

on sega CD: sol feace, sylpheed

on snes : super Aleste, Super EDF (yes, i do like it), UNSquaron, Parodius, Super RType, RType 3, Blazeon, Axelay and starfox

on psx : Darius Gaiden, RayStorm, GDarius, RType Delta, Sexy Parodius, Ray Crisis, Strikers 1945 II, cotton, einhander,thunderforce V

on PC: Tyrian, The REAP, GPolice, RayStorm (but playing the original PSX one on an emu looks better than it, despite it s Direct3D, PSX sony emulator syndrome, same as ray crisis and MGS)

on DC: sar gunner 2, gigawing, mars matrix, Ikaruga

on PS2 : sylpheed, gradius III&IV, RType Final (forgot it in japan :crying: )

and -stupid i am to have sold it- on neo of course: Alpha Mission 2 and Last Resort

i didn t like Radiant Silvergun, the fact you get all the weapons from the beginning and the poor game scenery (i ve played it last year only), plus the easy factor (finished in one go) made it a no pleasure game... i just ran though it because i had to, it s so famous, but it didn t leave any good memories...
but i loved ikaruga, verry impressive game :)

just building this little list gives me the envy to go back to my homeplace, switch on my old machineries and play through all of them again~

shmups are for me the games with the biggest replay value. you don t play to solve a mystery, you don t play to gain levels, you play just for fun :) shooooooot

[SNKJorge]

Just got a New/Sealed Silpheed & Gradius Galaxies from ebay.

[qube]

Originally posted by BarfHappy
i didn t like Radiant Silvergun, the fact you get all the weapons from the beginning and the poor game scenery (i ve played it last year only), plus the easy factor (finished in one go) made it a no pleasure game... i just ran though it because i had to, it s so famous, but it didn t leave any good memories...


Good lord, what is it with some of you people??!! How can you be so good at games that you just "run through" a game like RS on your first sitting? :eek: Fricking mutant freak gamers on this board here. The last boss of RS is a freaking beast, and I thought that the rest of the game was tough as nails too!

I also don't understand what's not to like, as RS is one of my more favourite shmups of all time, but hey, to each his own ;)

Q-

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by qube
Good lord, what is it with some of you people??!! How can you be so good at games that you just "run through" a game like RS on your first sitting? :eek: Fricking mutant freak gamers on this board here. The last boss of RS is a freaking beast, and I thought that the rest of the game was tough as nails too!

I also don't understand what's not to like, as RS is one of my more favourite shmups of all time, but hey, to each his own ;)

Q-

Yeah man. First try?

Dare I say, I smell bullshit.

[AnechoicJinx]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
Btw, any fans of Shikagami No Shiro 2/Mobile Light Force 2?

And what would be a good monitor to buy for shooters?
for both vertical and horizontal shooters.

I'm a fan....although the SICKENINGLY butchered american box art makes me die laughing everytime I glance at it. If there's someone else in the room there's no shutting up about it for like 30 minutes :)

The game really does kick ass though. I especially like the weapon power up when you're extremely close to enemy bullets...

I'd also like some suggestions on perma-vert monitors...would it be wise to get a standard TV and just keep it rotated all the time? I've fucked up one TV by doing it back and forth...

[SNKJorge]

How hard is it to find a kit or board only of Pro-Gear No Arashi?

[Wolf]

Originally posted by AnechoicJinx
I'd also like some suggestions on perma-vert monitors...would it be wise to get a standard TV and just keep it rotated all the time? I've fucked up one TV by doing it back and forth...

Several options really:

Plasma TV with swivel wall mount (I've already got the screen and will do this later this year)

LCD TV mounted vertically.

Dedicated arcade cab

And other ways I haven't thought of. Personally, I like the first 2 the best.

[BarfHappy]

Yeah man. First try?

Dare I say, I smell bullshit.



nha, when i say in one go is not first try, first sitting as said before is better term, time to get the mechanics, and all.
i was with a friend of mine, all excited because we just got "the" radiant silvergun. we played it each one at his turn (after a life loss or a level change), and when the end came we were like "eh, that s all ?" ... i don t remember having major difficulties on this one, thus the easy factor since i had big problems on ps2 sylpheed last stage and especially the before-last boss (the one looking like segacd's last boss) and at ikaruga.
maybe i should give it another try like said the 1st post, but i have no real envy. maybe there are several difficulty levels, i don t remember and honestly don t care. like i said, i don t like the all weapons at the beginning system. and i hate the laser saber, allways, that was true in spriggan mark2, einhander, in sylpheed PS2 and is still true in RS.

[edit: and on the graphics side, honestly, i was waiting for a eye smashing 3D shooter... and it was an heavily sprites-based (before getting flamed, i talk mostly about backgrounds), with some verry rough 3D ... not a fancy game to me]

[AnechoicJinx]

Originally posted by Wolf
Several options really:

Plasma TV with swivel wall mount (I've already got the screen and will do this later this year)

LCD TV mounted vertically.

Dedicated arcade cab

And other ways I haven't thought of. Personally, I like the first 2 the best.

Those are pretty expensive options :)

Verbatum, you said you had a TV made just for this, is it just a standard TV? Modified in any way?

[Takumaji]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x [...] And what would be a good monitor to buy for shooters?
for both vertical and horizontal shooters.

I have two old Commodore 1084S multisync monitors that I use for my Amiga, and a Philips CM 8833 multsync as well. These monitors are quite small (14" and 15"), but they have SCART/RGB and can be rotated at will without taking damge. These monitors are very cheap, < $50 if you look long enough. If you want something bigger (and more modern), LCD- or Plasma TVs may be the way to go, but I've yet to see a LCD TV set that does not blur on high-speed games. Plasma is much better, but also much more expensive.

On a sidenote, I wouldn't rotate one of those big-ass 100Hz TVs, it's no prob for the tube if you switch it off while rotating and let it degauss afterwards, but the pcbs inside aren't really built for this position, specially the heavier parts like transformers, etc.

Btw. -

I've started a new shooters section in the Gameplay Glossary (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65938) thread, you shooter fans may want to take a look at it and add a few terms and defnitions about your fave genre.

[Bishamon]

I'm running vertical shooter PCBs via a supergun on a 17" Viewsonic LCD that pivots.

It also has a 16ms refresh for zero blurring.

[kaos]

Originally posted by Takumaji
I have two old Commodore 1084S multisync monitors that I use for my Amiga, and a Philips CM 8833 multsync as well. These monitors are quite small (14" and 15"), but they have SCART/RGB and can be rotated at will without taking damge. These monitors are very cheap, < $50 if you look long enough. If you want something bigger (and more modern), LCD- or Plasma TVs may be the way to go, but I've yet to see a LCD TV set that does not blur on high-speed games. Plasma is much better, but also much more expensive.

On a sidenote, I wouldn't rotate one of those big-ass 100Hz TVs, it's no prob for the tube if you switch it off while rotating and let it degauss afterwards, but the pcbs inside aren't really built for this position, specially the heavier parts like transformers, etc.

Btw. -

I've started a new shooters section in the Gameplay Glossary (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65938) thread, you shooter fans may want to take a look at it and add a few terms and defnitions about your fave genre.


thanks for info man

I was thinking to get an old cheap widescreen 24' to rotate possibly not 100Hz
what do you think about it??

I dont want use my supergun with a mere 14'
anyway
if I think 'bout the good ol' C 1084S I get nostalgic:D

[Takumaji]

Originally posted by kaos
thanks for info man

I was thinking to get an old cheap widescreen 24' to rotate possibly not 100Hz
what do you think about it??

I dont want use my supergun with a mere 14'
anyway
if I think 'bout the good ol' C 1084S I get nostalgic:D

I know... 14" is not very big, but since these multisyncs have a relatively flicker-free picture, I can live with the small size if I sit close enough. 14" in tate mode is better than 20"+ vertical IMO.

I had a 21" standard 4:3 TV (no 100Hz) that I flipped regularly but after a year or so the far left and right edges of the screen started to show strange colors due to magnetization. It got better after flipping it back but the color effect worsened when rotating the unit to the side again, up to a point where the whole screen turned reddish-green. Now the unit still shows faint reddish colors on the edges of the screen so it may be permanently damaged...

In short - I guess standard household TVs shouldn't be rotated at all, or if you have to do it, no longer than an hour at once.

[kaos]

Originally posted by Takumaji
I know... 14" is not very big, but since these multisyncs have a relatively flicker-free picture, I can live with the small size if I sit close enough. 14" in tate mode is better than 20"+ vertical IMO.

I had a 21" standard 4:3 TV (no 100Hz) that I flipped regularly but after a year or so the far left and right edges of the screen started to show strange colors due to magnetization. It got better after flipping it back but the color effect worsened when rotating the unit to the side again, up to a point where the whole screen turned reddish-green. Now the unit still shows faint reddish colors on the edges of the screen so it may be permanently damaged...

In short - I guess standard household TVs shouldn't be rotated at all, or if you have to do it, no longer than an hour at once.

yeah...guess this what happen after long term
even if some websites claim rotation safe if done properly
such as wait a bit before rotate then plug it

I'll check more for a 21' monitor....maybe an old Philips or so

thanks again

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
How hard is it to find a kit or board only of Pro-Gear No Arashi?

All I can say is good luck.

I've seen the 2 kits sell at Trieu's store, and Japhei had one for auction on ebay awhile back. That's it.

I will own this game though.

[Nick Goracke]

I've seen a few people mention Gradius Gaiden - which game is this based off of? Or is it pretty much original? (As original as Gradius can get, I mean)...

Also, anybody know of a reason I can't use a DLP projector in TATE mode? A screen taller than me sounds about right... :tickled:

[Buro Destruct]

Originally posted by Nick Goracke
I've seen a few people mention Gradius Gaiden - which game is this based off of? Or is it pretty much original? (As original as Gradius can get, I mean)...

Its "Gradius" at its core, similar gameplay, enemy patterns, power-ups, etc. But from what I remember, the bosses are pretty different.

The biggest change is instead of piloting the Vic Viper, you have a choice of piloting Vic Viper and three other ships (I don't remember the names) each with their unique set of power-ups. I just bought this game from Carlsson, can't wait til its at my doorstep.

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by Buro Destruct
Its "Gradius" at its core, similar gameplay, enemy patterns, power-ups, etc. But from what I remember, the bosses are pretty different.

The biggest change is instead of piloting the Vic Viper, you have a choice of piloting Vic Viper and three other ships (I don't remember the names) each with their unique set of power-ups. I just bought this game from Carlsson, can't wait til its at my doorstep.

Basically it replaces the Manual Powerup Settings of Gradius 3, etc with "ship choice"....really the same thing though.

Otherwise, the ships are all the same.

There's also a cool new Shield that works as a REAL barrier around your ship...you can SKATE along the ground and ceiling as long as you have it on.

Also, its sort of a blend of the Salamander/Lifeforce/Gradius universes...hence the other ships and the motley collection of enemies/bosses familiar to both universes.

[BBH]

Originally posted by Arcademan
I've already mentioned I'm the official world record holder on 1943. Other great achievments include going through all the levels of SideArms and UNSquadron on one credit and scoring 1 million on a factory-set Sinistar :D

what is your high score on 1943? You know it's not really the world record if it's not higher than the Japanese Gamest record...

1 million on Sinistar though?? sweet merciful crap.

I had an interesting shooting-game experience this weekend. There's a pool hall around here that has Strikers 1945 III, which is obviously one of my favorite shooters EVER now. So I stop by there to play a couple games, because while emulators might be nice there's no substitute for the real thing. I walk in and find that someone left a credit in the machine. On that free game I managed to beat the 1,144,700 score I left on the machine around two years ago with a score of 1,198,200. :buttrock: I was already satisfied.

I went off to play something else, and when I came back there were these two guys playing through the game. They seemed to enjoy the game, but weren't very good at it... using a lot of continues. One of them stopped playing while the other just kept continuing through to the end. Around the time he finally beat the boss on 1-8, he left the machine. I suck bad at the second loop so I just suicided his last ship and started a new game.

So, I'm playing it again. One of the guys that was playing watches me play, and when I beat the 1-1 boss I heard him say "Whoa, Technical Bonus" and called his friend over. "This guy is tearing it up!"

That guy asked me a lot of questions about Technical Bonus, medal chaining, all that stuff. He asked me what happens at the end of the second loop and I said "I dunno, I've never tried to go that far, I only play the game on one quarter. I can finish the first loop most of the time at least". He obviously couldn't believe that. And so I played on.

What a perfect time to finish the first loop on one life. :D :D :D

It was my best performance ever on the first loop. After destroying the last boss he said "Duuuuuuude! Props!" and gave me a high five. It was such a great ego boost hearing him tell someone else "I thought I was pretty good at this game when I could finish it on 5 credits, and this guy fucking does it on one life!" :D

(too bad I ended up completely fucking up 2-1 and lost all four of my lives there. :()

it was so great to see people who genuinely appreciated shooting game skills. I NEVER run into people like that around here.

And that is my story for the week.

[Arcademan]

My highest score on 1943 is 2,947,360...1 million points higher than the next highest posted score as tracked by the Twin Galaxies Intergalactic Scoreboard. The reason for such a high score? There is a 'hidden' point icon on the end of all of the battleships worth 100,000 points and that's all I can reveal about it. When I reported and verified the high score way back in 1988, a programmer from Capcom asked me how I got such a high score. I told him and he verified the 'trick' I found.

[BBH]

Originally posted by Arcademan
My highest score on 1943 is 2,947,360...1 million points higher than the next highest posted score as tracked by the Twin Galaxies Intergalactic Scoreboard. The reason for such a high score? There is a 'hidden' point icon on the end of all of the battleships worth 100,000 points and that's all I can reveal about it. When I reported and verified the high score way back in 1988, a programmer from Capcom asked me how I got such a high score. I told him and he verified the 'trick' I found.

Okay... well, according to the list I have, the Gamest record for 1943 is 3,701,310. And there are two recordings at the MAME Action Replay Page that are over 3 million. 2,947,360 is still a great score though! Just not the "true" world record now. It's certainly better than me, I can't beat the last battleship. :(

The 100k spacemen are completely random, I think?

[SNKJorge]

So can anyone post examples of monitors (Maybe from
stores like Best Buy etc...) that I can buy?
It has to be a LCD or Plasma but that can be set
horizontally and vertically for shooters...
At my work there's a bunch of NEW ViewSonic Flat LCD monitors,
I may take one of those, but I need advice here.

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
So can anyone post examples of monitors (Maybe from
stores like Best Buy etc...) that I can buy?
It has to be a LCD or Plasma but that can be set
horizontally and vertically for shooters...
At my work there's a bunch of NEW ViewSonic Flat LCD monitors,
I may take one of those, but I need advice here.

A better place to get serious and plentiful responses:

www.shmups.com

[Bishamon]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
So can anyone post examples of monitors (Maybe from
stores like Best Buy etc...) that I can buy?
It has to be a LCD or Plasma but that can be set
horizontally and vertically for shooters...
At my work there's a bunch of NEW ViewSonic Flat LCD monitors,
I may take one of those, but I need advice here.

I would recommend getting an LCD that has a 16ms refresh (these are fairly new; most tend to be 20ms or slower) and has a built-in pivot for an easy tate mode.

I would avoid plasma for gaming, since they are prone to burn-in and aren't well suited for videogames.

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

Radiant silvergun is my new crack, for years i was like shooters are meh. I started cheating with an action replay and realized shooters are not meh , it was more of me sucking so bad they were not fun. Now that i'm an omega cheater I can't stop playing it .

[Arcademan]

Originally posted by BBH


1 million on Sinistar though?? sweet merciful crap.



Funny but true story about Sinistar. The place I played it all the time was kind of frustrating me...I was dying way too fast on that game however over a period of time I was passing many waves in it. Then the owner of the arcade showed me the setting on the game...he had it on HARDEST!!!

Played a factory-set game and found that I could cruise through it easy. Went to another game room when I hit the 1 million score, then found out that arcade had a contest that gave the first person to break a million $100 cash!

Too bad I did it one week after the contest. Still, the arcade gave me $25 in tokens which to me at the time was as good as money :D

BTW this was before anyone found out the "win 255 free ships" bug in the game :smirk:

[Arcademan]

Originally posted by BBH
Okay... well, according to the list I have, the Gamest record for 1943 is 3,701,310. And there are two recordings at the MAME Action Replay Page that are over 3 million. 2,947,360 is still a great score though! Just not the "true" world record now. It's certainly better than me, I can't beat the last battleship. :(

The 100k spacemen are completely random, I think?

Well, it WAS 15 years ago since I posted that score :D

In theory, if you play a straight game without finding any hidden powerups and objects, you can score roughly 2,000,000 points. Finding all of the mounds and strawberries and barrels can jack up the score quite a bit. Also destroying the battleships causes an explosion in which four pieces fly up and are worth 10,000 each. The spaceman isn't a random thing. It's based on the order that the turrets and guns are destroyed on a ship (It's been so long I don't have a clue WHAT the patterns are...15 years, remember?)

As long as you don't destroy more than 70% (I think) of the battleship, you'll have to redo the level which you can rack up a few more points too. Holding down the A button after a level gives you a hidden weapon full charge but man, you don't want that lame-ass shotgun :loco:

[prinsecharles]

Originally posted by Baseley09
Nice to see someone with sense, people are usually blinded saying blah blah 2D Saturn blah. Yes for the fighters 100% Saturn, most other 2D titles are exactly the same, sometimes better or worse than Saturn, basically PSX is just as good for this, and there is more choice on the machine.PSX gets too much bad presss, unfounded.

Never underestimate the power of the Playstation

Now go buy some cool import PSX stuff bitches.

basely you are always the voice of reason amongst these foolish fanboys.
heres some amazing import psx shit that i've got.(shoot em ups ,beat emups puzzlers)

zanac x zanac
strikers 1945 2 (better than saturn)
donpachi( better than saturn)
kyuinn
harmful park
panzer bandit
gunners heaven
raiden dx
r-types
internal section
zoko gussun oyoyo
pastel muses
silhouette mirage (jap version is mebbes even betterthan saturn dont listen to the fanboys,avoid us version tho)
night raid
gradius gaiden
umikawase syuin 2nd edition

now any 2d fan who turns his nose up at stuff like this is a total plonker and thats just the games i've tried theres still loads for me to find .
you can usually pick most of these up for peanuts(not all obviously) as well if you know people in japan

[ST-V]

Thanks for the kind words Baseley09. :)


Originally posted by prinsecharles
zanac x zanac
strikers 1945 2 (better than saturn)
donpachi( better than saturn)
kyuinn
harmful park
panzer bandit
gunners heaven
raiden dx
r-types
internal section
zoko gussun oyoyo
pastel muses
silhouette mirage (jap version is mebbes even betterthan saturn dont listen to the fanboys,avoid us version tho)
night raid
gradius gaiden
umikawase syuin 2nd edition

Great list prinsecharles, reads like my PSX collection (+ or - one or two). Off the top of my head I'd also add Senkyu, Captain Commando, Toaplan Shooting Battle, Poy Poy and Rakugaki Showtime as well.

For shooter fans tho, Harmful Park is an absolute must to check out, same goes with Gradius Gaiden, Raiden DX, and Zanac X Zanac. I'd also say the same for TSBv1, but it's a bit tougher to track down. Kyuin is visually amazing, but I find the gameplay somewhat bland and lacking. Still need to pick up Night Raid :)

Lotsa pixellated 2D in that list, eh? ;)

[prinsecharles]

definitely i just wish more people sold games like these on ebay uk because no one checks for import psone games that much and the prices always end real low.buying from japan is best but you end up paying as much for the e.m.s as you do for the games themselves (if you live in uk anyways)
haven't really played kyuinn much but from the few levels i've played i had a laugh .
dedicated too much time to 1 credit the 1st loop of dodonpachi the last 2 months :blow_top:
i really want toaplan shooting battle but i play all mine on a chipped ps2 and i don't think it's meant to work on ps2s
someone said the same about gradius gaiden but the new psonebooks release works fine on mine

[Shapermc]

I don't remember who was asking, but Progear is really not too hard to find. The US version was only made on order, so there are quite few available. The non US versions are plenty available.

I would just ask PCB retailers if they can get it. Unfortunatly it is not a very popular US game. You should be able to find it for $350 or less.

[ST-V]

Originally posted by Shapermc
I don't remember who was asking, but Progear is really not too hard to find. The US version was only made on order, so there are quite few available. The non US versions are plenty available.

I would just ask PCB retailers if they can get it. Unfortunatly it is not a very popular US game. You should be able to find it for $350 or less.

Hmm, I've been meaning to pick this one up for some time as well. Less than $350 sounds pretty good, it's between this game or just springing for AvP, which I really want. :)

princecharles: your correct, TSBv1 won't run correctly on the PS2, it will play like it's in underwater mode (basically everything crawls along very slowly). I've been meaning to pick up a replacement PSone for that (kinda waiting for the screen & console combo to come down a bit in price). Also, iirc it's one of the later stages of Gradius Gaiden that the game has a problem with the PS2 (but from what you're saying it sounds like it was fixed for the PS books re-release... Have you played through the entire game without any problems?). I'll have to try that out with my copy (I got the first edition) next time I get back home. :)

[SNKJorge]

Originally posted by Shapermc
I don't remember who was asking, but Progear is really not too hard to find. The US version was only made on order, so there are quite few available. The non US versions are plenty available.

I would just ask PCB retailers if they can get it. Unfortunatly it is not a very popular US game. You should be able to find it for $350 or less.

I'm looking for an Eng version of course. Where?

[ST-V]

IIRC, I think it was TRIEU who was selling a bunch of the US kits what seems like ages ago.

[SNKJorge]

Originally posted by ST-V
IIRC, I think it was TRIEU who was selling a bunch of the US kits what seems like ages ago.

The US Kit goes for about $600, no?

[splits]

I am such a newbie - I don't really have many shmups to speak about.. I feel very over welmed by how many quality shmups are out there....

[ST-V]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
The US Kit goes for about $600, no?

Hmm, honestly, not sure exactly what price that kit would go for nowadays, maybe you can find someone who'd part with it at that price? I remember TRIEU had a Progear kit somewhat recently for around a similiar price, but I didn't look into it because the price was just too much for me at the time. Wish I could help you out there.

[SNKJorge]

Originally posted by ST-V
Hmm, honestly, not sure exactly what price that kit would go for nowadays, maybe you can find someone who'd part with it at that price? I remember TRIEU had a Progear kit somewhat recently for around a similiar price, but I didn't look into it because the price was just too much for me at the time. Wish I could help you out there.

Yes, it was $600. Lose boards probably go for $250+?

[abdul]

hows this Super Star Soldier Gamecube shooter?

i saw it at an import shop for $30

thanks all

[Verbatum]

Originally posted by abdul
hows this Super Star Soldier Gamecube shooter?

i saw it at an import shop for $30

thanks all

Very good for $30 bucks. I did a review on this a while back. Use the search engine and you should find it.

[Verbatum]

Here you go:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35417&highlight=Star+soldier

[abdul]

thanks

gonna pick it up along with a boot disk tommorow

[qube]

BUMP for a badass thread :buttrock:

So, lately I have been playing DoDonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou alot. Kind of gearing myself up for ESPGaluda, and what I have realized is this. I suck really really bad at shmups, but I love them nonetheless.

Do any of you guys find this game hard as well, or is it just because of my lack of teh skillz at shooters? I'm ok for the first couple of levels, but then the bullet patterns escape me. The screen seems to fill up faster than I can keep up with, and I just get outpaced by enemy fire, and end up trapped in a corner with nowhere to go. Watching the DVD that came with the game makes me feel even worse. The guy playing in that vid is sick! He combos into the 2000s, and I can't even get up above 800 :(

Anyone else think the game is tough, or just me....?

Q-

[Buro Destruct]

Originally posted by qube
BUMP for a badass thread :buttrock:

So, lately I have been playing DoDonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou alot. Kind of gearing myself up for ESPGaluda, and what I have realized is this. I suck really really bad at shmups, but I love them nonetheless.

Do any of you guys find this game hard as well, or is it just because of my lack of teh skillz at shooters? I'm ok for the first couple of levels, but then the bullet patterns escape me. The screen seems to fill up faster than I can keep up with, and I just get outpaced by enemy fire, and end up trapped in a corner with nowhere to go. Watching the DVD that came with the game makes me feel even worse. The guy playing in that vid is sick! He combos into the 2000s, and I can't even get up above 800 :(

Anyone else think the game is tough, or just me....?

Q-
I'm the same way with most shooters. I too love them to death but I'm often not good at them. I feel the same way you do most strongly with Guwange and Dimahoo which I've been playing a lot lately, especialy Dimahoo which gets mega insane in the later levels. Although Psyvariar 2 is quickly niggling its way into my mind for IMMEDIATE purchase, and I seem to be fairly good with its type of mechanics.

[qube]

Originally posted by Buro Destruct
I'm the same way with most shooters. I too love them to death but I'm often not good at them. I feel the same way you do most strongly with Guwange and Dimahoo which I've been playing a lot lately, especialy Dimahoo which gets mega insane in the later levels. Although Psyvariar 2 is quickly niggling its way into my mind for IMMEDIATE purchase, and I seem to be fairly good with its type of mechanics.

I was seriously considering Psyvariar 2, but I've been hearing alot of so-so or just straight up bad things about it. I don't know wether to believe the anti-hype, or just try it for myself. Seeing as how I have other things to buy at the moment, and $60 bucks is alot of money to me right now, I think I'm going to wait for a price drop. Possibly pick it up used here at n-g.com :)

I love Gunwange, I wish it saw a console release. That seems to be a nagging problem with alot of Cave shmups :(

I've never played Dimahoo, is it a vertical shmup?

Q-

[Buro Destruct]

Originally posted by qube
I was seriously considering Psyvariar 2, but I've been hearing alot of so-so or just straight up bad things about it. I don't know wether to believe the anti-hype, or just try it for myself. Seeing as how I have other things to buy at the moment, and $60 bucks is alot of money to me right now, I think I'm going to wait for a price drop. Possibly pick it up used here at n-g.com :)

I love Gunwange, I wish it saw a console release. That seems to be a nagging problem with alot of Cave shmups :(

I've never played Dimahoo, is it a vertical shmup?

Q-
Yeah, its formatted just like a Cave shmup, developed by a group called Raizing/8ing and published by Capcom (I think, those details are a little fuzzy, but it is nonetheless a CPS2 game). Its a blast to play, but for some reason just damned difficult.

http://www.vsa-ag.ch/r8zing/Dimahoo/dimahoo.htm
The sshots make it look easier than it is. Or else I'm just a fucking palsy-kid when it comes to this one.

[Kid Aphex]

While shooters are my favorite genre, I don't particularly enjoy Cave games. They're too manic and goofy for the most part. Personally, I'm all about GREASEY STEEL SHIPS like the VIC VIPER blasting through armadas like butter to orchestras swelling or guitars wailing. The fruity approach Cave [and others] take turns me off a little....but they're still amazing games that're better than most shit coming out nowadays.

PLUS, DDPDJO has the BEST music ever. Second stage fires up and I orgasm.

Hey man, here's looking forward to Gradius V: THE ULTIMATE VIDEO GAME EXPERIENCE.

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by Buro Destruct
HAM HAM HAM.

Bring your Xbox to my house so I can play these games.

[qube]

Originally posted by Kid Aphex
While shooters are my favorite genre, I don't particularly enjoy Cave games. They're too manic and goofy for the most part. Personally, I'm all about GREASEY STEEL SHIPS like the VIC VIPER blasting through armadas like butter to orchestras swelling or guitars wailing. The fruity approach Cave [and others] take turns me off a little....but they're still amazing games that're better than most shit coming out nowadays.

PLUS, DDPDJO has the BEST music ever. Second stage fires up and I orgasm.

Hey man, here's looking forward to Gradius V: THE ULTIMATE VIDEO GAME EXPERIENCE.

That's whats so great about shmups IMO. All of the different kinds that are around. I'm personally just the opposite of you. I love the classics like Gradius, R-Type, Last Resort, and whatnot...but Cave are Gods IMO. I love their "fruity" style ;)

I am definitly in agreeance that the music in DDPDOJ is the fucking best in a shmup ever! I love the artwork as well. I'm assuming that is part of the "fruityness" that you are reffering to ;)

Either way, I will play any fucking shooter, regardless of type or maker.

@Buro: Thanks for the link bro, hope the images don't bog down this shitty dial-up I'm on right now too bad! 8ing is also responsible for DDPDOJ, so I'll take your word for it that it's the whip :cool:

Q-

[Shapermc]

This is like the thread that will not die.. I love it.

Anyways I would have to say that currently R-Type final is my drug of choice. Gradius is still my childhood love. ESPrade is still my adiction. Raizing is still my bitch.

All these different games offere something unique that you can not find anywhere else. My fav company would probably have to be Raizing/8ing. They just seem to have hit the sweet spot between manic and tactical.

I highly recomend that you use every game for what it is best at.

Cave: Scoreing systems
Raizing: Rank Management
Konami: Strategey/Power
IREM: Strategy/Technique
Takumi: Reflection

They all have their ups and downs and all are wonderful.

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by qube
8ing is also responsible for DDPDOJ, so I'll take your word for it that it's the whip :cool:

Q-
No, sorry. The only people associated with DOJ is Cave and then Akira published it.

Technically 8ing only put out one solo shmup: Battle Bakaraid. The more you know.

Dimahoo was the first game to use a color management system, not Ikaruga. The more you know.

[qube]

Originally posted by Shapermc
No, sorry. The only people associated with DOJ is Cave and then Akira published it.

You know what, you're right. I have only been playing 2 games lately, and the other one I have been playing is Naruto 2 Gekitou Ninja Taisen on GCN, and it is by Raizing/8ing. Just some late night 4am confusion there. My bad :emb:

Q-

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by qube
Do any of you guys find this game hard as well, or is it just because of my lack of teh skillz at shooters? I'm ok for the first couple of levels, but then the bullet patterns escape me. The screen seems to fill up faster than I can keep up with, and I just get outpaced by enemy fire, and end up trapped in a corner with nowhere to go. Watching the DVD that came with the game makes me feel even worse. The guy playing in that vid is sick! He combos into the 2000s, and I can't even get up above 800 :(

Anyone else think the game is tough, or just me....?

Q-
No offence to all who are here, but your more than likely in the wrong place to be asking these kinds of questions.

There is a Japanese Beginners Guide (http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~inu/daioujyou/index.html) that may help you for this game.

Other High Score threads may help you on this too:
TNL (http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17218)
Shmups Old (http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/~shmups/shmupsforum/viewtopic.php?t=1295)
Shmups New (http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/%7Eshmups/shmupsforum/viewtopic.php?t=5939)

I will get this game eventually.

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
I'm looking for an Eng version of course. Where?
Sorry that I missed this earlier. You may want to contact Coin-op Express (http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/capcom_cps_ii/Progear_Storm_of_Progia_259.html) as they seem to have a reasonably priced copy in stock. Also it is odd that they use the English name of the game not the jp name. It may mean that it is the US version of the game.

[Weevus]

Are there any good shooters on Sega CD?

Here are some of my favorite shooters
-Raiden 2 and Fighters
-All the R-types
-Einhander
-Darius Gaiden
-Both Gigawings
-Ikaruga
-Thuder Force V
-Zero Gunner 2 (import)
-All the Aerofighters
-In the Hunt
-Shikigami no Shiro (Mobile light force 2)

[qube]

Originally posted by Weevus
Are there any good shooters on Sega CD?


As far as I know, just Silpheed :)

Q-

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by Weevus
Are there any good shooters on Sega CD?
Here is all of them:

Android Assault
Keio Flying Squadron
Lords of Thunder
Robo Aleste
Silpheed
Sol-Feace
Wings of War

As far as I know Keio, Lords of Thunder, Robo Aleste, and Sol-Feace are the good ones. The other are not.

[5thlion5thlion]

i just finished paying r type complete for the tourbo duo very awsome the music is teh rocks

[BryLmoo]

r type
gradius
mars matrix
giga wing
1941
1942
....

they are all good. Strikers included.

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by 5thlion5thlion
i just finished paying r type complete for the tourbo duo very awsome the music is teh rocks
Hmm, then perhaps this may intrest you?

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-8n-70-3tp.html

[Kid Aphex]

Has anyone playe Hyper Duel for the Saturn?
I'm really wanting it...but can't find a decent review or pictures anywhere.

[Buro Destruct]

Originally posted by qube
I was seriously considering Psyvariar 2, but I've been hearing alot of so-so or just straight up bad things about it. I don't know wether to believe the anti-hype, or just try it for myself. Seeing as how I have other things to buy at the moment, and $60 bucks is alot of money to me right now, I think I'm going to wait for a price drop. Possibly pick it up used here at n-g.com :)

I love Gunwange, I wish it saw a console release. That seems to be a nagging problem with alot of Cave shmups :(

I've never played Dimahoo, is it a vertical shmup?

Q-
TOPIC RESURRECTION!

So I had a chance to play Psyvariar 2 at Kid Aphex's place today, albeit fairly briefly, and I'd have to recommend this game for immediate purchase for any shmup fan. It seemed a little on the easy side (I say that as I got my ass handed to me, it seems like with a little practice it would become easy) but honestly the buzz system is the most addicting play mechianic I've yet to come across in shmups.

Oh, and the music was fuckng ACE.

[Sundance]

Originally posted by Steve
-Radiant Silvergun
Unfortunately expensive, quality game w/ ace visuals, sound and gameplay. Perhaps too hyped up for its own good.

-Soukyugurentai
Dark feeling shmup. Tough as hell. Really cool

-Battle Garegga
thumbs up

-Shienryu
Bit of a Raiden clone, this one. Fun and adequately challenging.

-In the Hunt
Slowdown exists but still fun with some bad-ass looking bosses

-DoDonPachi
-Strikers 1945 Part II
-Cotton Boomerang
-Batsugun
-ThunderForce V
-ThunderForce Gold Pack 2 (TF Arcade and IV)
-Darius Gaiden
-Galactic Attack

Dido on all those. A shmup fan after my own heart/gunarm. I would add:
-Sengoku Blade
-Einhander
-Mars Matrix
-Ikaruga
-Bangaioh
-Hyper Duel
to the list though :cool:

[Takumaji]

Yeah, I'm also playing Psyvariar 2 a lot and it's addictive like crack... very nice game, I'm glad I purchased it. Can't say it's too easy on "hard", tho. :) ... about the music, well, guess it's all a matter of taste, it's not too good IMO but it's also not really bad so I'm cool with it.

Now I'm waiting for the DC release of Castle of Shikigami 2, hope it's better than the first part...

I've also been playing Gradius Gaiden on PSX a lot lately, I love that old-style powerup system, and the graphics are really cool. Some prefer the old 8-bit versions or G3 on the SNES but this version is my fave.

Hell, all I've been playing for the last week were shmups and KoFs...

[Kid Aphex]

Psyvariar 2 is so good :(

[Shapermc]

I have my Battle Garegga PCB up for trade over at the shmups.com forum. Great game... not my style of game though. Can't get into the groove. After not being able to get in the groove for the past 8 months that I have owned it I would rather have something that I can groove with.

[Verbatum]

Originally posted by Shapermc
I have my Battle Garegga PCB up for trade over at the shmups.com forum. Great game... not my style of game though. Can't get into the groove. After not being able to get in the groove for the past 8 months that I have owned it I would rather have something that I can groove with.

Still trying to 1-credit Armed Police Batrider?

[Shapermc]

Originally posted by Verbatum
Still trying to 1-credit Armed Police Batrider?
Advanced course, yes. I did 1CC Normal couse, but that was back on Oct. 9th '03. pretty low score, but I was aiming at completion then, not score ;) I was talking with Spike about that earlier in the week.

For some reason I "groove" better with APB.

PM at ya.

[SNKJorge]

Bumping this great thread.

Quick question:

Anyone know of any hidden bosses or characters in Sonic Wings Special?

[Verbatum]

A shooter I recommend:

Eliminate Down for the Mega Drive

Old school horizontal scrolling, three weapons on the fly, three levels of power, and some sweet music on the Mega Drive! A must play, but the game is a bit hard to find, and not cheap!

Still, grab it if you can: It's worth the price!

[Naiera]

Ahh. I've just got Night Raid and Batsugun is on it's way. Can't wait to turn in that final project so I can go home and reward myself with these two games :buttrock:

*wets his pants*

Oh yeah, I've got Matrimelee on the way too. What to play first!? :cool:

[Shapermc]

I still have that Garegga Board up for trade from page 7 :crying:

[Takumaji]

Still playing Shikigami no Shiro 2 and Psyvariar 2 on DC... Shikigami 2 seems very simple at first but it has its mean spots. Really nice graphics there... I'm also thinking of buying the Shikigami 2 appreciation DVD to watch the guys with the mad skillz... I've also seen some scenes of the Ikaruga DVD and it's just insane...

...and I can't get enough of Gradius Gaiden. Playing around with different weapon/powerup slot locations is the key of the game, it's cool how easy you can beat tricky situations with the right choice of powerups and options.

[FeelGood]

Radiant Silvergun, outside of the incredible soundtrack, will often be underestimated by gamers because seriously,

all hard shooters are the same

But when you really get into it, and study the master videos to get down your technique, you realize how incredible the game is, and how underdocumented it is.

Forever Sublime and I sat down studying the t-wizard video and going through the game trying to do shit, and realized that the game is really deep. So much goes on that you may overlook while just trying to survive. All the points to be earned...

As for my favorites, the list is immense. My all time favorite is 19XX though. I know it's probably not the best game evermade, but the nostalgia of playing it in the arcade all the time still lingers. ;)

[Magician]

Ah yes, shmups, one of the finest genres in the industry.

Back in the day, I remember playing Lifeforce over and over again with my friends. At that time, there weren't many co-op games, especially quality ones such as Lifeforce.

For a time I completely forgot the genre. During the 16-bit era it was all about the arcade ports and sports games for the Genesis, and the remakes and rpgs for the Super Nintendo. Shmups, just got lost in the fold. But then the 32-bit era hit, and I was quickly reminded as to how great shmups can be.

Radiant Silvergun presents one of the finest soundtracks to grace a human's ears. DoDonpachi has the most co-op-friendly gameplay of the lot. Ikaruga has awesome level design and attack patterns. Winds of Thunder has great bgm (I wish there was a soundtrack :( ). And Shikigami No Shiro 2 reminds me that the shmup genre isn't dead, and that we can/should expect great things in the future.

[Kid Aphex]

Shooters definitely possess a level of depth that's often overlooked by those that aren't obsessed with the genre.

I understand how crazy Silvergun is, because for the life of me, I can't beat it. I could never hope to 1CC it...the end of the 3rd level is literally too much for me to handle.

But Ikaruga? Wow. There's just so much to that game.
While watching videos is great in its own way...I only rec' it after you've played the game and feel you're at a hill you just can't climb...too many secrets and tactics are revealed in most shmup-replays to me, and it ruins the experience of nailing that first 90+ chain in level one, for example.

If you want my honest opinion, Ikaruga is the finest shooter ever made.

Ikaruga is a shooter, a puzzler, and a canvas with which you can express yourself on any given day. It, like Tetris, NEVER GETS OLD TO ME. I just played it FOUR hours straight, looping the first two levels to further master them, and I'm already craving more.

Ikaruga or Vagina? I just don't know anymore.

[FeelGood]

If you want my honest opinion, Ikaruga is the finest shooter ever made.


it's that puzzler aspect of Ikaruga that I hate it for.

I don't want to think when I play a shooter. I just want to sink in, dissolve, and play off instinct, like a protozoan.

[Kid Aphex]

Guys, lets not forget Gradius V.
Please.

Listen, you fucking IDIOTS.

I HAVE PLAYED GRADIUS FIVE, AND I CAN TELL YOU---

ITS THE FINEST SHOOTER EVER CRAFTED

The amount of EXPRESSION offered via VARIOUS 'option' choices is going to set your FACE on FIRE. And simultaneous CO-OP play with those options?!!!?

END
LES
SEN
TER
TAI
NME
NT!

[FeelGood]

did anyone mention einhander.

ok. just checking. haha.

[Shapermc]

I HAVE PLAYED GRADIUS FIVE, AND I CAN TELL YOU---
I have to call bullshit. How in the hell did you play this?

[FeelGood]

I have to call bullshit. How in the hell did you play this?

this old emulator, called PEYOTE, lets you play it

[Kid Aphex]

I have to call bullshit. How in the hell did you play this?

I played it SO MUCH at E3 last year. I must've played through the first two levels at least ten times. So did Sean [Buro] and seriously...the Konami rep monitoring GV got to KNOW us from the frequency of our visits. It was easily game of the show last year.

Co-Op, unlike other Gradius', seems to be FUN instead of a chore.

If you know Gradius [which I'm sure you do, this is for those who don't] you'll know that two player simultaneous play was never a part of the series...but in this game, its not only there, its genius. Creating sweeping laser layers with one characters Options while the other creates a protective barrier for the two of you with his Spinning Options is nothing short of genius. The game is GOD LIKE. Shooter of the CENTURY. SHOOTER OF ALL TIME.

[Kid Aphex]

this old emulator, called PEYOTE, lets you play it



Salvia Divinorum.

[FeelGood]

I played it SO MUCH at E3 last year. I must've played through the first two levels at least ten times. So did Sean [Buro] and seriously...the Konami rep monitoring GV got to KNOW us from the frequency of our visits. It was easily game of the show last year.

Co-Op, unlike other Gradius', seems to be FUN instead of a chore.

If you know Gradius [which I'm sure you do, this is for those who don't] you'll know that two player simultaneous play was never a part of the series...but in this game, its not only there, its genius. Creating sweeping laser layers with one characters Options while the other creates a protective barrier for the two of you with his Spinning Options is nothing short of genius. The game is GOD LIKE. Shooter of the CENTURY. SHOOTER OF ALL TIME.


tell me wha tyou think after playing it for a month...

[Shapermc]

I played it SO MUCH at E3 last year. I must've played through the first two levels at least ten times. So did Sean [Buro] and seriously...the Konami rep monitoring GV got to KNOW us from the frequency of our visits. It was easily game of the show last year. .

That is right, I forgot how freaking long ago this was announced. Anyways diden't Treasure say they scrapped almost everything since that build? Sorry for the bullshit call I now recall people posting here while at E3 last year about the game.

[Kid Aphex]

tell me wha tyou think after playing it for a month...

See you in August.

But I'm a pretty big fanboy of the series, so I doubt I'll ever get tired of it.

Really, I don't think you quite understand. Treasure, my absolutely FAVORITE developer, gets the KEYS to the VIC VIPER?! It was like a DREAM COME TRUE---and when I heard the news, I started to believe reality was nothing more than an extension of MY MIND.

Treasure + Gradius + Playstation 2 = More than most women could ever hope to offer me.

[FeelGood]

hmmn.

that makes it interesting.

I didn't know treasure was involved.

because frankly, I wasn't into Gradius before. I mean, it felt like something was lacking compared to R-Type, etc.

[Kid Aphex]

That is right, I forgot how freaking long ago this was announced. Anyways diden't Treasure say they scrapped almost everything since that build? Sorry for the bullshit call I now recall people posting here while at E3 last year about the game.

I dont think so.
All i heard that was tweaked was the difficulty---to be made easier.
Which is bullshit.

I like my fucking games dipped in a shitstorm, coated with difficulty, sprinkled with rubix cubes, and SOAKED in impossibility. HARD = REPLAY VALUE.

[Verbatum]

If you want my honest opinion, Ikaruga is the finest shooter ever made.

I HAVE PLAYED GRADIUS FIVE, AND I CAN TELL YOU---

ITS THE FINEST SHOOTER EVER CRAFTED




So which is it?

[Kid Aphex]

So which is it?

Gradius V isn't out yet.
Not that difficult to understand.

[Verbatum]

Gradius V isn't out yet.
Not that difficult to understand.

My point exactally.

[FeelGood]

being difficult doesn't make a game better...

[SNKJorge]

What shmups are you guys currently playing?

ME:

Blazing Star
Sonic Wings 3
Pro-Gear No Arashi (Love this game, everything I expected)

[SEGA_X]

lately Ive been playing Shikigami No Shiro 2 I really like this game alot
So far here my favorite Shmups
Sat
-------------
Shienryu
Cotton boomerrang
Batsugun
Galactic Attack
Don Pachi
Soukyogourentai

DC
---------------
Zero gunner 2
Border Down
Shikigami no shiro 2
Giga Wing 2

Turbo grafx 16/cd
------------------------
Aero blasters
Soldier blade
Sapphire
Super Star Soldier
Final Soldier

Sega Gen and CD
-------------------------
Raiden trad
Sol-feace
Lords of thunder
Android Assualt
Gaiares
M.U.S.H.A.
Arrow Flash

[SNKJorge]

My CURRENT Top Shmups:

•Sengoku Blade
•Strikers 1945 Plus
•Pro-Gear No Arashi
•Blazing Star
•Gunbird 2
•Sonic Wings 3
•Sonic Wings Special
•Shikagami No Shiro 2
•Battle Garegga

[eight one]

I still have that Garegga Board up for trade from page 7 :crying:

Would you mind holding it until I get back from vacation (3rd week of May)?

I need to get a BG board, might as well be from you.

[eight one]

I dont think so.
All i heard that was tweaked was the difficulty---to be made easier.
Which is bullshit.

I like my fucking games dipped in a shitstorm, coated with difficulty, sprinkled with rubix cubes, and SOAKED in impossibility. HARD = REPLAY VALUE.

Cave couldn't do that for you? For shame. :crying:

[Verbatum]

Currently Playing:

Eliminate Down

Iridion 2

R-Type Final

Guwange

Shienryu Explosion

Ikaruga

Radiant Silvergun

[Loopz]

Really, I don't think you quite understand. Treasure, my absolutely FAVORITE developer, gets the KEYS to the VIC VIPER?! It was like a DREAM COME TRUE---and when I heard the news, I started to believe reality was nothing more than an extension of MY MIND.

It's almost more like they got the keys back...since likely the folks that originally left Konami to form Treasure probably were the ones who made the first couple installments (along with Contra of course). I've been looking forward to this game for a long-ass time myself, and I really hope it delivers. At least there's finally a date for the import.

I can only hope this entire project is successful from a sales standpoint, since it may lead to other things...can you imagine a Contra done by the real masters?
Holy shit that would be dope!

[kaos]

Currently Playing:

Eliminate Down

Iridion 2

R-Type Final

Guwange

Shienryu Explosion

Ikaruga

Radiant Silvergun

wha??
no "gates of thunder"



:D
so, how you doin' man?
you know what?
after having looked for a Guwange board since then
and after having played Progear no arashi for months(as I said It was the only reason I got a supergun)
I thought to turn to the dark side:(....if you know what I mean
I'd like to play it so bad along with Ketsui and espRaDe

http://www.world-of-arcades.com/Cave/cave.htm

laters

[SNKJorge]

wha??
no "gates of thunder"



:D
so, how you doin' man?
you know what?
after having looked for a Guwange board since then
and after having played Progear no arashi for months(as I said It was the only reason I got a supergun)
I thought to turn to the dark side:(....if you know what I mean
I'd like to play it so bad along with Ketsui and espRaDe

http://www.world-of-arcades.com/Cave/cave.htm

laters

I am getting a SuperGun so that I can play more arcade shooters.
For Pro-Gear I have a CPS2 Capcom Impress Cab....
Kits of Ketsui, ESPRade, ESPGaluda are next on my list.

[kiun]

question for all the shumps experts:

Which version of Shikigami no Shiro 2 should I buy? :

gamecube, ps2, xbox, or dc?

[Verbatum]

wha??
no "gates of thunder"



:D
so, how you doin' man?
you know what?
after having looked for a Guwange board since then
and after having played Progear no arashi for months(as I said It was the only reason I got a supergun)
I thought to turn to the dark side:(....if you know what I mean
I'd like to play it so bad along with Ketsui and espRaDe

http://www.world-of-arcades.com/Cave/cave.htm

laters

I'm doin' good man! Yeah, No Gate or Winds of thunder TODAY , but tonight....

Anyway, I know what you mean abot the darkside. Think of it like this: The real deal is the best, but masturbation will do fine. For now anyway. :tickled:

[Trey Burnout]

question for all the shumps experts:

Which version of Shikigami no Shiro 2 should I buy? :

gamecube, ps2, xbox, or dc?


I'd go with the DC or the PS2 ver

[Kid Aphex]

Wow man, welcome back

[Verbatum]

question for all the shumps experts:

Which version of Shikigami no Shiro 2 should I buy? :

gamecube, ps2, xbox, or dc?

The PS2 version for sure. I have (had) all 4, and the PS2 one is the tops of the bunch.

[SNKJorge]

The PS2 version for sure. I have (had) all 4, and the PS2 one is the tops of the bunch.

Could you explain why?

[qube]

I'd go with the DC or the PS2 ver

Fucking sweet. Welcome back Yung!

For me, I'm still playing R-Type Final and DoDonpachi Dai Ou Jou. I have, however, been putting in much more time lately with Donpachi. I still love this game, and can play it for hours on end. Something about that time period in videogaming really appeals to me. The Saturn really was an amazing machine :)

*wonders to self* Will the PS2 overtake the Saturn as the best shmup system of all time?

Q-

[Metal Fatigue]

Too many pages to read atm.

Currently playing on the daily:

- Border Down DC
- Psyvariar 2 DC
- Castle of Shikigami No Shiro II DC (easily one of the best shooters yet)
- Zero Gunner 2 DC

-Ikaruga DC (twice a month or more, cant get past 3rd or 4th still)

Still need Bangai-O and Mars Matrix for DC.

As for someone stated earlier which system to get Shikigami II for, if you have a DC go for it no questions asked. I heard there arent really differences and their all good, I still think DC is the better shmups system. The whole anti-aliasing vs. no anti-aliasing thing has always left me lovin the DC much more. Grannit PS2 has some amazing shooters as well (gradius V etc..).

[Naiera]

The Saturn really was an amazing machine :)

*wonders to self* Will the PS2 overtake the Saturn as the best shmup system of all time?

Q-

The PSX versions of Donpachi and Dodonpachi were better conversions.

And yes, I actually think the PS2 is on track to overtake the Saturn with regards to number of great shooters. A lot has already come out, and we're just waiting for the library to expand with stuff like ESP Galuda, and other multi-platform releases.

[Verbatum]

Could you explain why?

Oh, sure:

1. The best color of the 4

2. New graphics enhancements for the baddies (new colors added and such)

3. Newly remasterd Soundtrack, voice and SFX

4. Smoother use of "Wait"

5. Higher resolution

6. This isn't that important, but: The figure it comes with is groovy!

[gmw]

Currently playing:

Psyvariar Revision
Double Shienryu
Border Down
Chou Aniki: Legend of the Holy Protein
Ikaruga
Guwange

[SNKJorge]

Quick ignorant question here.

Games like ESPRade, ESPGaruda, and Ketsui are straight Jamma correct?

What's everyone system of choice for shooters?

[gmw]

I'm pretty sure that all Cave boards are straight JAMMA.

By system do you mean arcade or home? For home system, I thought I'd never say this, but the PS2 has become THE shmup system over the last year - way too many great shooters for a spirit-less next gen rig.

[Naiera]

I don't care where the good games are to be found. As long as the games are good... And yes, the PS2 seems to be inheriting the Saturn's place as teh shooter system.

[SNKJorge]

Does everyone here like playing on Tate mode if the option is available in
the game you're playing?

[Loopz]

What's everyone system of choice for shooters?

You'll hate my answer....but....my system of choice for shooters is...

MAME! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sorry dude, but fuck all the space-consuming motherboards and shit.
I buy home versions when possible, but the fact is that MAME is indispensable for the true shooter addict. Otherwise, there is no way possible to play Guwange, Dangon Feveron, ESPRade, etc.

It's not as if I could even play these legit at an arcade if I wanted to.

[Verbatum]

Quick ignorant question here.

Games like ESPRade, ESPGaruda, and Ketsui are straight Jamma correct?

What's everyone system of choice for shooters?

That is correct, they are Straight JAMMA. I have an almost complete Cave collection, and the only 2 that are NOT Straight Jamma is Arashi No Progear (CPS2), and DonDonPachi 2: Bee Storm (IGS PGM, but technically made by IGS).

[Verbatum]

Does everyone here like playing on Tate mode if the option is available in
the game you're playing?

I have a TV dedicated to Tate mode, and my JAMMA boards!

[Youkai]

Lately I've been buying Genesis shooters from left to right.

Recently I've been playing Thunder Force II, Arrow Flash, and Insector X.

[SNKJorge]

That is correct, they are Straight JAMMA. I have an almost complete Cave collection, and the only 2 that are NOT Straight Jamma is Arashi No Progear (CPS2), and DonDonPachi 2: Bee Storm (IGS PGM, but technically made by IGS).

Nice. So this means plug & play on a massystems supergun...?
I have pro-gear & DDP2 is on its way ( I know the PGM systems = carts).
Thanks for the answer.

As for loopz, understandable. Not everyone has the space to keep all
the boards.

[Naiera]

Or the money. How much is, say, a Guwange or Pro-Gear board?

[SNKJorge]

Or the money. How much is, say, a Guwange or Pro-Gear board?

From my personal experience, regarding Pro-Gear.

For a green loose board around $250+shipping.

Now for a blue board, I actually have never seen a loose one, but I can
tell you that Blue US kits go for at least $600+
The blue version of this game had a very small run, under maybe 50
pieces according to Vinh.

[Naiera]

OK, that's not as bad as I thought. If I had a SuperGun or a decent cab I'd splash out for a Pro-Gear board. MOTW cost me more anyway...

[Verbatum]

Nice. So this means plug & play on a massystems supergun...?
I have pro-gear & DDP2 is on its way ( I know the PGM systems = carts).
Thanks for the answer.

As for loopz, understandable. Not everyone has the space to keep all
the boards.

Yep, you should have no prob with your Mass set. I use a Sigma for all my arcade stuff, and I have yet to run into any problems.

By the way, you'll love Bee Storm. It gets lots of hate (mostly from people who have never played it), so ignore it. I've had it for some time, and it might be my fave in the DonPachi series. Plus, there are some nice secret tactics to discover, but I won't spoil it for you!

[Verbatum]

Or the money. How much is, say, a Guwange or Pro-Gear board?

Guwange will run you in-between $200-250. WORTH EVERY PENNY! This is the vertical shooter to own.

[SNKJorge]

Yep, you should have no prob with your Mass set. I use a Sigma for all my arcade stuff, and I have yet to run into any problems.

By the way, you'll love Bee Storm. It gets lots of hate (mostly from people who have never played it), so ignore it. I've had it for some time, and it might be my fave in the DonPachi series. Plus, there are some nice secret tactics to discover, but I won't spoil it for you!

Cool, thanks for the heads up on Bee Storm.

[Takumaji]

Does everyone here like playing on Tate mode if the option is available in
the game you're playing?

Yes of course, the games look and play much smoother in Tate mode because they were made for that. I also hate those huge black borders left and right if you play a v-shmup in normal mode. AFAIK this is also called panorama mode or something, at least the PSX Raiden collection has something like it.

I have a small 15 yrs. old Philips MultiSync rgb monitor for vertical shmups with Tate option that doesn't mind rotating even if it's running, there are no magnetized color rings or anything.

Once I also rotated my big-ass Toshiba but it's really not a good idea to do that, tho I loved playing Ikaruga (DC) and Strikers 1945 II (PSX) on it.... really phat

About the best system for shmups, I guess the ranking list would look something like this:

1 - Arcade/gun
2 - Saturn
3 - PS2
4 - DC
5 - PSX
6 - PC Engine/Duo
7 - MD
8 - other

What do you guys think?

[Naiera]

I think you've hit the nail on the head. You could argue for the PCE to be higher though, because there are SH*TLOADS of shooters out there for it ;)

[Takumaji]

I think you've hit the nail on the head. You could argue for the PCE to be higher though, because there are SH*TLOADS of shooters out there for it ;)

On the first try I placed the PSX after the PCE but as much as I like most Engine shmups, there simply are too many great 90s shmup ports available for the ol' Sony box.

Mega Drive is another beast... on a personal fave-shmup-systems list I'd rate it even higher than the PCE because of games like MUSHA, Raiden Trad or the ThunderForce series, TF IV still kicks, hard as nails but cool as hell.

[Shapermc]

Would you mind holding it until I get back from vacation (3rd week of May)?

I need to get a BG board, might as well be from you.
As of now my BG board is on hold. :)

None the less here is what is on my plate:

Darius R (Finally done with this 1LC)
R-Type Final (Working on a solid level 4 boss pattern)
DDP: DOJ (Sitting at house, waiting for modded PS2 in mail :D )
ESPrade is in my Vert cab, but I really am just messing with this now. After level 4 I am pure crap. I have not beat level four yet on 1C, but I can get to the boss on a good day. My skills are still weak.

too_short: I unfortunatly have a TV that is not tate-able. It is large enough that un-squashed games in yoko mode look larger than my 25" monitor does tate-ed :) Unfortunatly if there is pixil shrinking it looks all distorted and messed up. Also DDP 2 Bee Storm is decent, better than it is givin credit for many times. Honestly it is just the DDP name on it that I did not like as it would have been better just looking like a DDP ripoff and having been called Bee Storm. It just does not feel like a Pachi game at all.

About PGM stuff it is the same hardware for Ketsui, DDP:DOJ, and ESPGaluga too, but they are just dedicated boards running the PGM hardware (similar to the MVS Jamma boards as of late). The hardware is more than capable, don't be tricked into thinking that a cart system will hold it back.

[Kid Aphex]

I'd like to get a tate-able monitor---lcd, sleek looking, etc.

But you know, they usually look like ass in your living room.

[SNKJorge]

As of now my BG board is on hold. :)

None the less here is what is on my plate:

Darius R (Finally done with this 1LC)
R-Type Final (Working on a solid level 4 boss pattern)
DDP: DOJ (Sitting at house, waiting for modded PS2 in mail :D )
ESPrade is in my Vert cab, but I really am just messing with this now. After level 4 I am pure crap. I have not beat level four yet on 1C, but I can get to the boss on a good day. My skills are still weak.

too_short: I unfortunatly have a TV that is not tate-able. It is large enough that un-squashed games in yoko mode look larger than my 25" monitor does tate-ed :) Unfortunatly if there is pixil shrinking it looks all distorted and messed up. Also DDP 2 Bee Storm is decent, better than it is givin credit for many times. Honestly it is just the DDP name on it that I did not like as it would have been better just looking like a DDP ripoff and having been called Bee Storm. It just does not feel like a Pachi game at all.

About PGM stuff it is the same hardware for Ketsui, DDP:DOJ, and ESPGaluga too, but they are just dedicated boards running the PGM hardware (similar to the MVS Jamma boards as of late). The hardware is more than capable, don't be tricked into thinking that a cart system will hold it back.

Cool, didn't know they were PGM jamma boards.

[Verbatum]

Cool, didn't know they were PGM jamma boards.


The only Cave game that is a PGM cart is Bee storm. Ketsui and all others are JAMMA PCB's

[Shapermc]

The only Cave game that is a PGM cart is Bee storm. Ketsui and all others are JAMMA PCB's
No, IGS were the Devs. Cave had no hand in the game. Here is a decent review although I would give Bee Storm a 7.5:

http://www.shmups.com/reviews/ddp2/index.html

[Verbatum]

No, IGS were the Devs. Cave had no hand in the game. Here is a decent review although I would give Bee Storm a 7.5:

http://www.shmups.com/reviews/ddp2/index.html

Yeah, I know, but I still consider it in the "Cave Family".

[Loopz]

Guwange will run you in-between $200-250. WORTH EVERY PENNY! This is the vertical shooter to own.

Gotta concur here. One of my most-played MAME games. Guwange is truly awesome....such a cool ass original theme, great music, well-planned difficulty.
If I had a cab I'd try to find it for sure.

[Kid Aphex]

Gotta concur here. One of my most-played MAME games. Guwange is truly awesome....such a cool ass original theme, great music, well-planned difficulty.
If I had a cab I'd try to find it for sure.

Time for you to get a modded Xbox.

[FeelGood]

after getting the modded x-box, I have learned that Cave is probably the greatest game making company around right now.

The Donpachi series, Guwange, Progear, everything

[kaos]

Time for you to get a modded Xbox.

DON'T FUCKING encourage me, please
I want but I don't want

sure thing is I'd like to play that game so hard
I've played it just 1 time in my life and I remained as stoned
It looks like board is nearly impossible to find
I contacted coinopexpress and others as well
and I don trust some HK seller
plus I want it good shape and boxed
WTH!!

[Loopz]

after getting the modded x-box, I have learned that Cave is probably the greatest game making company around right now.

Damn straight. Can you name any other company that's brought out so much 2D goodness the last five years? These games remain damn near totally unnoticed too. Cave fucking ROCKS.

A modded XBox wwould be cool, but I don't even have a TV right now.
I lost it in the 'divorce'. My PC with PS-to-USB adaptor is more than sufficient.
BTW....Radiant Silvergun (via Titan) support is the next big gem that will be supported in MAME. I dunno if the XBox will be powerful enough to run it though...

[FeelGood]

yeah, I really miss playing Radiant Silvergun. I forgot why I sold it...

oh yeah, women.

[qube]

Since we're on the topic of Cave shmups...

Can anyone actually play DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou like the guy on the DVD?

I have been playing this game nonstop for months now, and I'm still shitty at the damn thing. I can't combo above 700, I can only get to stage 3 boss on 1 credit (on normal level w/ 5 ships :( ), and I can't point higher than 16 million! When you guys play how do you compare to my low ass scores and combos?

It seems that I can't continue the combo sometimes when I think I am doing everything right :spock: Maybe my transition into the beam-shot is too slow?

Q-