Question about wine

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

I have to create a story about my Greek god, Dionysus, who is god of wine, and in my story he is supposed to create the best tasting wine in the world, but, being 14 years old, I don't know what makes wine taste good. Does good wine taste sweet? If wine is more sweet does it taste better? In my story the god is challenged to create the most ____ wine in the world. I would put best tasting (I'd remove most), but I'd like to know if there is anything else I could put in there instead of that. What does good wine taste like?

K_K · Oct 23, 2003

it all depends on the grape, wine grapes are sour grapes, and have a completely different taste than the grapes you buy in the store, they are also grown for their color, a wine grape has a different smell, and based on the grapes color (red, or white) that's the kind of wine you'll get, from a nice cabernat sauvingon, to a well aged chianti, all wine is different, and there's no real way to be a wine expert, a wine connosouire yes, but not an expert. i'd say go a local winery, or a vineyard, and learn more about the wine making process. if you live in texas, or california, that would be easy as there are vineyards all over the texas hill country, and the napa valley in cali. just look around man.

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

Kim _Kaphwan said:
it all depends on the grape, wine grapes are sour grapes, and have a completely different taste than the grapes you buy in the store, they are also grown for their color, a wine grape has a different smell, and based on the grapes color (red, or white) that's the kind of wine you'll get, from a nice cabernat sauvingon, to a well aged chianti, all wine is different, and there's no real way to be a wine expert, a wine connosouire yes, but not an expert. i'd say go a local winery, or a vineyard, and learn more about the wine making process. if you live in texas, or california, that would be easy as there are vineyards all over the texas hill country, and the napa valley in cali. just look around man.

so very sweet wine tastes good? Do people like sweet wine? Is it like the sweeter it is the better?

qube · Oct 23, 2003

It all depends on what your particular taste is actually. A sweet white wine, like a Piesporter, may be what you prefer. Some people, like myself, find dry red wines to be more enjoyable. In the case of Cabernet Sauvignon's, they are too dry in my opinion, I prefer Merlot's or Shiraz's to the cab's. Although a large portion of Merlots are somewhat sweet, there are some good dry ones available. Shit, I'm totally straying aren't I?

What makes a wine "good" or "great" is subjective to taste, much like anything else. For reds it can depend on the tannens in the skin of the grapes, where they were grown, how long the wine has aged, how well the fruit was harvested that particular year, and many other factors. All of those factors can also affect white wines, but I am not as familiar with whites, so I can't really comment on them

You should probably narrow down the type of wine you are trying to describe, and then ask this question again. I would stick to one of the main varieties of wine such as a Port, Merlot, Charrdoney, Zinfandel (reds are excellent!), Piesporter, Pino Noir, and so on. It will probably make it easier for someone with the appropriate knowledge to answer your question

Stay away from more obscure wines like Ice wine and Tuscan reds, as information is not as readily available.

Sorry this was not exactly the answer you wanted, but I hope it helps

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qube · Oct 23, 2003

Hildegarn326 said:
so very sweet wine tastes good? Do people like sweet wine? Is it like the sweeter it is the better?

Not at all my friend, I personally don't care for "sweet" flavours. They don't agree with my palet when drinking wine I suppose. Unless I am eating something rather dry, then I will have a glass of Chianti or a sweeter Pino Noir.

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K_K · Oct 23, 2003

no i never said anything about sweet wine, sweet wine is often the low brow type of wine, like that wine in a box, or wild irish rose, or that arbor mist shit; pansy ass sweet wine. wine is supposed to be tart, you know have a bite, but the bite is hidden by an almost smoky flavor, it's really hard to descrbe a good wine you'll just know it. and note the only reason i know anything about wine is because my parents have us all drink wine every year at thanksgiving and christmas, and any other formal meal we have. and that's another thing wine goes based on what you're eating. like if you're eating chicken you drink a white wine, steak calls ofr a red wine. red meat red wine so to speak.

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

qube said:
It all depends on what your particular taste is actually. A sweet white wine, like a Piesporter, may be what you prefer. Some people, like myself, find dry red wines to be more enjoyable. In the case of Cabernet Sauvignon's, they are too dry in my opinion, I prefer Merlot's or Shiraz's to the cab's. Although a large portion of Merlots are somewhat sweet, there are some good dry ones available. Shit, I'm totally straying aren't I?

What makes a wine "good" or "great" is subjective to taste, much like anything else. For reds it can depend on the tannens in the skin of the grapes, where they were grown, how long the wine has aged, how well the fruit was harvested that particular year, and many other factors. All of those factors can also affect white wines, but I am not as familiar with whites, so I can't really comment on them

You should probably narrow down the type of wine you are trying to describe, and then ask this question again. I would stick to one of the main varieties of wine such as a Port, Merlot, Charrdoney, Zinfandel (reds are excellent!), Piesporter, Pino Noir, and so on. It will probably make it easier for someone with the appropriate knowledge to answer your question Stay away from more obscure wines like Ice wine and Tuscan reds, as information is not as readily available.

Sorry this was not exactly the answer you wanted, but I hope it helps

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Thanks, I'd like to know about red wine. Can you answer my questions in relation to red wine? Also can wine be sour? In my story I think I'll have it so that first the wine is too sweet, and then too ____, but what can the blank be?

qube · Oct 23, 2003

Kim _Kaphwan said:
[ and that's another thing wine goes based on what you're eating. like if you're eating chicken you drink a white wine, steak calls ofr a red wine. red meat red wine so to speak.

Good point here, although in recent years the face of wine has changed so much that this no longer holds true, as it used to. You will find much more variety in the types of wines being consumed with certain pairing these days. Much in the same vein as Pork. It used to be that you never ate pork cooked less than well done! Now medium is the standard in dining circles. Go figure huh?

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Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

so what is very expenive and not cheap-ass wine like?

FeelGood · Oct 23, 2003

Dionysus was all about partying. Wine was just a part of it. The main thing was get the girls drunk enough for massive orgies.

You should write a story about trying make the biggest orgy ever. I don't care if you're 14.

It will help if you can try to do this in real life. Call up a bunch of girls and tell them what you have in mind, then have then call up guys. See if it works out for you. Good luck.

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

EvilWasabi said:
Dionysus was all about partying. Wine was just a part of it. The main thing was get the girls drunk enough for massive orgies.

You should write a story about trying make the biggest orgy ever. I don't care if you're 14.

It will help if you can try to do this in real life. Call up a bunch of girls and tell them what you have in mind, then have then call up guys. See if it works out for you. Good luck.

Can we get back to the subject please

K_K · Oct 23, 2003

qube said:
Good point here, although in recent years the face of wine has changed so much that this no longer holds true, as it used to. You will find much more variety in the types of wines being consumed with certain pairing these days. Much in the same vein as Pork. It used to be that you never ate pork cooked less than well done! Now medium is the standard in dining circles. Go figure huh?

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well when it comes to pork i find a nice mulled wine makes a good chaser to the meat itself, and how could you find the cabernet's too dry man? that is my favorite type of wine nice and smooth, yet sultry like a dimly lit nightclub with a saxophone player setting the mood with a smooth soft jazzy tune, and the smoke of a hundred different cigarettes filling the room, just plain cool.

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

So I could first say it is too dry, then I could say it is too what? What is the opposite of dry in terms of wine? Sweet?

FeelGood · Oct 23, 2003

Hildegarn326 said:
Can we get back to the subject please

pfft. fag.

K_K · Oct 23, 2003

Hildegarn326 said:
so what is very expenive and not cheap-ass wine like?

well if you want a really expensive ass wine then go for some amontillado, very fancy, very french, and very pricey. a well aged bottle of it will cost you like an arm and a leg though. and it's a red wine, which means if you were going for a grecian theme it would suit the meal fine, as they eat red meat over there a bit, but then again they also eat a lot of fish, and in that case a red wine would be competely off, and really take away from the flavor of the meal.

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

Hildegarn326 said:
So I could first say it is too dry, then I could say it is too what? What is the opposite of dry in terms of wine? Sweet?

K_K · Oct 23, 2003

Hildegarn326 said:
So I could first say it is too dry, then I could say it is too what? What is the opposite of dry in terms of wine? Sweet?

well when a wine is too dry, it tends to not be as tart as a wine that is less dry, note tart means a wine is a bit more sour, not like sour patch kids sour, but...damn i can't describe it without using an analogy for wine, don't your parents have a few bottles? go taste some of it, and figure out what you like.

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

Kim _Kaphwan said:
well when a wine is too dry, it tends to not be as tart as a wine that is less dry, note tart means a wine is a bit more sour, not like sour patch kids sour, but...damn i can't describe it without using an analogy for wine, don't your parents have a few bottles? go taste some of it, and figure out what you like.

I'm 14! So I could say first the wine is too dry, then it is too tart? Would that sound right to someone who has tasted wine before?

FeelGood · Oct 23, 2003

you're going to get a C on your project if you don't make this about getting pussy. Dionysus, for god's sake, wouldn't give a shit about making a great wine. He's not a "producer." That's like fucking Hephaestus (Vulcan) who wants to make shit. Dionysus just drinks, sits around fatty, and fucks chicks. He's the Ron Jeremy of the greek gods, and you want him to be like Sonoma County's Bartles and James.

qube · Oct 23, 2003

Kim _Kaphwan said:
but then again they also eat a lot of fish, and in that case a red wine would be competely off, and really take away from the flavor of the meal.

Try a nice Red Zinfandel with fish. It will completely change your mind on this. Robert Mondavi has a very affordable Red zin that you should try, I believe it runs no more than $25 bucks a bottle

After years of fine dining serving, bartending, and wine classes the one thing I learned is that there is no such thing as an impossible wine pairing!

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tsukaesugi · Oct 23, 2003

Try too dry... to sweet... to tart... then just right.

And EW is right... Dionysius wasn't a producer, he was a consumer.

K_K · Oct 23, 2003

Hildegarn326 said:
I'm 14! So I could say first the wine is too dry, then it is too tart? Would that sound right to someone who has tasted wine before?

go fucking take a few sips, it's not going to kill you stupid. it's just wine, it's not hard liquor, and it's not going to get you drunk after a few sips. and i'm with wasabi here as well, dyonisus, just drank, he didn't make it, he just drank it to get drunk.

FeelGood · Oct 23, 2003

Cheap wine or not, as long as it gets you drunk. That's all that matters.

Hildegarn326 · Oct 23, 2003

tsukaesugi said:
Try too dry... to sweet... to tart... then just right.

And EW is right... Dionysius wasn't a producer, he was a consumer.

I know that but I have to use props and stuff for story, and I don't think my teacher would like me to do the story on orgies

And I don't think it is Dionysuis. I think that's some other guy

K_K · Oct 23, 2003

qube said:
Try a nice Red Zinfandel with fish. It will completely change your mind on this. Robert Mondavi has a very affordable Red zin that you should try, I believe it runs no more than $25 bucks a bottle After years of fine dining serving, bartending, and wine classes the one thing I learned is that there is no such thing as an impossible wine pairing!

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alright here's one that might stump you. cajun food, and not just any cajun food. red beans and rice, crawfish pie, and a big bowl of gumbo to chase it all down...what wine would you drink then barkeep?

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