Are neo ports better than the real deal ?

Lee Gray · Oct 5, 2003

As the topic asks.

All the neo geo games that are being ported over to the more powerful new generation machines , with added extras and so forth, do they play just as good or even better than the neo carts and if so why are us neo geo aes/mvs owners paying out big bucks for games you can get for less than a quarter of the price ?

After all the more expensive original source should not be an inferior copy.

Obviously if i owned the ports though... my opinion would be different

evil wasabi · Oct 5, 2003

Carts will always be superior for not having load times. Extras are just fluff. No arcade stick has a 4 button across setup so it is innately terrible for Neo games.

My opinions

Zayon · Oct 5, 2003

Weeell.. it kinda depends on what you are looking for really. I suppose the newer consoles might be able to... I dunno, freshen up the Neo Geo ports somehow. But I'm after arcade perfection with these games, so for me it's either MVS or AES, and right now, it's AES only.

Galford Forever · Oct 5, 2003

lithy said:
Carts will always be superior for not having load times. Extras are just fluff. No arcade stick has a 4 button across setup so it is innately terrible for Neo games.

My opinions

That's a solid argument. I've always felt that playing fighting games on my other systems paled in comparison to playing on the Neo. I've got arcade sticks for the other system, but they never "felt" right, and the sticks were always made for general purpose use, and weren't geared toward the game I was playing.

Marco-big-bro · Oct 5, 2003

The spirit of those games are of an other generation...
Who wants to bother with a FXXXXX CD?
Anyway it depends of the money you want to spend:
If there is realy no way you can buy the AES, go for a non Neo game.
And it also depends if you're in the NEO spirit:
If you're used to play with the Neo stick and having the AES, you will never find the same feeling on other platforms.

NEO AES are better and more simple (for instance who realy cares of all the options in MS3 PS2, it's coll but the game doesn't changes...)

Lee Gray · Oct 5, 2003

Its been so long that i owned any other system, i forgot all these new systems are cd based. do they have suck ass loading times then or just minimal ?

Piccolo_DBz · Oct 5, 2003

I played last blade and MOTW on the DC, The MVS/AES version IMO is alot better

GunstarHero · Oct 5, 2003

Well, I haven't played any ports of Neo games, but I can't envision them being better than the real deal. First off PS2 doesn't have the AES controller, and it will have load times. In what ways do you think the port may be 'better' anyway? Graphically better? Better Audio? I mean come on Lee, Neo gamers aren't exactly graphics whores and technophiles. Do you want the ports to have updated graphics and audio? Obviously ports are a 'better' value, but I want the best and am willing to pay for it. Not only that, I'm in essence buying some modern day nostalgia, which playing the port on a next gen system just cannot supply me with. Plus it helps keep the ole AES alive by buying the carts. If everybody just bought the ports then you can say bye bye to anymore home cart releases. Which is probably coming shortly anyway, but who really wants it to stop?

evil wasabi · Oct 5, 2003

Lee Gray said:
Its been so long that i owned any other system, i forgot all these new systems are cd based. do they have suck ass loading times then or just minimal ?

Loading times have improved since Saturn PSX days, and the DC ports are very solid for the cost. I own LB2 and MOTW and they are definately worth the 20 bucks each that I picked them up for but they still don't compare.

Marco-big-bro · Oct 5, 2003

Piccolo_DBz said:
I played last blade and MOTW on the DC, The MVS/AES version IMO is alot better

Motw is on DC for instance a very good game, but only if there's no way for you to get the original AES.
It's just something that can't be explained....

You just can't compare them.

MKL · Oct 5, 2003

Galford Forever said:
That's a solid argument. I've always felt that playing fighting games on my other systems paled in comparison to playing on the Neo. I've got arcade sticks for the other system, but they never "felt" right, and the sticks were always made for general purpose use, and weren't geared toward the game I was playing.

That's an exteremely weak argument, even ludicrous if that's the only reason for having a Neo. You can easily make an adapter for using the Neo controllers on any other platforms...

buster_broon · Oct 5, 2003

Marco-big-bro said:
Motw is on DC for instance a very good game, but only if there's no way for you to get the original AES.
It's just something that can't be explained....

You just can't compare them.

agreed

personally the sprites are a little bit smaller and the fighting engine has been tweaked a little so it plays slightly different

but all in all ports are very playable and just as good imo

world heroes on the snes is almost perfect and slug 3 is better in the respects it has extra stuff

Lee Gray · Oct 5, 2003

Maybe if no ports were made then more people might buy a neo geo if they want a certain game bad enough, after all if svc wasnt being ported over to new systems more people might buy the home cart and then the neo geo will live even longer

BTW gunstarhero this is another of those threads that i post that you defended me about earlier, thx

buster_broon · Oct 5, 2003

Lee Gray said:
Maybe if no ports were made then more people might buy a neo geo if they want a certain game bad enough, after all if svc wasnt being ported over to new systems more people might buy the home cart and then the neo geo will live even longer

nah i dont think so

not alot of people can justify spending a couple of hundred quid on 1 game

people would just download teh romzzz rather than spend the money

Galford Forever · Oct 5, 2003

MKL said:
That's an exteremely weak argument, even ludicrous if that's the only reason for having a Neo. You can easily make an adapter for using the Neo controllers on any other platforms...

The whole neo sticks thing was just an example. My argument (and I believe the person who orginally posted as such) was that the games don't "feel" quite the same. There's a huge difference between playing a Neo game on the DC and on the Neo. I don't need to elaborate on that, since quite a few other members already did.

But ports are a great way to play the game too. I'm not elitist, I just prefer the Neo. It's like playing SCII on the XBOX. It's not the same as playing the arcade version even though they're very similar.

Marco-big-bro · Oct 5, 2003

Lee Gray said:
Maybe if no ports were made then more people might buy a neo geo if they want a certain game bad enough, after all if svc wasnt being ported over to new systems more people might buy the home cart and then the neo geo will live even longer

I'm not sure they target the same public...

People who buy neo games on other system are most of the time non neo-geo owners....

If you have a neo, and for a long time you'll alway try to own the AES, or maybe other versions, but still having the original one.

(it's also true that Motw sprites are smaller on DC... as buster_broon was saying))

GunstarHero · Oct 5, 2003

Lee Gray said:
Maybe if no ports were made then more people might buy a neo geo if they want a certain game bad enough, after all if svc wasnt being ported over to new systems more people might buy the home cart and then the neo geo will live even longer

BTW gunstarhero this is another of those threads that i post that you defended me about earlier, thx

I don't think ports should be outlawed or anything, people should have the chance to enjoy SNK stuff at home, not just people in the know like NEO gamers

However, when it comes to Neo-Geo.com and ports, its pretty annoying to see people come here and basically say '#@!$ the NEO GEO, I'm getting the port , because its cheaper and just as good!'....well ok, so why are you here? I feel people who don't have any kind of Neo system, and just buy ports don't really help our scene at all...they are in better company at gamefaqs or IGN message boards.

Piccolo_DBz · Oct 5, 2003

Marco-big-bro said:
Motw is on DC for instance a very good game, but only if there's no way for you to get the original AES.
It's just something that can't be explained....

You just can't compare them.

Thats why I said IN MY OPINION.

I played the MVS, AES, and DC versions. I can compare.

Marco-big-bro · Oct 5, 2003

GunstarHero said:
I don't think ports should be outlawed or anything, people should have the chance to enjoy SNK stuff at home, not just people in the know like NEO gamers

However, when it comes to Neo-Geo.com and ports, its pretty annoying to see people come here and basically say '#@!$ the NEO GEO, I'm getting the port , because its cheaper and just as good!'....well ok, so why are you here? I feel people who don't have any kind of Neo system, and just buy ports don't really help our scene at all...they are in better company at gamefaqs or IGN message boards.

I agree with you 300% :buttrock:

Galford Forever · Oct 5, 2003

Piccolo_DBz said:
Thats why I said IN MY OPINION.

I played the MVS, AES, and DC versions. I can compare.

I think he was agreeing with you....

Lee Gray · Oct 5, 2003

I have only ever owned the real deal but many times i have been tempted to get these new systems when i see games like capcom vs snk 2 and streetfighter 3

But then it will just spiral into so much money being spent extra for maybe owning two games on one system before an even stronger machine comes out and its time to upgrade again

I

iamrandyray · Oct 5, 2003

twinkle star on dc is a great port, the speeds are good
saturn's version is ok for the new character, but the loading sucks

[OCEAN] · Oct 5, 2003

I think ports are a great substitute of the real thing (well, there are some that are better than others...) for people that don't own a NeoGeo, cant afford it or just cannot find one (I think it's quite hard to find a home system nowadays...and very expensive too).

But to the question that if they are better than the originals, hell no! The original thing is allways better, even though it hasn't got any extras or enhancements. It's just the way it was meant to play at the arcades, it's just the game in it's "pure state"!

I allways try to buy the home or MVS carts, but in some cases when you don't have that money to spend (this will sadly happen with SvC in my case), I guess a port is always fine (at least until you can get a second hand original one) and the extra stuff can compensate in some way the technical inferiority.

...but well, if you've got money to buy both the best thing is play the original one and enjoy the extra stuff in the port

[OCEAN]

SNKJorge · Oct 5, 2003

GunstarHero said:
I don't think ports should be outlawed or anything, people should have the chance to enjoy SNK stuff at home, not just people in the know like NEO gamers

However, when it comes to Neo-Geo.com and ports, its pretty annoying to see people come here and basically say '#@!$ the NEO GEO, I'm getting the port , because its cheaper and just as good!'....well ok, so why are you here? I feel people who don't have any kind of Neo system, and just buy ports don't really help our scene at all...they are in better company at gamefaqs or IGN message boards.

Very well said. :buttrock:

OrochiEddie · Oct 5, 2003

The ports have been getting loads better and yes just about every port to date has not had the same "greatness". Though with KOF2k1 MS3 and SVC Chaos for the PS2 this could change. The load problem is gone. I don't want to hear any crap about it, loads are gone or VERY minimal. Playmore as a whole has been doing outstanding jobs with the ports. Look for 2k1 I think it is going to be the first "superior" port.

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