Dr neo Geo sure knows how to treat a customer, look at the nice replies I get!

[Neo Maikeru]

Me: Hello. I recieved my Metal SLug 3 today. I am not very happy with it. There are scuff marks all over the backside of the cart and a few minor marks on the front. The insert has a large indention on the top left front. This is by no means "mint" as you said it was. Please refund me my $300 USD that I paid for it and whatever money it costs to ship back to you. I will leave you with my paypal address once you reply.

Dr neo: "Are you stupid! This cart was new and one time played! I know what is mint and it was when i have shipped! pls mail me pics of it!

Flo"







Yes, me and all the others that are mad about their transactions with you are stupid. Tarma included. Please take your scamming ass elsewhere, you are not needed on these forums. I will post pics of the cart shortly. You are extremely rude and need to gain a little integrity.

The email I sent about the cart being glitchy soon after I found was because I inserted it into my system wrong, I cleaned the contacts of my system and it was fine. Still the condition is in no way as described.

[Neo Maikeru]

Flo has sent me back some new emails, these once are nice and it looks like he wants to work with me, I will see what happens. Thanks for getting back to be Flo if you are reading this...

[Greatkiller]

Jeeze too much drama. This is why I think twice before selling anything here on NG. People are just tooo picky. I would say I have sold stuff that are MINT to me and some people say its not. Sometime you cant prevent scuff marks. I had a MS3 JAP 1st run and it had scuffs and everyone was low balling. I was lucky enough to find someone who thought was MINT. AH! I cant stand people that are so picky....no offense

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by Greatkiller
Jeeze too much drama. This is why I think twice before selling anything here on NG. People are just tooo picky. I would say I have sold stuff that are MINT to me and some people say its not. Sometime you cant prevent scuff marks. I had a MS3 JAP 1st run and it had scuffs and everyone was low balling. I was lucky enough to find someone who thought was MINT. AH! I cant stand people that are so picky....no offense

You shouldn't be into the AES scene then because 90% of the people are very picky like me. There is a fine line between what is mint and what is not mint.

[Greatkiller]

Im a gamer I play my stuff. I cant help AES getting old from use. I dont think 90% are picky I think its 50% people picky and 50% are people who play there stuff.

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by Greatkiller
Im a gamer I play my stuff. I cant help AES getting old from use. I dont think 90% are picky I think its 50% people picky and 50% are people who play there stuff.

I play my stuff too. If I wanted to soley game I would go MVS. Everyone who owns AES has a bit of collector in them. If you dont need mint carts then great. You have no buisness butting in on my thread though.

[Greatkiller]

Then you have no buisness putting this in the neo selling forum....

[BIG]

I think Greatkiller's got a point,to an extent,of course.

I,myself,enjoy my games. Be it MVS or AES,I played them all equally. I'm a gamer first and foremost,but I,too,have somewhat of a collector sense,also.

I take very good care of my collection,no matter how expensive/inexpensive they might be.

If you're in it for the money,then maybe this hobby isn't for you,IMHO. Sure,it's nice to have a collection of expensive titles,but who knows,the AES market might crumble sooner than most of you might think.

I enjoy playing my games,so when it does happen, I'm going to keep them,regardless of what their market price might be,but that's just me.

Mikace,you seem so overly concerned about the condition of the games and it's going rate,you are already forgetting the most important part of this hobby,enjoyment.

Give it a rest,take a break from it all and actually enjoy your games for what they're worth,you'll be a much happier person that way.

[Bar81]

Originally posted by mikace01
Me: Hello. I recieved my Metal SLug 3 today. I am not very happy with it. There are scuff marks all over the backside of the cart and a few minor marks on the front. The insert has a large indention on the top left front. This is by no means "mint" as you said it was. Please refund me my $300 USD that I paid for it and whatever money it costs to ship back to you. I will leave you with my paypal address once you reply.

Dr neo: "Are you stupid! This cart was new and one time played! I know what is mint and it was when i have shipped! pls mail me pics of it!

Flo"







Yes, me and all the others that are mad about their transactions with you are stupid. Tarma included. Please take your scamming ass elsewhere, you are not needed on these forums. I will post pics of the cart shortly. You are extremely rude and need to gain a little integrity.

The email I sent about the cart being glitchy soon after I found was because I inserted it into my system wrong, I cleaned the contacts of my system and it was fine. Still the condition is in no way as described.

There are at least two of you and unfortunately, there probably will be more when people get their games :very_ang:

[Bar81]

Originally posted by Greatkiller
Im a gamer I play my stuff. I cant help AES getting old from use. I dont think 90% are picky I think its 50% people picky and 50% are people who play there stuff.

Do us all a favor and keep your irrelevant comments to yourself.

The carts were sold as mint. If he just wanted to sell to gamers he should have indicated they were gamer's condition or near mint and there wouldn't have been a problem. The fact is that the only people who care about mint games are collectors or collectors/gamers and they are paying a premium for the condition. There were very specific questions asked by buyers regarding the games and it is now becoming apparent that this clown was not even close to truthful regarding the condition of the games.

We shall see...

[rimm_rs]

@GreatKiller

Whether Mike looks at his carts or plays them there are 2 thing to not forget:

#1. If you pay X numbe of dollars for anything and it's not as advertised you have a right to be unhappy

#2. Your form of enjoyment sounds like playng the games. Maybe Mike's is not only playing them, but also having a nice shelf to look at. And for him to get the full effect he want to have fun games that also look nice. I mean how wrong is that? Not really I'd say. ;-)

[Neo Maikeru]

Sent pics to the email, lets see what happens...

Pics can be viewed here:
http://www.boomspeed.com/mikace01/

I didnt show the insert pic because the indents do not show up. The discoloration I am talking about is to the left of the sticker, it is very strange. Some of the flaws on the cart do not show up well in the pictures, but these will have to do. Picky? Yes. That is why I payed collectors price.

[BIG BEAR]

Deals are definitely a two way street.
I don't have a problem with a seller selling games in Gamer condition as long as they sell them at Gamer's prices.
Let's not make the buyer the "bad guy" here!!
Buyer's only PAY for what they want...not what the seller thinks they should have!! this goes on all too often in everyday life and it's a horrible trend.
-BB

[das roker]

If it makes you feel any better, I agree with Mike wholeheartedly.

Dr. Neo was charging top dollar (like 10 percent plus over the price guide).

[rimm_rs]

Geez, and anyone whom has ever taken a photo os a neo cart to sell knows that flaws are hard to capture.

this thing looks excellent, MAYBE near mint- at best and i bet inperson thwe flaws jump out a lot more.

[Tarma]

I've still had no reply at all to my email... :mad:

Hope you get your MS3 sorted out.

[Loopz]

Price=quality.

If a seller states his shit is MINT, and is charging exorbitantly for such product, it better be MINT. End of story. What a buyer does with his shit, whether he's 'enjoying it' or 'being anal' is irrelevant.
This is why Shawn gets away with charging what he does at the Neo-Store...because people know that with those higher prices come strict, honest grading and top-notch service. That's why people continue to buy from him.

Mikace and Tarma, get what you're owed. This is why I'm headed for MVS land when I get rid of the last of my home Neo stuff. Too much fucking drama on every side as far as this shit is involved.
Have you people ever calculated how much time you blow between correspondence and dealing with all this shit? I did recently, and it blows my mind. The chase isn't worth it.
Maybe the ROMZZZ kids are right....;)

[smokeingit]

just saw the pics... that shit is not mint... infact if comic books had that shit on them. they would lose 75% value right off the bat for looking used.

Originally posted by mikace01
Sent pics to the email, lets see what happens...

Pics can be viewed here:
http://www.boomspeed.com/mikace01/

I didnt show the insert pic because the indents do not show up. The discoloration I am talking about is to the left of the sticker, it is very strange. Some of the flaws on the cart do not show up well in the pictures, but these will have to do. Picky? Yes. That is why I payed collectors price.

[spacecaddie]

Originally posted by smokeingit
just saw the pics... that shit is not mint... infact if comic books had that shit on them. they would lose 75% value right off the bat for looking used.

What the.....

That shit is what I would call mint.. There is a difference between mint condition and Mint like new.... Was like new stated in the description.....

Really pisses me off that people are so picky... I dont think his prices were too high... I purchased Metal Slug 2 and Thrash Rally couldnt be more happier with the quality... and price.

It came well packaged with bubble wrap and Sturdy box... This was flawless operation.... Would def deal again...

[rudekid]

he was stating in the sale that all the items were in mint condtion
i class mint as like new these carts are not and he was charging well over the odds for them i am just glad i did not buy the two i ordered

[spacecaddie]

Well my carts are fine... and the pics look fine to me...

Aslong as mine are ok

Suppose could of always asked for close up pictures before buying..

If it were me would offer a small refund or discount off another product.

[Big Al]

Originally posted by spacecaddie
Well my carts are fine... and the pics look fine to me...

Aslong as mine are ok

Suppose could of always asked for close up pictures before buying..

If it were me would offer a small refund or discount off another product.


As long as yours are ok?? There's a cracking attitude! Here's hoping next time it's you that gets shafted then and not the rest of us.

Pictures where asked for in most if not all cases but as stated earlier, flaws are hard to get to show up in pictures, light reflection and all that crap.

I'm going to take pictures of the one I'm not happy with today and mail it to rimm_rs so he can host it, it's not even close. The OUTER BOX looks horrible which lets be honest he should maybe have told me about.

[broken]

Anyone that needs picture hosting for pics of their games they received from DrNeoGeo, just send me an email with pics to broken@sgrepository.com and then send me a PM letting me know you sent them.

Please keep them at a reasonable size (i.e. no 2 meg bitmaps).

I am pretty fast to respond to PMs (typically).

[FeelGood]

Originally posted by rimm_rs
Geez, and anyone whom has ever taken a photo os a neo cart to sell knows that flaws are hard to capture.

this thing looks excellent, MAYBE near mint- at best and i bet inperson thwe flaws jump out a lot more.

we must be looking at different pics, because the MS3 Mike displayed looked like a gamers condition cart, all scuffed on the back, with a few noticeable scratches, and obvious discoloration on the logo.

But maybe you're trying to relate to us your ability to appraise carts? I hope not...

[Neo Maikeru]

I have to clear a few things up here:

1) For all of those saying "If you were gamer you wouldn't care" please do not post in this thread. Obviously I collect as well as game since I am so picky about my carts. I have a right to be picky when I pay collectors price for a game. If you are annoyed by this then post elsewhere, this thread is not a gamer/collector debate.

2) For all of those saying that I am complaining about nothing and this cart is mint, you obviously have no clue what mint is. There is a scratch which you can see in one of the discoloration pics. As for the scuffs, yes the scuffs are a common problem, but still not unavoidable. However, the discoloration to the left of the sticker is not normal at all. Also, I made a special request to DrNeoGeo to ship the game with the manual on the bottom of the cart so the logo doesn't scratch the backside of the cart up as much and when I got the game I found the manual on top of the cart. I asked him about logo scuffing and told him it was a concern, all he replied with was "It is mint" and that he never played it except to test it. I assumed it was and didn't want to bother him further since I trusted him due to all the recommendations. I have a few carts that have no scuffing on the back at all, they do exist, and I assumed this was one of them. Whether it be customs that tampered with this game or DrNeoGeo grading poorly, or factory defects, the game did not arrive to me as it was described. My Last Blade described as near mint from Neo Bomberman is in much better condition then this supposedly "mint" Metal Slug 3, I was expecting atleast that quality.

3) As for DrNeoGeo, he has started to reply to my emails and it looks like he will work with me here. I emailed him pics of the game just a little while ago and he has yet to reply. I hope things will work out and that he will refund me my money, we will see.

[Christophe]

Well...the line between mint and near mint is definitely hard to define.
EVEN NEW GAMES could have these kinds of flaws : scuffs on the back could be considered as normal (but I agree unfortunate) since they are made by the snk logo, and not especially by the user.
About the light scratches, as same, snk parts are handly manipulated and assembled which results in some other flaws such as stickers stuck unstraight, light scratches on cart front or sticker; It couldn t be helped.
As for the decoloration, are you talking about what is just on the main sticker's left, on the cart ? This is completely normal and made by the factory itself.
This copy could have been a new game. If it hadn t been switched once, it would have still been a NEW game (without the insertion marks of course) and sold at the price of a new game.
Nobody is equal when one buys a new ngh game, unfortunately... Dr neo geo seems to not have been lucky on his purchase, sorry for him.
How would have you reacted in such a case ?

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by Christophe
Well...the line between mint and near mint is definitely hard to define.
EVEN NEW GAMES could have these kinds of flaws : scuffs on the back could be considered as normal (but I agree unfortunate) since they are made by the snk logo, and not especially by the user.
About the light scratches, as same, snk parts are handly manipulated and assembled which results in some other flaws such as stickers stuck unstraight, light scratches on cart front or sticker; It couldn t be helped.
As for the decoloration, are you talking about what is just on the main sticker's left, on the cart ? This is completely normal and made by the factory itself.
This copy could have been a new game. If it hadn t been switched once, it would have still been a NEW game (without the insertion marks of course) and sold at the price of a new game.
Nobody is equal when one buys a new ngh game, unfortunately... Dr neo geo seems to not have been lucky on his purchase, sorry for him.
How would have you reacted in such a case ?

Even if some of the flaws are factory it still does not change the fact that the game is not mint as he described it. Just because he bought it new and it arrived to him flawed doesn't mean he should turn around and sell it for a collectors price and describe it as mint, it is just not honest. If I were in his situation I would no doubt refund the money and take blame for my poor grading. Sorry if you feel differently.

[MarkieMark30]

Mikace01, for what it's worth I'm with you on this one, I've looked at the pics you posted and no way is that in MINT condition. :buttrock:

[Bar81]

Originally posted by mikace01
Even if some of the flaws are factory it still does not change the fact that the game is not mint as he described it. Just because he bought it new and it arrived to him flawed doesn't mean he should turn around and sell it for a collectors price and describe it as mint, it is just not honest.

EXACTLY and that's of course assuming Dr. Clown *actually* bought it new and only played it like he said which is looking more doubtful every minute...

The bottom line is if you bought it new and got the shaft doesn't mean you can pass it on...

[rimm_rs]

@EvilWasabi:
Quote:
we must be looking at different pics, because the MS3 Mike displayed looked like a gamers condition cart, all scuffed on the back, with a few noticeable scratches, and obvious discoloration on the logo.

But maybe you're trying to relate to us your ability to appraise carts? I hope not...



My reply:
I have yet to attack FLo in any way shape or form, as I have yet to see his response, and will give hime a few days. Bear in mind, I am being cautious in what I say so I don't eat crow later.

As I said excellent or near mint- AT BEST, from the pix and as I stated in person the flaws were worse, the IMPLICATION being that my appraisal might be too generous. You're right I was not too clear.

You still could have handled that a little better (like a PM) so i could clarify what I was saying.

English is my second language, and at times it shows.

(Also I have been sold Excellent titles from Shawn that had about the same # of flaws.)

[NeoGoaT]

I dont want to get involved in any barneys but the NeoStores condition scale is pretty straightforward, I thought everyone here followed it:




MINT - insert & manual are in pristine condition. literally scratch free cart


Doesn't leave much room for confusion.

[Christophe]

Originally posted by mikace01
Even if some of the flaws are factory it still does not change the fact that the game is not mint as he described it. Just because he bought it new and it arrived to him flawed doesn't mean he should turn around and sell it for a collectors price and describe it as mint, it is just not honest. If I were in his situation I would no doubt refund the money and take blame for my poor grading. Sorry if you feel differently.

the point is for you. I would definately is the same feeling if I were you (I am one of 'the pickies' too...) If I paid a collector price and got a copy as the one you got, I would have been very unsatisfied too.
But what I meant is in a case of 2 copies of a new game, 1 is 'factory flawed'. Would you think that these copiess worth a different price then ?
You can't choose your game when you buy it new. Of course now, I am getting off topic but I tought that if some people feel already stressed when buying a new game because they fear about the game condition, well, is this all snk responsibility ? Does it worth being a collector and praising snk's wonderful games if the compagny itself is not able to provide even some perfect aesthetic products ?
I should also talk about the Japanese market (of course we are on an american site, but snk games are basically Japanese, right ?). The condition grading is not as strict as overseas. And scratches on a cart are lowing the price of not even 1/10 : meaningless. On yahoo jap, people shoot the game in its overall, not in every angles. A game is at first for playing. Whatever the price, if a game is rare, whatever its condition, it WILL be expensive and not bargained.
I don't know any Japanese people I could define as a 'collector'. They can gather tons of games, but they don't especially bother pickily about condition.
This must be just because games are quite easy to get buy and resell immediately in this country, simply.
People in stores look at me as a madman when I ask opening and checking ALL the copies of a game so that I can choose the best one. They feel harassed and I was pissed off many times for that :)
But I repeat, please do not see any offense, I DO understand your feeling (I am a picky gaijin after all, like you).
And I repeat also, I was OFF TOPIC, just wanted to present some people different points of view...

[Greatkiller]

I'm just saying this from my opinion but I think everyone has a different perspective on what "MINT" is and noone can do anything about it. If Dr. Neo geo thought it was "MINT" what can you do we are all different people. Even grading the item through the "neostores rating scale", You still get different observations. So I think if you are a collector that paid top dollars for a game because the seller thought the game was MINT thats your money and risk...........if you want to call it that.

[Snake Grunger]

From the hundreds of AES carts that I bought and looked at, the problems you are complaining about, Mikace, are merely things caused by SNK's manufacturing, rather than Florian's misleading 'mint' status.

The scuffs on the back are caused merely by the cart touching the borders of the SNK logo in the bottom of the AES snap-lock case. So even if you cart is brand new, if, during shipping, the cart moved alot inside the snaplock case, those scratches will appear, rather you like it or not.

The discoloration, as you put it, is the way the plastic is molded in the SNK factory, or whatever company they might contract to have them made. Some carts don't have it at all, some do.

I think, in this case, Florian is telling the truth, that the game was bought brand new and only played once. But I do understand your concern about the scuffs, he should have noted that detail in his description.

[rhiohki]

Ahhh....this is one of the reasons I feel there should be a standardized grading service for carts. I was actually doing a matrix in with all of the possible combinations of insert, cart, and manual conditions and have yet to be completed. What would be appropriate deductions and so forth for Mint, NM, Excellent+, etc., etc. This is not set in stone.

In any event, the problem lies in misinterpretation of the grading scale on the seller's part (I am assuming the seller really didn't know the difference between MINT and Near Mint-only what he comprehends "MINT"to be). If there wasn't a misinterpretation on the seller's behalf, and he KNEW the games were not MINT and sold them as MINT, then that is just being plain Dishonest. Especially charging a premium OVER high guide. A JP MS3 isn't that rare. So DrNeoGeo's pricing was based on his "MINT" statement.


I have to agree that cart scuffs are hard to capture, and it helps to have a good camera and at least some basic digital photography skills.

[FeelGood]

This would hold, BUT we, who have been here long enough to remember Dr.NeoGeo's rants, hold Dr.NeoGeo to a higher standard for what mint should be.



Originally posted by Greatkiller
I'm just saying this from my opinion but I think everyone has a different perspective on what "MINT" is and noone can do anything about it. If Dr. Neo geo thought it was "MINT" what can you do we are all different people. Even grading the item through the "neostores rating scale", You still get different observations. So I think if you are a collector that paid top dollars for a game because the seller thought the game was MINT thats your money and risk...........if you want to call it that.

[FeelGood]

Just because it's new, doesn't mean it's mint. If the game came non-mint, then it's simply not mint.



Originally posted by Snake Grunger
From the hundreds of AES carts that I bought and looked at, the problems you are complaining about, Mikace, are merely things caused by SNK's manufacturing, rather than Florian's misleading 'mint' status.

The scuffs on the back are caused merely by the cart touching the borders of the SNK logo in the bottom of the AES snap-lock case. So even if you cart is brand new, if, during shipping, the cart moved alot inside the snaplock case, those scratches will appear, rather you like it or not.

The discoloration, as you put it, is the way the plastic is molded in the SNK factory, or whatever company they might contract to have them made. Some carts don't have it at all, some do.

I think, in this case, Florian is telling the truth, that the game was bought brand new and only played once. But I do understand your concern about the scuffs, he should have noted that detail in his description.

[JHendrix]

The easy solution is to take pictures of everything you're selling to show people what the flaws are.

Just like I do in my selling thread (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66026).

Yes I love shameless plugs. ;)

[broken]

I hate the word "Mint" for this very reason. Depending on the person, it seems to have a different definition. Or you see stuff like Mint + or very near Mint. I mean, who the fuck are we trying to kid on this stuff.

Anytime I sell anything I all but refuse to use the word Mint. Even with pictures of what I am selling along with descriptions, its not always clear what Mint means to myself or the buyer.

If people would stop using the word Mint, and simply be more realistic in their descriptions, we would all be better off. Plus there would be less confusion or overly generated expectations.

Shit, I don't keep my games in a dust free Vacuum environment and only handle them with latex gloves.

Do you?

[Snake Grunger]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi
Just because it's new, doesn't mean it's mint. If the game came non-mint, then it's simply not mint.

Which is what I implied in my last sentence.

[Bar81]

Originally posted by broken


Shit, I don't keep my games in a dust free Vacuum environment and only handle them with latex gloves.

Do you?

Yes :p

[FeelGood]

Originally posted by Snake Grunger
Which is what I implied in my last sentence.

yeah, but it give him more credit than he deserves as he wrote this:


I sell my complete NeoGeo Collection! All Games are MINT and original! Every Game is a piclink! I will add all pics during the next 2 days!

[Magician]

I'd have to agree with mikace01. The overall condition of the cart is not mint and with that discoloration I wouldn't even say it's in excellent condition. The discoloration and scuff marks should've been noted by Dr neo Geo or the cart should've been stated as being in good possibly very good condition.

It's difficult to find Neo Geo hc games that are actually in "mint" condition these days, honestly.

And mik, $300 for MS3?! I understand that the Neo Store is out of stock, but has the value for MS3 jumped that high?

[buster_broon]

in my opinion its not mint

but everybody has there own opinion of what a mint game really is

thats why when i sell stuff i put it down as great condition and everybody thus far has been happy

For me mint is something which has been in Tarma's underground vault in 10 anti static bags (just incase 1 bursts)

Mint gets weilded around here far too much

i have (imo) a near mint collection but my stuff might be meh to others

hope everybody gets sorted out

glad i didnt get 2 games from him at the start now :phew:

[Bar81]

Originally posted by buster_broon
hope everybody gets sorted out

glad i didnt get 2 games from him at the start now : phew :

ain't that the truth...

[Tarma]

Ok, lets suppose for a moment that "mint" allows for a few hairline scratches... does the definition also cover:

Sunfade?
Large patches of whitening?
Broken cases?
Ripped carton boxes?
Stains of any kind?

When in collectors condition does it include the ABSENSE of the manual baggie?

Well?

I say, no.

[Bar81]

Originally posted by Tarma
Ok, lets suppose for a moment that "mint" allows for a few hairline scratches... does the definition also cover:

Sunfade?
Large patches of whitening?
Broken cases?
Ripped carton boxes?
Stains of any kind?

When in collectors condition does it include the ABSENSE of the manual baggie?

Well?

I say, no.

Ouch, I had no idea it was *that* bad. Sounds to me like there's gonna be a well-deserved lynching...

[Tarma]

Originally posted by Bar81
Ouch, I had no idea it was *that* bad. Sounds to me like there's gonna be a well-deserved lynching...

...and then some...

[broken]

Originally posted by Tarma
Ok, lets suppose for a moment that "mint" allows for a few hairline scratches... does the definition also cover:

Sunfade?
Large patches of whitening?
Broken cases?
Ripped carton boxes?
Stains of any kind?

When in collectors condition does it include the ABSENSE of the manual baggie?

Well?

I say, no.

hairline scratches, yes (course depends on how many)

But fuck the rest of that stuff. LOL... there is no way you can call something with a broken™ case or ripped box to be mint.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally posted by spacecaddie
What the.....

That shit is what I would call mint.. There is a difference between mint condition and Mint like new.... Was like new stated in the description.....


This is the dumbest thing I've read all day, and I've looked into that Lee Gray/KA post thread. Mint means perfect. You can buy a brand new game, and it may not even be mint.

If you're paying top dollar for something that's mint, you better believe you're going to be pissed if it's not. Mint and mint like new? Give me a break.

From now on, if someone says it's "mint" but doesn't mean "it looks brand new", I will shit in their hat. "Mint" is used WAY too much around here. A "mint but not brand new looking" isn't mint, now is it?

Spike

[Catman]

Unfortunately this happens in all the collecting genres. I mainly collect diecast Japanese robots and I have on occassion received a toy that was stated as mint to not even be near mint.

I feel for the AES collectors that have to deal with this as well.

I the diecast robot toy collecting scene it is preferred to think of mint as not being opened yet. If the toy has been opened and/or displayed the best it could be is near mint.

This should apply for the AES scene as well, especially if people are buying these for collecting purposes.

I agree a rating scale should be established for AES collectors, but who is going to enforce it?

:crying:

[Robert]

Still no answer from DrNeogeo in this hread?

[broken]

Originally posted by Catman


I the diecast robot toy collecting scene it is preferred to think of mint as not being opened yet. If the toy has been opened and/or displayed the best it could be is near mint.

But, with AES carts there is no easy way to do this. If memory serves, most of the new carts have never been sealed in anyway. Atleast not the majority.

So, short of looking for scratches and such, there is no easy way to tell if something has been opened or not. And, even if it has some hairline scratches, thats not enough to prove that it didn't come from the manufacturer that way.

[Big Al]

Ok, Broken was kind enough to host this pic for me so here is the "Super Mint" Magician Lord carton box he sold me.

Hard to see in the pics but the front of the cart is really dirty and marked but you can obviously see the box is a bit daffy ducked.

http://www.sgrepository.com/stuff/drneogeo/big_al/magician_lord.JPG

[Xander Crews]

This is unfortunate. What does Shawn think of Florian now?

[Liquid Snake]

Is Dr. NeoGeo really a "Dr. Neo Geo"?

First I thought he's a true "collector" as he's so proud of his "Minty" or "Mint like new" AES games (as he states that he'll never buy any AES game unless it's prestine new in condition).

Then his website shows his dedication toward Neo.

Now the picture Big Al shows isn't "mint" at all. What is this?

Where is Dr. NeoGeo?

[broken]

Yeah, that doesn't look all that Mint to me either. Looks rather used and in good condition.


How the hell could you call that Mint when it looks like the box was run over by a dump truck?

[Big Al]

Yeah that's what got me, not like the damage was hidden and out of site.

Plus that game came unbagged wheras the other 6 were bagged and although the others are not PERFECT mint they are some of the best carton box games I've seen.

He obviously did have some really good stuff, just he mixed some shit in with it.

I can't believe he is not reading these posts though, he must know what is going on and is just taking the money and running, reputations be damned.

I'll have to have a look into this chargeback thing like Tarma, never used that before but it sounds like the only way we can get something back.

[FTL]

Originally posted by Big Al
I'll have to have a look into this chargeback thing like Tarma, never used that before but it sounds like the only way we can get something back.

I know Florian will try to resolve the situation.

FYI:he transferred all the money from paypal account to bank account going by his words.
So charge back is totally unuseful.

[c.t.h]

Your only hope with a chargeback, is if it was credit card funded.

[rimm_rs]

@FTL:

A charge back Is useful, here's why:

#1. The buyer gets their $ back.

#2. It goes a a black mark again Florian if he chooses not to help people out and will harm his credit rating quite a bit. (Wether he cares or not is another issue)

Again, I had a GREAT transaction with him, so I am quite happy right now, but for they that are not, he owes them an explanation AND action.

i too will urge him to be a good guy (which I would lke to think he is) and think he'lldo the right thing.

[Catman]

Originally posted by broken
But, with AES carts there is no easy way to do this. If memory serves, most of the new carts have never been sealed in anyway. Atleast not the majority.

So, short of looking for scratches and such, there is no easy way to tell if something has been opened or not. And, even if it has some hairline scratches, thats not enough to prove that it didn't come from the manufacturer that way.

You mean they stopped using the sticker seal on the AES cartridges? Back when I collected AES carts (now in MVS collecting) the boxes had a Neo Geo sticker sealing the contents.

:(

[broken]

Originally posted by Catman
You mean they stopped using the sticker seal on the AES cartridges? Back when I collected AES carts (now in MVS collecting) the boxes had a Neo Geo sticker sealing the contents.

:(

I think so.

Although I am by far not a AES/NGH collector.

Anyone else want to answer this one?

[Neo Maikeru]

Even if these flaws on my Metal Slug 3 are factory, the cart is still not mint. I asked him specific questions about if there were any scuff marks on the back from the SNK logo and all he said was that it was "mint". So in a way he was saying that there were no scuff marks. The discoloration may be factory but I have plenty of carts w/o this discoloration so it should have been mentioned. Just because it is a new game doesn't mean that it should be described as mint. What if you got a new game from the factory and it had white spots on the manual, or a cut in the insert that was caused by the manufacturer? Would you still describe it as mint? No.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally posted by mikace01
Even if these flaws on my Metal Slug 3 are factory, the cart is still not mint. I asked him specific questions about if there were any scuff marks on the back from the SNK logo and all he said was that it was "mint". So in a way he was saying that there were no scuff marks. The discoloration may be factory but I have plenty of carts w/o this discoloration so it should have been mentioned. Just because it is a new game doesn't mean that it should be described as mint. What if you got a new game from the factory and it had white spots on the manual, or a cut in the insert that was caused by the manufacturer? Would you still describe it as mint? No.

Again, a game can be BRAND NEW and still not be mint. Came right from the factory, and in "very good/excellent" condition, but not mint.

I think people are afraid to say what the cond really is now a days, knowing everyone's looking for "mint". They are, beause so many poor games are out, and so more people call "excellent", "mint", in the hopes of selling. It's a downward spiral. I think people should just be honest, and for the most part here, people are.

That Magician Lord is NOT mint. It's obvious in the case, plastic, dog ear on the manual, and lack of baggie.

Spike

[Metal Fatigue]

damn and i always looked at his collection as one of the nicest, dont be fooled by the plastic baggies hiding the true colors :emb:

[Liquid Snake]

Originally posted by NeoFight
damn and i always looked at his collection as one of the nicest, dont be fooled by the plastic baggies hiding the true colors :emb:

That's exactly what I have in mind.

Look at his beautiful collection :rolleyes:

http://www.neo-geo.com/gallery/collections/flo/DSC00560.jpg

[Tarma]

The magician lord I recieved is about the same as the one Al got, perhaps a little rougher.
Photos just don't do this sort of thing justice... you've really got to see the flaws with your own eyes.

[Big Al]

That sucks. To be honest I thought you might have gotten a good Magician Lord.

Remember you thought he only had one? I thought he had maybe sold me the one he had replaced and sold you the mint one since you were in first.

Turns out he never had any mint Magician Lord to sell.

This just keeps getting worse and worse :mad:

[rimm_rs]

@Lithy:

YOu said:

"This is unfortunate. What does Shawn think of Florian now?"


I know that noone has gone after Shawn and likely no one will, but I wanted to put this up ahead of time simply becauise an ounce of prevention is worth a pund of cure.

Shawn said that Flo biught many mint titles from him, which is true. Shawn did not say that Flo had ever sold him anything, so really Shawn should not feel bad. He stated a fact, and some of Flo's gamer ARE mint (like the 3 I got), so to the best of Shawn knowledge what he said was accurate.

Again, not attacking Lithy or anyone, I just don't want this to spill over, and what Lithy said got me thinking that someone out there mighht gripe at Shawn. Any issues should be with the seller and no one else.

In fact, Flo told me that Shawn bought game from the same sale also, so I'm sure he's sweating it a bit like the rest of us.

[brentsg]

At this point it sounds unlikely, but it is entirely possible that the scuffs on the back of the cart occured in shipping to the buyer. Neo Bomber Man padded the back of home carts with a paper towel when he sent me stuff from Japan.

B

[Xander Crews]

Originally posted by rimm_rs
@Lithy:

YOu said:

"This is unfortunate. What does Shawn think of Florian now?"


I know that noone has gone after Shawn and likely no one will, but I wanted to put this up ahead of time simply becauise an ounce of prevention is worth a pund of cure.

Shawn said that Flo biught many mint titles from him, which is true. Shawn did not say that Flo had ever sold him anything, so really Shawn should not feel bad. He stated a fact, and some of Flo's gamer ARE mint (like the 3 I got), so to the best of Shawn knowledge what he said was accurate.

Again, not attacking Lithy or anyone, I just don't want this to spill over, and what Lithy said got me thinking that someone out there mighht gripe at Shawn. Any issues should be with the seller and no one else.

In fact, Flo told me that Shawn bought game from the same sale also, so I'm sure he's sweating it a bit like the rest of us.

Oh I know, thanks for not misinterpreting what I meant even though I was kind of vague. It was no attack on Shawn for him supporting him for what he thought he knew, but I believe his view of Dr. n-g may have changed now.

[kulanartkung]

"Real Condition is very importent for selling.
High Price is suitable with Great Condition.
So Picture will tell you instead million words.
Then you can decide by yourself."
First time, I want to buy from him in many game but I am not sure about condition because I can not see the picture. I wish everyone who has problem, will can find best way to solve this problem.
:)

[qube]

Originally posted by brentsg
Neo Bomber Man padded the back of home carts with a paper towel when he sent me stuff from Japan.

I do the same thing when I ship a homecart with a snap-lock case. It only takes a second to do, and it can save the buyer and the seller problems later on;)

Q-

[NGT]

saw the pics...and if those are "One Time PLayed" then he must have been blindfolded when he stuck that in his aes. I have put minty new carts in my AES and pulled them out with slight scuffs on the back, but nothing close to that.

[Neo Maikeru]

I just sold Metal Slug 3 to someone on the forums. I took a $80 loss because I was honest with the condition but oh well. Thanks for the great transaction DrNeoGeo!

Be careful when dealing with flo, he obviously has bad eyesight.

[bulletnyourass]

I was just wondering if it has occurred to anyone that for those of you who received NON MINT merchandise that he may still have the "ACTUAL" mint copy of what you bought?. I mean he's getting out of the Neo so he can hold on to a couple of peices and sell those individually through EBAY or by communicating directly with other collectors. It just seems odd that the SUPER MINT Carton Box Magician Lord is anything but MINT! I am not saying Florian is a crook. I just think that sometimes money can cause people to do some weird things.

Phillip

[metallizer]

Originally posted by Liquid Snake
Is Dr. NeoGeo really a "Dr. Neo Geo"?

First I thought he's a true "collector" as he's so proud of his "Minty" or "Mint like new" AES games (as he states that he'll never buy any AES game unless it's prestine new in condition).

Then his website shows his dedication toward Neo.

Now the picture Big Al shows isn't "mint" at all. What is this?

Where is Dr. NeoGeo?

Isn´t he the guy who supposedly played the romz to keep his carts in "mint" condition?

[c.t.h]

If you don't want scuffs on your cart, why don't you put scotch tape all around the base before insertation? :p

[smokeingit]

why doesnt dr.dolittle reply to anything in this thread? does dr.steal'em even know whats going on? someone make him aware please

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by c.t.h
If you don't want scuffs on your cart, why don't you put scotch tape all around the base before insertation? :p

You do not collect AES. You have no clue what you are talking about at all. These scuffs are not insertion marks dumbass.

[Magnaflux]

Well, its often for neo homecarts to have the scuffs on the front of the cart, however those 3 marks are not scuffs at all, in fact they are internal bracing marks. Along with those are 2 more areas prone to blemishes and that is the front slightly off center portions. If you examine the interior of a homecart, you will find bosses (in the mvs cart, you will fiind these bosses lie in the same spot at the screw holes). That said, even games I've recieved new have these marks on them, thus they are indeed in mint condition as homecarts are not terribly high quality pieces. I believe them to be modeled after the mvs carts ( would save many tooling dollars that way). This post is not to say who/what is wrong or right, just to hopefully shed some more light on those pesky "insertion marks".

[SNKJorge]

Originally posted by mikace01
You do not collect AES. You have no clue what you are talking about at all. These scuffs are not insertion marks dumbass.

And you are such a great collector :tickled: :glee:

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
And you are such a great collector :tickled: :glee:

Yea, I collect (collected) AES games and I have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about when it comes to conditions of AES carts. CTH on the other hand was making a sarcastic remark to me because I was complaining about the condition of the game I got from Florian when he doesn't know anything at all about collecting AES carts. Your sad attempt at trying to make me angry didn't work, all it did was make me laugh.

[SNKJorge]

Originally posted by mikace01
Yea, I collect (collected) AES games and I have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about when it comes to conditions of AES carts. CTH on the other hand was making a sarcastic remark to me because I was complaining about the condition of the game I got from Florian when he doesn't know anything at all about collecting AES carts. Your sad attempt at trying to make me angry didn't work, all it did was make me laugh.

I never attempted to make you mad, just stating a fact.
You don't have that much experience anyway.

[Neo Maikeru]

Ok. Only you do. :)

[SNKJorge]

Originally posted by mikace01
Ok. Only you do. :)

Not only I do. But owning 10 measly games doesn't give
you any sort of extensive experience.:glee:

[Neo Maikeru]

Your right, I'm wrong. I give up. ;) :D

[LWK]

After seeing the pictures, I think this is extremely obsessive.
That game looks fine to me.
If you cannot accept that kind of game Mikace, quit neo geo. Its becoming to much misery for you. MVS is your better move.
Cause the longer you stick around, the more you will see that.
I've gotten worse stuff from some of the best sellers, and I consider the games as they were graded. Since I can let myself enjoy things. Its never fair. I have kept my mouth shut on my opinion of some of the stuff I've received. And if I got a game like yours over these things, I would never have been unhappy.

There should be no words to describe condition.
Just thorough pictures.
Nobody submits for a ferrari before seeing pictures of the car itself. Perhaps a personal buy.
I am not being mean to you, just stating that you have impossible standards. I deal with a slight OCD problem. You show signs of this same patterns I exhibit. Except mine is so cognitive, its hard to differentiate one feeling from another.

[FeelGood]

For the record, I agree with Mikace, and any of you getting on his back about this are FUCKING IDIOTS who should just leave the boards. That includes you Jorge.

The game is in less than mint, less than near mint even, condition. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE SUCH A BIG SHOT. But the truth is Jorge, you just got into this, and you think dumping $15,000 on homecarts and CDs within a year bought you the title of expert, and an access card into the members only club. You just wanted an excuse to be arrogant and slam people. That's fucking sad.

The game is scratched, discolored, and has a rather noticeable amount of scuffs on the back.

When I bought SW2 from Christophe, the game had no discoloration, no scratches, and no scuffs. The way he packed the cart was that he wrapped the cartridge in bubble wrap, and separate from the case. This prevented any scuffing to occur. He didn't fuck around. He knew that some people look at the word mint and have high standards.

Perhaps Dr. Neo Geo was like you, Jorge, thinking "oh, this kid is not an expert. he won't mind." I hope you don't use this type of thinking to pass of sub mint carts from your expert collection as mint later on. That would be quite weak.

[kernow]

conclusion:

tooshort is an elitist twat.

[Bar81]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi
For the record, I agree with Mikace, and any of you getting on his back about this are FUCKING IDIOTS who should just leave the boards. That includes you Jorge.

The game is in less than mint, less than near mint even, condition. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE SUCH A BIG SHOT. But the truth is Jorge, you just got into this, and you think dumping $15,000 on homecarts and CDs within a year bought you the title of expert, and an access card into the members only club. You just wanted an excuse to be arrogant and slam people. That's fucking sad.

The game is scratched, discolored, and has a rather noticeable amount of scuffs on the back.

When I bought SW2 from Christophe, the game had no discoloration, no scratches, and no scuffs. The way he packed the cart was that he wrapped the cartridge in bubble wrap, and separate from the case. This prevented any scuffing to occur. He didn't fuck around. He knew that some people look at the word mint and have high standards.

Perhaps Dr. Neo Geo was like you, Jorge, thinking "oh, this kid is not an expert. he won't mind." I hope you don't use this type of thinking to pass of sub mint carts from your expert collection as mint later on. That would be quite weak.

well said.

[Neo Maikeru]

Thanks.



Originally posted by EvilWasabi
For the record, I agree with Mikace, and any of you getting on his back about this are FUCKING IDIOTS who should just leave the boards. That includes you Jorge.

The game is in less than mint, less than near mint even, condition. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE SUCH A BIG SHOT. But the truth is Jorge, you just got into this, and you think dumping $15,000 on homecarts and CDs within a year bought you the title of expert, and an access card into the members only club. You just wanted an excuse to be arrogant and slam people. That's fucking sad.

The game is scratched, discolored, and has a rather noticeable amount of scuffs on the back.

When I bought SW2 from Christophe, the game had no discoloration, no scratches, and no scuffs. The way he packed the cart was that he wrapped the cartridge in bubble wrap, and separate from the case. This prevented any scuffing to occur. He didn't fuck around. He knew that some people look at the word mint and have high standards.

Perhaps Dr. Neo Geo was like you, Jorge, thinking "oh, this kid is not an expert. he won't mind." I hope you don't use this type of thinking to pass of sub mint carts from your expert collection as mint later on. That would be quite weak.

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by Magnaflux
Well, its often for neo homecarts to have the scuffs on the front of the cart, however those 3 marks are not scuffs at all, in fact they are internal bracing marks. Along with those are 2 more areas prone to blemishes and that is the front slightly off center portions. If you examine the interior of a homecart, you will find bosses (in the mvs cart, you will fiind these bosses lie in the same spot at the screw holes). That said, even games I've recieved new have these marks on them, thus they are indeed in mint condition as homecarts are not terribly high quality pieces. I believe them to be modeled after the mvs carts ( would save many tooling dollars that way). This post is not to say who/what is wrong or right, just to hopefully shed some more light on those pesky "insertion marks".

Please, don't give me this "every cart is like that" talk. Out all my AES carts this MS3 is in the worst condition. Those other "near mint" games in my collection outshine a "mint" game, how can that be? I have seen plenty of carts without these flaws. Your right, not many carts have no scuffing on the back. That is why a truely "mint" cart is so hard to find. If you specifically ask a seller about scuffing and he lies to you and says there is none like are good friend Florian did there is no excuse. Also, if you can't follow a simple request to put the instructions under the cart during shipping so the SNK logo doesn't scratch the back of the cart up, you shouldn't be selling Neo-Geo games. Florian lied to me, simply put. People saying that this cart is mint have no clue what they are talking about.

Notice how Flo has not responded to any posts in this thread? Well he has not replied to my numerous emails either. I sent him the pics as he requested and have yet to get a reply. Why do you think this is? He doesn't want to face the music and refund me my money. Conclusion: Florian is a liar and a cheat with no integrity at all. I can't believe that most of you are siding with him and supporting him on this cart he sold me. Thank you Charlie, Bar , and the few others that support my claims, I appreciate it.

[Xander Crews]

My turn to say something I guess. While to me Mikace standards of what he wants his games to look like are extremely high, something I would have neither time, patience, or money to track down those condition games, fact is he did not get what he was told he was getting. That is effectively fraud. Especially after asking questions specifically regarding common flaws.

Hope everything is sorted out for those with games that came below what was expected.

[Magnaflux]

I didn't want to say every cart is like that, just that its often the case. In this case, your cart is NOT mint, and you should have been refunded a agreeable amount for the damage done to the game.

I just wanted to report my findings on those "insertion marks". I can't seem to find anything to cause insertion marks from my neo as there is a good clearance on the motherboard around the slot receivers.

[Christophe]

I once again understand mik's disappointment. Would not have been happy to get a MS3 like he did at the price he paid, myself
But except all this I would like just to evoke the 'sticker logo decolation' problem. I think this should not be considerated really as a flaw.
Snake Grunger told it, it depends on the printing.
And I am talking on my (poor for some people) experience and the dozens of carts I have checked till now, I am pretty sure that some games have kind of several runs. I am citing especially Gekka no Kenshi (Jap last blade), blazing star and art of fighting ryuuko no ken gaiden. I noticed some have a clearer insert AND sticker (looks to be as a set) than some others. And I am sure this is NOT due to some sunfading.
Check EVEN the picture of Gekka in the 'cart picts' section of the site : And especially the sticker logo and front insert. Look pretty clear for me... the 'clearer' version ? (I hope not being responsible of some heart attacks by telling this).
I personally don't think this 'decoloration', which is not really one (just the printing) should be considered so seriously (not like a real sunfade, which is completely different).
But it is the first time I see a MS3 with this characteristic...:(
Everybody, your opinion ? :eye:

[Loopz]

For the record, I agree with Mikace, and any of you getting on his back about this are FUCKING IDIOTS who should just leave the boards. That includes you Jorge.

The game is in less than mint, less than near mint even, condition. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE SUCH A BIG SHOT. But the truth is Jorge, you just got into this, and you think dumping $15,000 on homecarts and CDs within a year bought you the title of expert, and an access card into the members only club. You just wanted an excuse to be arrogant and slam people. That's fucking sad.

The game is scratched, discolored, and has a rather noticeable amount of scuffs on the back.

When I bought SW2 from Christophe, the game had no discoloration, no scratches, and no scuffs. The way he packed the cart was that he wrapped the cartridge in bubble wrap, and separate from the case. This prevented any scuffing to occur. He didn't fuck around. He knew that some people look at the word mint and have high standards.

Perhaps Dr. Neo Geo was like you, Jorge, thinking "oh, this kid is not an expert. he won't mind." I hope you don't use this type of thinking to pass of sub mint carts from your expert collection as mint later on. That would be quite weak.

Ownage. Jorge The CD Monkey should be shutting the fuck up now. He won't though...he'll continue to plague this community with his worthless weak-ass one-liner insults. You'd think if you're gonna dedicate your life to being an asshole, you'd at least develop some style or flair. Jorge's got neither. Faggot.

[games91999]

mikace01 is completely right about this situation. here's the deal: if you look at someone as a collector and that collector labels his item for sale as mint, you expect mint. if the buyer (mikace01) takes further steps such as asking specific questions (like he did) then there is to be no confusion at all that he is getting what he paid for. one of the replies to this forum stated price=quality and thats right. if mikeace pays top dollar, he better get top quality products. the thing that people are arguing about is collecting/playing and being "picky." if you are just buying to play, who cares about the condition other than it working. but as collectors, they pay a premium to get the same game the "gamer" can get for much much less and thats the situation. if the game was labeled near mint or mint w/ minor scratches, you get what you knew you were getting, but misleading or miscalculating condition sucks. i bought some mvs games and at first was disappointed by the condition because they were labeled new/like new and they weren't. but to me i decided hey all is mint/like new but the cart and the cart will eventually have wear so no big deal, but thats me. if mikeace isn't happy, just like my seller was willing to refund the money, thats what he should expect too.

and as far as those who buy games just to play, thats cool, but give collectors some respect. they pay more to get more.

[buster_broon]

there is no way i would have taken an 80usd hit on that slug 3

Florian owes you

anyway everybody who isnt happy just complain to paypal

his account will be suspended until the outcome

[Bar81]

I think there's one question we need to ask - considering the amount of people who got screwed, where's Florian? You would think a man wronged would be outraged and come on to defend himself instead of hiding like a...

[Tarma]

Ouch! Ownage!

That SW2 is certainly a beauty :)

*cuddles Charlie's SW2 that he got from Christophe*



Originally posted by EvilWasabi
For the record, I agree with Mikace, and any of you getting on his back about this are FUCKING IDIOTS who should just leave the boards. That includes you Jorge.

The game is in less than mint, less than near mint even, condition. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE SUCH A BIG SHOT. But the truth is Jorge, you just got into this, and you think dumping $15,000 on homecarts and CDs within a year bought you the title of expert, and an access card into the members only club. You just wanted an excuse to be arrogant and slam people. That's fucking sad.

The game is scratched, discolored, and has a rather noticeable amount of scuffs on the back.

When I bought SW2 from Christophe, the game had no discoloration, no scratches, and no scuffs. The way he packed the cart was that he wrapped the cartridge in bubble wrap, and separate from the case. This prevented any scuffing to occur. He didn't fuck around. He knew that some people look at the word mint and have high standards.

Perhaps Dr. Neo Geo was like you, Jorge, thinking "oh, this kid is not an expert. he won't mind." I hope you don't use this type of thinking to pass of sub mint carts from your expert collection as mint later on. That would be quite weak.

[Dr.NeoGeo]

Hi to all!
First of all i am not hiding, just was to tired since 3 days, because i had hard exams at university!:emb:

I have sent to all costumers who are not satisfied a mail!
I will no longer send out games before i get a 100% OK form further costumers! I will post a list of all remaining games with hig res photos to be 100% sure what you are buying! I tryed to pack all games well but maybe not well enough so may during transportation a game was damaged! Sorry for that !

Best regards

Flo

[Xander Crews]

Good deal, I hope everything gets worked out so everyone is happy.

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by Dr.NeoGeo
Hi to all!
First of all i am not hiding, just was to tired since 3 days, because i had hard exams at university!:emb:

I have sent to all costumers who are not satisfied a mail!
I will no longer send out games before i get a 100% OK form further costumers! I will post a list of all remaining games with hig res photos to be 100% sure what you are buying! I tryed to pack all games well but maybe not well enough so may during transportation a game was damaged! Sorry for that !

Best regards

Flo

In your email you tell me that these scuffs happend during shipping. I understand this, that is why I made a special request for you to send the game with the manual under the cart so it doesnt get scuffed up, you failed to do this. It is not just the scuffing, there are a few scratches on the front and back. One scratch you can clearly see right on the front of the cart in the discoloration pic that I took. I already sold the game to someone else because it is not up to my standards. I want atleast a partial refund for the game, $40 USD. I am losing $80 USD on this and I think it is fair that you atleast paypal me $40 USD back. If you don't do this I will have to complain to paypal. Please let me know.

[NeoLord]

That lousy looking MS3 cart belonged to the legendary collection of Dr. Neo-Geo? This must be some kind of joke! I have always pictured his collection as super, minty fresh with no blemishes or discoloration (let alone any surface scratching).

The backside of the cart is even worse IMHO. I would request a refund or at least a partial one since the game is not as described. This may sound anal to some of the people who post here, but you don’t pay a collector's premium for nicks, scratches, and white creases in the cart label – it JUST doesn’t happen. The cart should be FLAWLESS, especially coming from someone with a reputation like Dr. Neo-Geo.

Just my observation:

http://www.metrocast.net/~neolord/scratchanddiscoloration.jpg

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by NeoLord
That lousy looking MS3 cart belonged to the legendary collection of Dr. Neo-Geo? This must be some kind of joke! I have always pictured his collection as super, minty fresh with no blemishes or discoloration (let alone any surface scratching).

The backside of the cart is even worse IHMO. I would request a refund or at least a partial one since the game is not as described. This may sound anal to some of the people who post here, but you don’t pay a collector's premium for nicks, scratches, and white creases in the cart label – it JUST doesn’t happen. The cart should be FLAWLESS, especially coming from someone with a reputation like Dr. Neo-Geo.

Just my observation:

http://www.metrocast.net/~neolord/scratchanddiscoloration.jpg

I did request a refund, and he told me he wouldnt give me one unless I found a MS3 w/o fading, I shouldn't have to do this, it has fading and that is that. He also said that the marks on teh front and back were just from shipping...I'm sorry but you cant get a scratch on the front of your cart from shipping and I specifically asked him about the scuffing on the backside and he said it was mint and I told him to put somthing behind the cart so it doesnt scuff and he never did. I mailed him and asked him to atleast give me $40 back since I took almost a $80 loss since I had to sell the game for a measly $225 compared to the $300 I spend because I am actually a HONEST person and have INTEGRITY. He still has not replied to my $40 request but I didn't expect him to. Don't buy from him, he is a liar, and a scammer.

He also has not manners, calling a person stupid that just shelled out $300 for one of his own poorly described carts? Common now, who is the stupid one here? I have never called anyone who has bought a item from me stupid, and don't expect to. What a class act Florian is.

[NeoLord]

Originally posted by mikace01
I did request a refund, and he told me he wouldnt give me one unless I found a MS3 w/o fading, and he said that the marks were just from shipping. Im sorry but you cant get a scratch on the front of your cart from shipping and I specifically asked him about the scuffing on the backside and he said it was mint and I told him to put somthing behind the cart so it doesnt scuff and he never did. I mailed him and asked him to atleast give me $40 back since I took almost a $80 loss since I had to sell the game for a measly $225 compared to the $300 I spend because I am actually a HONEST person and have INTEGRITY. He still has not replied to my $40 request but I didn't expect him to. Don't buy from him, he is a liar, and a scammer.

So what was his excuse for the creased cart label or the scratch that appears behind the gold epilepsy sticker? I also noticed a crease on the epilepsy sticker itself -- it's as PLAIN as day for God's sake! I was really expecting more from Dr. Neo-Geo, I really was. You're an honest person, Mikace, and no one deserves to be mistreated the way you have. :oh_no:

Another Neo Legend bites the proverbial dust...

[Neo Maikeru]

Yeah, I didn't deserve it but I can't worry about it any more. Sometimes after you have been cheated you just have to say fuck it. There isn't any way I can get my money back since Florian is not a honest person and has no intergrity. Ah well, he will have to live with himself knowing how he is. Atleast I can have a clear head, knowing I did the right thing and didn't lie about the condition of the cart, even if I took a large loss or not. Life goes on.

Edit: On the flipside, something good did come out of this. It spurred me on to get a Candy cab and try the MVS route for a while.

[Neo Maikeru]

That's great that you finally sent all of your unhappy customers mail but you still are not doing anything about it. No refunds so far, not even partial refunds, and slow replies. Although, I am really happy that you will be honest with your new customers wich will be few and far between now since your true colors have been revealed.

Leaving the Neo scene as an scumbag eh? I feel pity for you.


Originally posted by Dr.NeoGeo
Hi to all!
First of all i am not hiding, just was to tired since 3 days, because i had hard exams at university!:emb:

I have sent to all costumers who are not satisfied a mail!
I will no longer send out games before i get a 100% OK form further costumers! I will post a list of all remaining games with hig res photos to be 100% sure what you are buying! I tryed to pack all games well but maybe not well enough so may during transportation a game was damaged! Sorry for that !

Best regards

Flo

[games91999]

hey, all i gotta say is much respect should be given to mikeace. he has handled the situation the way we would ALL like to have the sellers handle the problems. i know you are out of 80.00 and that sucks, seriously, but i think that your actions and mannerisms in this matter have been perfect and to dr. neogeo, you might want to learn something from mikeace. hope your next transaction with anyone is better! good luck and again dr. neogeo, thats some shitty business and moral ethics there.

[spacecaddie]

Just a quickie who purchased the Metal Slug 3 that you were sold.

What does he/she think... Worth hearing his/her opinion.

Or was that a blag. lol

[Gamefan]

Now I am not an NGH cart collector, but if I were, I would not be happy with that MS3 cartridge. It looks very faded, and in gamers condition. Mike was right to ask for a refund and Dr. Neo Geo should have just done it and that is it. Mike is still owed the $80.00 loss as it is not his fault the game came in such shitty condition.


I understand everyones condition level of home cart games varies. If the customer is requesting MINT condition and it is not, then the seller has a responsibility to refund the customer. As a collector, such as many members here are, games that are stated as mint should be without question.

Hope all works out for you Mike.


GAMEFAN

[Neo Maikeru]

Well it looks like he is going to give me $25 USD as compensation for the bad conditioned cart. Not exactly the amount I was looking for but better the nothing.

[buster_broon]

Originally posted by mikace01
Well it looks like he is going to give me $25 USD as compensation for the bad conditioned cart. Not exactly the amount I was looking for but better the nothing.

thats no good enough

sorry

if heis offering money back to you that means he accepts that he is too blame, 25usd is way too little

everybody complain to paypal and get his account suspended

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by buster_broon
thats no good enough

sorry

if heis offering money back to you that means he accepts that he is too blame, 25usd is way too little

everybody complain to paypal and get his account suspended

Thing is, if I ask for more, he most likely won't give me any money at all.

[Big Al]

And I'm still waiting for the email he said he had sent to all the customers who complained.

Not holding my breath though ...

[buster_broon]

Originally posted by mikace01
Thing is, if I ask for more, he most likely won't give me any money at all.

you know what Mikace, if i had just joined this forum i would see that you are a super guy for accepting whats going on and taking it on the chin

but he is taking you for a ride

weigh it up you get 25usd back but you are still down 55usd and you probably wont get 25usd after paypal's commission

another way to look at this is he is fucking you up the ass - plain and simple

there is enough people here for the authorities to maybe have a look into what has happened, personally i would seek advice from the internet fraud webpage

i do think that florian hasnt meant to rip anybody off, but his actions now are what count and to be honest they are shite

he owes you 80usd - you deserve that back

sooooo glad i didnt take any from him

hey at least no body has offered plane tickets for a change :buttrock:

to be honest your mistake is probably selling it on, whereas tarma or big al with chargeback the full lot because they are unhappy with some of what they received

thats not being ruthless - thats just doing what right, whenever i sell something if the seller is unhappy i will try and rectify it whatever the problem - florian is doing Jack

[neobuyer]

Dr. Neo Geo is one of the longest standing-, and most retarded- Neo collectors on this green planet we humans call Earth.

He once tried to sell his entire homecart collection on these boards for- get this... wait for it....

$40,000 USD

Yeah, you Euro-cum-wannabe-downsSyndrome-Retard- we remember you alright.

Go back to your hydrofoil or- whatever the fuck- evil contraption your riding on these days`there , Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Retard.

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by neobuyer
Dr. Neo Geo is one of the longest standin-, and most retarded- Neo collectors on this green planet we humans call Earth.

He once tried to sell his entire homecart collection on these boards for- get this... wait for it....

$40,000 USD

Yeah, you Euro-cum-wannabe-downsSyndrome-Retard- we remember you alright.

Go back to your hydrofoil or- whatever the fuck- evil contraption your riding on these days`there , Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Retard.

Hmm, that kind of reminds me of Kinneth Yu trying to sell me a MINT MS3 First run for $500.:annoyed:

[Melf]

Just a question:

If you wanted a refund, shouldn't you have waited before selling the game? It's going to be harder to convince him (or even Paypal) to refund your money if you went and sold the very game you want a refund for.

[Neo Maikeru]

Originally posted by Melf
Just a question:

If you wanted a refund, shouldn't you have waited before selling the game? It's going to be harder to convince him (or even Paypal) to refund your money if you went and sold the very game you want a refund for.

First I asked for a refund, he wouldn't give it to me. So I then sold the game and asked for atleast some money back via paypal since the game was not worth the mint price that I paid for it.

[Liquid Snake]

mikace01, did you get your partial refund from Dr. NeoGeo? :spock: