Fuck politics

Fuck politics.

Honestly.

Im reading the times this morning and just had to stop halfway threough the op/ed.

The patriot act was, for all practical purposes, given a call of acclamation in congress.

Now Kerry, along with most of the Democratic party, is saying he didnt have time to read it, and is campaigning on how horrible it is.

Fuck that!

A national crisis does not present an excuse for politicians to not do their jobs. But oh no, now we have a law that lets the government search a home without the person being there (breaking and entering, a crime) AND not present them with a warrant (violating the 5th amendment), tap lines without a warrant (tramples the whole fucking bill of rights), detain people indefinately (to hell with the 6th amendment). All this in the interest of "national security"? How about national tyranny.

And why? The democrats got lazy and didnt feel like reading the hundred plus page bill. Good call assholes.

And liberia? That shit has been going on since Ive been breathing, but people only care now that the world tells them to.

I swear to god.

Never have I been so disillusioned with America, and more importantly, with being an American.

What the fuck happened to brassbound idealism, Jack Burden style? Is it gone for good?

If so we are fucked people, just fucked.

Bush and Ashcroft have shit on the constitution and made us beleive its ok. Well it isnt and it never will be.

Howard Dean for president.

(/stream_of_conciousness)

-joseph

If the brass would have listend to Patton... they'rd have been no COLD WAR...

If the brass would have listened to Mac Aurther, we'd have dopped an A-Bomb on Korea and the Korean War wouldn't have had to happen...

If the President wouldn't have pulled the plug on Curtis Lemay, we might well have nuked the Ruskies before they launched....

POLITICS SUXS... What else is new? But the people (the masses of everyday Joes can do something about this can't they?) *Most are just to fuckin' lazy to do anything about it if it gets in the way of their daily grind/job security. So YES this nation is FUCKED! Has been FUCKED! It would seriously take something like an all out Invasion ala' "Red Dawn" or "Freedom Fighters" to ban ppl toegether to actually get back our nation, and have true pride... but that's not going to happen.

Oh well... might as well get my dick sucked and see who fired a missile into a grocery store in Isarel/Palestine, since one man grendades a motorpool, and a day later an F-16 drops a Bunker Buster bomb onto Abdul's Quicky Mart.

This is the world we live in... and these are the hands we give them!

AH FUCK IT!

MegaDrive 20XX said:

POLITICS SUXS... What else is new? But the people (the masses of everyday Joes can do something about this can't they?) *Most are just to fuckin' lazy to do anything about it if it gets in the way of their daily grind/job security.

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I want to.

But when you look at it, to get anywhere you have to be a worthless asskisser.

Im not PC. Ill never be PC. If I dont like someone they are going to hear about it. I care about everyone, but I cant lie to people. And if you cant lie you cant be a politician in todays world.

Id like to do soemthing, but who would listen to a smart ass with real ideas?

I suppose its not too far fetched, as most of the country dines from the palm of a dullard with no ideas at all.



-joseph

Just do what I'm planning on doing. Move. Move to another country. I've lost hope here much like you have. We piss on our own people, send their jobs elsewhere, don't provide medical and cheat and lie every chance people can get. Fuck this. I can't wait until next May when I can switch my location from Orlando to Madrid (wife's a Spainard). She hates it here too. Medical school in Madrid = $1530, Medical school for her in USA = $150-200k.

Problem I see with the USA any more is at one time it seemed like "Welcome to the USA. enjoy your visit." Now it's more like "We' re the USA. Don't like us, fuck you."

I've been saying that you'd be hard pressed to find a more ignorant, worthless, scary-because-he's-fucking-stupid-as-mud-but-in-charge-of-the-US president than Bush Jr., but we can now all find Megadrive 20XX.

I had to chime in because I believe there was a day years ago when I said "I bet there's some goofy asshole out there that gets his rocks off watching this dick-flick absurb anti-communist propaganda [Red Dawn] talkin' about how 'if only our leaders adopted nazi-esque hardline policies in the past everything would have turned out better...'"

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day.

AnechoicJinx said:

I've been saying that you'd be hard pressed to find a more ignorant, worthless, scary-because-he's-fucking-stupid-as-mud-but-in-charge-of-the-US president than Bush Jr., but we can now all find Megadrive 20XX.

I had to chime in because I believe there was a day years ago when I said "I bet there's some goofy asshole out there that gets his rocks off watching this dick-flick absurb anti-communist propaganda [Red Dawn] talkin' about how 'if only our leaders adopted nazi-esque hardline policies in the past everything would have turned out better...'"

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day.

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Hmm... glad I made your day man. *In all seriousness however, it's got nothing to do with being PRO Bush, or wanting quasi-naziesque policies, but rather KNOW YOUR FUCKIN' HISTORY MAN! While it's not politically correct (which I'm assuming you must be), to say this... the Cold War was the best thing that ever happend to this fucked up world or the USA for that matter. I say this as an ardent student of history (both military and non-military) and seeing that there must be a "Balance" in order for order and understanding of the freedoms a ppl should have to be in check. *Back then both sides knew their roles... they had a massive pissing contest with hundreds of allies on either side... each daring the other to NUKE the other or go for broke. Now that the USSR is no more, we've got countries smaller than military bases springing up for Shoulder launched SAM (Surface to Air Missile) spear headed Jihads, and the USA living in fear of the next terrorist, and whom a terroist might be.

While it's true that anything can be said with hindsight and sound intelligent... that's a cop out. As "Foresight" is right now, and eveything that's happening both in the USA as a nation (the pulse of the people etc.) is showing us the pattern to where we're heading. And that is the very Hard-line Nazi esque diplomacy... spear headed by "Political Correctness" no less that you were spewing about.

If things are to change (and maybe I didn't make this clear in the first post)... the people must again understand why we're free in the first place... because most don't. They take their freedoms for granted, like's it's owed to them. *Don't want to join the military... want to dodge the draft if there was one... bitch about this or that. *TOKEN CITIZENS! The ppl who should be deported no less. If every truck driver stopped shipping their respective parcels, the nation would collapse. If sanitation workers said "Fuck It"... the nation would collapse... I could go on but you get the drift don't ya? BOTTOM LINE IS THE PEOPLE ARE THE POWER, but the people want someone else to do their thinking for them, but then get pissed when things go awry... or some SWAT team is busting down the door for in a supossedly legal search that was based off of supossed information, only to get the wrong house or something. In the end it would take a RED DAWN scenario to actually band ppl together against a common cause, just so 5 years later they could go back to being the dumb, work a day, take freedom for granted, sell out, non history knowing, cock suckers they are.

MAD GRIZZLY

I say, technology is the problem.

No one read the whole thing. It was like 100 pages long, and it took them less than 30 minutes to aprove it. No one read the whole thing when the papers were fist handed out.

First of all saying that the Cold War was a good thing is plain stupid. The world today is a direct result of actions taken by our country and others during the Cold War.

Who really thinks that the Patriot Act would stand if they did start invading peoples homes with out a good reason? This bs with Kerry and other Democrats is nothing more than them trying to sell themselves to voters. They stood their with the rest of Congress when they passed that and said it was right and good.
Now after they have more than likely either had complaints from people in their district about the Patriot Act. Or ran a pole about how people feel about it they change their story about the Patriot Act to get people to jump on their bandwagon.

People need to stop just whining and impotently complaining about the world and actually try getting involved with it.

Shred said:

First of all saying that the Cold War was a good thing is plain stupid. The world today is a direct result of actions taken by our country and others during the Cold War.

Who really thinks that the Patriot Act would stand if they did start invading peoples homes with out a good reason? This bs with Kerry and other Democrats is nothing more than them trying to sell themselves to voters. They stood their with the rest of Congress when they passed that and said it was right and good.
Now after they have more than likely either had complaints from people in their district about the Patriot Act. Or ran a pole about how people feel about it they change their story about the Patriot Act to get people to jump on their bandwagon.

People need to stop just whining and impotently complaining about the world and actually try getting involved with it.

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Dude I have a great idea!

Lets go into a thread, restate all of the posters ideas then call him a whiner!

You blatantly did not read my first or second post in any deatail whatsoever.

You really ought to try and do that before you talk.

-joseph

It's not about being pro bush or being a neo nazi, but about knowing history? So if someone *knows* their history they should automatically think the cold war was a blast and that it would have been GREAT if the US used nuclear weapons against North Koreans? We draw some DRASTICALLY different conclusions about the world based on history, my friend.

I'm not PC, I just hate ultra right wing ideology and think it's weird how you just casually say appauling things. I hate the term "PC", it means absolutely nothing, and I can't believe it's still some sort of issue in people's minds. Political correctness is for fucking Oprah, leave it in the hands of suburband white mothers to argue over what terms people should use for what.

Anyway, thank you for that grossly simplified and skewed synopsis of the cold war, but I've done plenty of reading on the subject.

Let me sum up your stance, as you explained it: knowing history should lead someone to reflect on how fascist policies would have made everything better, freedom is not owed to anyone, people who don't join the military should be deported, and the only thing (in your opinion) that could band people together is a communist invasion.

Hmm.
Interesting.

Being the big history buff that you are, I'm sure you can make an easy correlation between your thinking of that of a certain german military power circa 1940...

Being the big history buff that you are, I'm sure you can make an easy correlation between your thinking of that of a certain german military power circa 1940...

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Dully noted dude, and a valid argument from that stand point. *I guess I still come off a bit too militant for my own good. All I'm saying is that while the collective majority may not like it, there are things that must be done in order for the world to work.... and everyday we've got ppl who have knowledge of something and have the ability to stop it, and do nothing with either the knowledge or their power. *Ppl in the USA complain more than most ppl in the world about everything from a microwave dinner, to why we shouldn't (the military) be in a foreign country doing mop-up detail after a War that wasn't popular by current media standards... ---a section where Up-to-the-minute coverage actually does more harm than good I might add.

If these same ppl would see that WE THE PEOPLE have the power and would actually ban together under a common cause (without invasions mind you), then things would be different. But no one does a damn thing. Like "The Populous" stated: "I'd like to do something more but..." EXACTLY. I've tried in vain over the last 13 years for the assembling of citizens who don't give a fig about "Job Secucity" but rather the future of the nation from a proactive standpoint. But you know what that kind of thinking is called now in Post 9-11 America? Possible Terrorism... what was once an allowed and seemingly benign thing like stating your opinion, or rallying ppl around something that most won't get into... they're automatically branded subversive or terrorist... the media gets a hold of it, and BOOYAHKAH! The ppl in question are guilty before proven innocent, and there hasn't even been a law broken you know?

Thus I tend to have a more militant approach to things I guess. Like knowing that if push comes to shove... the peope will FIGHT BACK. But it's a foolish dream. I have to deal with the fact (like it or not) that I live amongst low pulse, pussy assed, me, me, me minded fuckards who are indeed apart of THE FUTURE... and that's a sad fuckin' thing. Most of the REAL MEN died off already or are old now... only the fading light of "Revolutionaries" lives on and when that light is out, the world will be something akin to any number of films or books written about, dystopian and ineveitable.

FUCK THIS SHIT... I'M OUT!

MAD GRIZZLY

The Populous... said:

Dude I have a great idea!

Lets go into a thread, restate all of the posters ideas then call him a whiner!

You blatantly did not read my first or second post in any deatail whatsoever.

You really ought to try and do that before you talk.

-joseph

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I have a better idea moron follow your own fucking suggestion.

Only one part of my post was even close to being directed at you inane bullshit.

You do realize that we are coming up on an election year right. And we currently have a Republician president. So the Demacrates are going to start issueing 'press releases' to try and distance themselves from anything that the President backed. And might sway the public to their side.

And to be realistic about it unless you are actually out in your community trying to change the way things are then all you are doing is impotently whining about the world. You don't like these things hey here is an idea go out in your neighborhood talk to people and gather more that feel the same way. Then all of you send letters to your congressman show up at your local government meetings in mass and demand change.

Of course you wont do that it is a lot easier to sit here and piss and moan about the lousy state of the world today. Thanks to people like you.
GOD Bless America!

MegaDrive 20XX said:

If the brass would have listened to Mac Aurther, we'd have dopped an A-Bomb on Korea and the Korean War wouldn't have had to happen...

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MacArthur didn't just want to drop one bomb on North Korea...

He wanted to drop every bomb we had on North Korea and China...

Probably enough to cause a nuclear winter and armageddon.

You're right though, the Korean War wouldn't have happened...

Unless it was all Mad Max style.

I agree, fuck politics.

An uneducated, inexperienced body-builder/actor will soon be in control of the 4th largest economy in the world. I'm sure he'll manage to disenfranchize the poor more efficiently than Davis ever did.

BoriquaSNK said:

I agree, fuck politics.

An uneducated, inexperienced body-builder/actor will soon be in control of the 4th largest economy in the world. I'm sure he'll manage to disenfranchize the poor more efficiently than Davis ever did.

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You know, that's sort of interesting. Everybody said in the wake of the 2000 election that the Electoral College needs to be abolished. But I think that this here proves that maybe it's the popular vote that needs to be abolished. Honestly, democracy is the most divisive, bigoted, tyrannical government possible--a government of the scum, by the scum and for the scum.

I mean, seriously, not even half the eligible public votes anyway--it's not like people would miss it too much.

Furthermore, given the idea that "we get the leaders we deserve," what sort of fucked-up shit has California done to deserve this sort of situation?

I want a parliamentary democracy RIGHT NOW. Our republic is FAR from democratic. Winner-take-all elections are total bullshit. For instance, 50% of the population voted in the presidential election of 2000. Roughly 23% of those people voted for for Bush. That means 23% of our population is represented in the executive branch.

Congressional elections and gubernatorial elections are usually even worse. Parliamentary democracy is much more fair and actually resembles democracy. Many other countries have adopted this method and it's a much more just and effective system.

For those of you that are unfamiliar, the amount of representation in a branch of government (I believe in most states this applies mainly to the house and senate bodies) is directly proportional to the popular vote in a parliamentary democracy. For instance, in America, if the democratic party gets 35%, the republican party gets 45%, the liberatarians get 10%, the Greens get 5%, and the Social Democrats get 5%, that's exactly how many seats those respective parties get. That means in congress, the way the population voted would be EXACTLY represented in congress. This could easily extend to all branches of governance...although the executive office would be a little hard to do this way. But we could just abolish that branch altogether

Anyway, here's some awesome reading on alternative and usually much more viable modes of electing people to office:

http://www.sciencenews.org/20021102/bob8.asp

I agree Anechoic, unfortunately, our current government has pretty much made it impossible for us to actually change anything. The government is more concerned with maintaining the status quo. If it were up to the Republicans and most Democrats, we'd be living in the 80's forever. But hey, they have to die some day.

Maybe if we got a Parliament or Diet going we could finally throw in universal healthcare.

AnechoicJinx said:

I . For instance, 50% of the population voted in the presidential election of 2000.
http://www.sciencenews.org/20021102/bob8.asp

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it was 37%...

I really dont get that
why americans don't go to vote??

Many Americans don't vote because the outcome doesn't matter. If we vote, our votes may not even be counted if it's inconvenient. Even if we do vote, it's between the puppet on the right and the puppet on the FAR right.

Plus, our elections are held ONE day a year for only 11 hours, this is not a holiday, so those who have to work many times cannot make it to the polls. This is basically how the working class is kept from voting. Votes are gathered in a ridiculous winner takes all fashion where the "elected President" appoints people just as if not more corrupt than he is to his cabinet.

Every member of the current cabinet is a multi-millionaire, the "poorest" cabinet member, Condoleezza Rice, has an Oil Tanker named after her.

Think large population is also like immigrants that can't vote, or illegal immigrants, and people with prison records also can't vote. If you count that 1 in 5 adults have prison records, that's 20% can't vote right there.

BoriquaSNK said:

Every member of the current cabinet is a multi-millionaire, the "poorest" cabinet member, Condoleezza Rice, has an Oil Tanker named after her.

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Rich people tend to be successful - wouldn't you want to be surronded by successful people?

And yeah, alot of them have inherited their money - but it doesn't make them any less qualified.

BoriquaSNK said:

I agree, fuck politics.

An uneducated, inexperienced body-builder/actor will soon be in control of the 4th largest economy in the world. I'm sure he'll manage to disenfranchize the poor more efficiently than Davis ever did.

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hey why don't you just move to china?

c.t.h said:

Rich people tend to be successful - wouldn't you want to be surronded by successful people?

And yeah, alot of them have inherited their money - but it doesn't make them any less qualified.

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You do want successful people running the country, yes. But unfortunately, they live in a bubble where the poor don't exist. They've never experienced that kind of poverty and as such are unable to empathize with the working class. It only gets harder and harder every year, by giving them tax cuts they might get a $200 check at the end of the year...but one of their kids won't go to college for it.

The current administration has turned the US government into a giant corporation based around profit (tax cuts which in turn means cancellation of social services), acquisition (invading any country that pisses us off and then installing some ridiculous puppet), and stomping the competition (instituting the patriot act which essentially makes criticizing the president a federal offence and threatening developing nations like China with sanctions for artificially holding their currency rates, which Japan had been doing since 1948 without so much as a whine from us).

I guess what I'm saying is that having all that money doesn't make them any more qualified either, and certainly does nothing for them in terms of relating to the very public that they're pissing on.

BoriquaSNK said:

Many Americans don't vote because the outcome doesn't matter. If we vote, our votes may not even be counted if it's inconvenient. Even if we do vote, it's between the puppet on the right and the puppet on the FAR right.

Plus, our elections are held ONE day a year for only 11 hours, this is not a holiday, so those who have to work many times cannot make it to the polls. This is basically how the working class is kept from voting. Votes are gathered in a ridiculous winner takes all fashion where the "elected President" appoints people just as if not more corrupt than he is to his cabinet.

Every member of the current cabinet is a multi-millionaire, the "poorest" cabinet member, Condoleezza Rice, has an Oil Tanker named after her.

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well stated...
I knew some of this stuff before
check my yesterday's post with an interesting website


well...this one