How does everyone feel about emulation??

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I know it's kind of taboo, especially among collectors, but how do you feel about emulations? I have quite a few on my computer, NES, SNES, Genesis, Turbo Grafx, and Neo Geo (don't hate me).
I justify this because I own all these systems, maybe not all the roms I have do I own in cart form. I'd still much rather have the physical game to play in the actual console, but some titles are just too hard to find or just too expensive.
 
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You sir, are either incredibly brave or incredibly naive.

Either way - I salute you.

Good luck.
 
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I never buy boots or play emulaters myself but saying that if someone offered me a copy of ss zero for 5 dollars right now i wouldnt say no to it :)
 
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I got loads of emus and ROMs, of console and games I don't own.
I used to play them more, years ago, but now not much really...
Plus I just have one joypad on my comp, so if I have to play with someone, one of us has to use the keyboard. :rolleyes:

I spend more time on real consoles, like my NeoGeo I purchased recently. Or my NGPC.
At home, that is...

But actually... Emulators are useful at college. :D
I'm doing some computing courses... And we're in front of computers from time to time... That's where emulators come in handy to kill boredom. :D
 
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Will it ever go away?? LMAO :tickled:

Don't you know TeH Ro0oOmZz R tEh rOxX0RzZ! :multi_co:
 
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firewalls.....:D
mine are downloaded from a seperate "protected" source and burned to a cd. no physical roms on the hard drive, just the drivers for the emulators (which are 100% legal)
 
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bluedevil said:
firewalls.....:D
mine are downloaded from a seperate "protected" source and burned to a cd. no physical roms on the hard drive, just the drivers for the emulators (which are 100% legal)
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You do realize it's still not legal, wherever the ROMs are stored ?
 
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legal, illegal.......:D
it's kind of like the mp3 thing, it's always been illegal but nobody was really enforcing the laws until now. I haven't actually downloaded any roms in quite a while, I basically got all the ones I wanted, so if and when they do decide that they want to prosecute, i'll just make sure I don't download anymore. You can't prosecute someone for downloading files before it was "illegal", that's why the riaa is only and can only go after people who persisted to download mp3's after the actual structure of the law was written. the only rule on record now is that you must delete the roms within 24 hours of downloading them, technically, they can't prove you didn't if they aren't physically on your hard drive.
 
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Indeed, the 24 hours thing is pure bullshit.
Also, some companies like Nintendo consider it's illegal to have ROMs *EVEN IF YOU OWN THE ORIGINAL*...

By the way, ROMs have ALWAYS been illegal, so whenever you downloaded them doesn't make ANY difference.
 
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no, it doesn't make sense, but like i said, nobody is enforcing these laws. i figured to start a thoughtful conversation on the subject, (as i'm sure many people here have now or have had emulators) not to discuss the legality of the subject. of course i know it's illegal, i'm sorry if i hurt anybody's feelings because i'm such a "criminal". the 24 hour thing is the rule for most rom sites, not an actual law, that is why i referred to it as a rule. if anyone has even tried to download any roms lately, you will find most rom sites have been shut down, or the links don't work anymore, so really, it's a moot point.
 
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bluedevil said:
no, it doesn't make sense, but like i said, nobody is enforcing these laws. i figured to start a thoughtful conversation on the subject, (as i'm sure many people here have now or have had emulators) not to discuss the legality of the subject. of course i know it's illegal, i'm sorry if i hurt anybody's feelings because i'm such a "criminal".
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You didn't hurt anyone's feelings, most of us are "criminals" anyway. But notice, this IS NOT an emulation website. These topics that spring up now and again are really fucking annoying.
 
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Average Joe said:
You sir, are either incredibly brave or incredibly naive.

Either way - I salute you.

Good luck.
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I'm going with naive.
 
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sorry to piss anyone off, i'm still new here. i didn't know it was such a touchy subject.
 
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Like every controversial topic, there is a good and bad side to emulation (in general, or specifically, to Neo Geo).

I think the Neo Geo is a unique case b/c there are emulators out there that can duplicate the NG to a very high degree of accuracy (something you don't see for most current generation of hardware b/c it takes several generations of computational power to be able to emulate correctly). But there are still new games being made/published on this aged hardware.

Thus, what we have is almost perfect emulation of new games. This is bad for Neo Geo/SNK. This is bad for fans who want to see the continued survival of NG and its games.

OTOH, it is good for people to try out older titles like Magician Lord or whatever and get interested in the history of NG and perhaps get into the scene (we have read many stories about that on this board).

But most rabid Neogeo fans (like me) view the emulation as a bad thing b/c we know the Neo Geo is at the twilight of its stellar life and we don't want anything to accelerate its demise.
 
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i agree, like i said in the first post, i'd much rather have the physical game. i'm not trying to take anything away from the companies who are currently producing software for their hardware, and as such i only use emulators for older dead systems (the neo being the exception, yet i still am searcing for as many games for the physical system i can find).
 
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To add something new to the 1285628957638th thread about this subject, I have a question?

Can I have the rom of MSX for example if I have the PS one version or do I need to possess the AES/MVS version? The same question can be asked to a lot of neo games.
 
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Can I have the rom of MSX for example if I have the PS one version or do I need to possess the AES/MVS version?
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Nope. You can't have the Rom even if you have the Neo version. You downloaded an illegal file, its status will not change regardless of what you own.
 
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That Nintendo FAG is bullshit as well.

Roms are not 100% illegal, if it was then Capcom is violating it's on copyright by distributing roms.

Emulators themselves are legal thanks to the Sony v. bleem LLC court ruling.
 
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That Nintendo FAG is bullshit as well.

Roms are not 100% illegal, if it was then Capcom is violating it's on copyright by distributing roms.
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That's a different situation. Capcom has the right to do whatever they want with their own IPs.
 
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That's a different situation. Capcom has the right to do whatever they want with their own IPs.
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But Nintendo will have you believe all roms are illegal.

If you backup your cart yourself it is legal, just because you have the cart doesn't mean you can get the rom and it's ok.

I have thousands of roms of games that I can't play anymore because of the aging systems have been broken.

If Nintendo, Sega, ect want me to stop playing old NES and Master System roms then re-replease the hardware so I can go back to playing them on the respective system. Until then I will contiue playing the roms of said system.

As far as the Neo goes I wouldn't have mine today if not for roms so to say it does the developer no good is an understatement.

Not everyone will download a rom and then buy the game but I know quite a few who do.
 
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