Question about the Pope and Catholicism

aria

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Okay, so apparently the Pope has been in even worse health these past couple of weeks -marked by the fact that he appointed 44 new Cardinals (who make up the group the vote the new Pope). This made me think:

What if the Pope were turned into a cyborg?

Now I know its a little bizarre, but I really don't mean this to stomp on Catholicism. I'm actually curious what'd happen. The Bible and Catholic Doctrine probably don't say a whole lot about it. I'm not saying let's turn JP2 into a human computer, I'm just saying lets buttress his body with robotic parts so that he won't die (or at least not for a while -remember, he's a tough Pope, he survived being shot in an assassination attempt).

Of course, making a "Robo-Pope" does open a few interesting questions: The Pope directly inspired by the word of God, so what he says goes. Would that still apply if he had, say, a cyborg nervous system to remove the Parkinsons? If I were to be an armchair religious scholar, I would think that the Pope's inspiration goes directly to his brain. I know some people say its the "soul", but I'm fairly sure it's located in the brain too. I don't see how having a few robotic parts would affect that.

When I talk about Cyborgs, I'm not talking about making him fit insite a desktop computer. It's simply to augment his body so that the whole person keeps on living -no more, no less. Of course, since his body would rely on those part, he would be part man, part machine: All Pope.

Think that's going to far? Well, as far as I know it would be perfectly all right for the Pope fo have a pace-maker -which is a robotic part. How about an electric wheelchair? How about an electric wheelchair with a breathing aparatus? How about Steven Hawking? See: There's already a lot of early cyborg-creation going on right now. The problem most people have is that they associate it with sci-fi charaters like Robocop, the Borg, et al [Note: the Terminator was not a cyborg]. In reality, as long as your not affecting the mind of the person involved, the extra hardware is just a form of medical treatment. After all: we're trying to make him live longer.

The next question is what happens if the Pope does, basically, live forever? It seems that the Cardinals would have an easier job for a while, not needing to select a successor. Assumably, since the Pope is not dead and cannot retire, his connection with God would not cease. I wouldn't fear turning the Pope into some kind of immortal rival of God since (a) he'd still be a human, albeit an old human and (b) the Pope is probably not going to start trying to become a false idol himself. To digress into humor for one moment, I do wonder if he should then change his name to Pope John Paul the Infinite.

Still, any cyborg body that is created is still subject to failure. It's likely that the Pope would indeed pass no matter what the additional part. In that sense, nothing will really change about the Pope and his duty, other than that he'd live longer.

I say we do our best to help him keep on helping the world.
 

evil wasabi

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While I don't think the church is ready for a cyborg pope there wouldn't be anything I can think of that goes against our doctrine in doing such a thing. JPII has been the man for a while, time to let someone else take the reigns. BTW I do believe a Pope can step down, could be wrong on that.

I'm not sure what you want me to answer...I think the Pope is the man, so I wouldn't mind having him around longer, but maybe its about time for a Pope that you can understand when he gives mass and blesses you.
 

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I stopped at the cyborg part.

The pope is infallable . . .
 

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the roker said:
I stopped at the cyborg part.

The pope is in fallable . . .

[Kernow response mode]
:spock:
[/Kernow response mode]

Yes, he is infallable, what does that have to do with combining a machine to extend his life with his human mind?
 

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lithy said:
[Kernow response mode]
:spock:
[/Kernow response mode]

Yes, he is infallable, what does that have to do with combining a machine to extend his life with his human mind?

Fools, he'll never die!


ha ha ha ha ha ha *cough* ha ha ha ha ha ha
 

Rot

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Man! My personal opinion is that the pope needs to go...

BEAR with me here... I'm a Roman Catholic boy BUT I feel the present pope's views are far too strict and doesn't conform with modern day to day society...

We need a more liberal, fre thinking sort of Leader for the Roman Catholics among us...

HOWEVER... saying that a Pope with a six million dollar bionic arm has a certain amount of appeal...:D
 

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What on Earth does his infalliability have to do with being a cyborg? He's still mortal, which means that his "expiration date" is always at issue. Since the Catholics differ from say, other sects that ban traditional medicine or even blood transfusions, I'm saying there wouldn't be a logical leap to make him cyborg in order to extend his life. Since he's infalliable, it wouldn't matter, would it?


Ironically enough, these two stories appeared within a headline of each other on Yahoo News:

Adviser Says Pope John Paul II's Health 'In a Bad Way'

Nanotech Boom Expected To Force Legal Scrambling

Hmm...
 

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Maybe no one else knows what I'm talking about, but the idea of a cyber-pope/Cyber-Papacy was one of the original settings for the early 90s RPG Torg from West End Games. There's a whole backstory of sci-fi/Catholic/new Inquisition stuff in there.
 

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I would be ironic if the pope had to make a decision on cybornetic 'parts' if he would be first in line to make good use of them.
 

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Just because the augmentations would make him immortal, it wouldn't make him invincible.

Statistically, it would be impossible to live forever, even if death by natural causes/illness/aging, was completely eliminated. Instead, people would be taken out by random accidents. Car crashes, lightning bolts, hurricanes, spontaneous combustion. etc.

Acts of God, so to speak. :spock:
 

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chemical said:
Just because the augmentations would make him immortal, it wouldn't make him invincible.

Statistically, it would be impossible to live forever, even if death by natural causes/illness/aging, was completely eliminated. Instead, people would be taken out by random accidents. Car crashes, lightning bolts, hurricanes, spontaneous combustion. etc.

Acts of God, so to speak. :spock:

That concept took a while for me to figure out in LOTR, when thousands of Elves marched into battle I thought 'What do they have to worry about...they're like 800 years old' I'm just stupid and didn't realize that. Immortal doesnt equal invincible.
 

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chemical said:
Just because the augmentations would make him immortal, it wouldn't make him invincible.

Statistically, it would be impossible to live forever, even if death by natural causes/illness/aging, was completely eliminated. Instead, people would be taken out by random accidents. Car crashes, lightning bolts, hurricanes, spontaneous combustion. etc.

Acts of God, so to speak. :spock:

After a few drinks... this all makes perfect sense...:tickled:
 

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lithy said:
Infallable=never wrong not never dying.

Yes, but the very act of saying he'll die is infallable!

Listen, don't you think its absurd your trying to be serious in a debate over making the pope a cyborg?

Throw me a frickin bone.
 

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The Pope is a joke, even umong hardcore catholics.....

@The lineage is so watered down..........and being in direct contact with god, i mean WTF as if.

This is 2003, if people cant prove things to the public at large, then it isnt real, and they should fuck off into their small segrogated followings and not impose their makebelieve shit on normal people.
 

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I can see several Catholics getting up in arms about the idea of a cyborg pope.

They'll base their arguement on how it's not God's will to let the pope immortalize himself, etc.

It's an interesting concept, though I think we need to let this pope pass on. He's been in bad health for years.
 

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Well he did already get shot, then he forgave the guy that did it in person, THEN took the fucking bullet and put it in a crown.

If thats not immortal I dont know what is.

But seriously, put his brain in that robot from RoboCop. The one that goes all crazy. You know the one, where they took that dudes brain and shoved it in there, and he started killin people.

RoboPope is gonna getcha!

www.superpope.com :drool:
 

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