I have just been sucked into Virtua Fighter 4 Evo!

I have been a 2D dude all my life. Ever since I played Street Fighter 2 when I was just a lad. I never gave any 3D fighter a try since I just couldnt remember everything. So I started to bash 3D fighters and well it was stupid.

I finally broke down and decided to give 3D a chance and I went and bought myself VF4Evo from best buy. Well man this game is fucken amazing!!! The training mode is fucken excellent the best way to learn the game.

I love everything about it but it sure is hard. I will just need to practice. My favorites dude Goh I saw the type of moves he could do and that cool sense of style just fucken ownz. I also really like Brad I might get my hair and facial hair looking like that. I'l l bring a pic to my barber shop.

So from testing out every character I have settled on these guys Goh, Brad, Vanessa and Jacky. These are my top guys that I will mainly use. All the other ones are cool but will try later. Right now I'm trying to get the Hang on Goh since his Judo style is fucken awesome.

Any tips for a new VF4Ev0 player? General tips mostly? Also what happen to Taka that sumo guy? Was he just unpopuar or what? And also are all the moves in this game possible my real people?

Also post up your favorite guys and just basically have a quick chat with me.

I'd say that "sucked" has something to do with this.

no offense, but Soul CAlibur 2 is way better by my book.

The best advice is to practice, practice, practice. Also, if you want to get good at the game, try to concentrate on one character that you want to get good at, you said you like playing as Goh so try to get good with him. You'll notice that Goh doesn't have many punches and kicks because he is trained in Judo, a martial arts that involves mostly throws. Anyway, its nice to hear that you got into 3d fighters. I also hope you get into Soul Calibur 2 because its also a good game, it may not have the depth and complexity that VF4 does but is it fun, especially in VS. mode.

Oh yeah, don't listen to the cretins who spout nonsense that VF4 Evo sucks, for they are the button masher kind who bash their head on their controllers.

Tridagger X said:

no offense, but Soul CAlibur 2 is way better by my book.

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Well, your "book" sucks. Burn it.

Do you even know how deep evo is? It's mind blowing.

Spike

EDIT: as for "any tips", all I can say is : learn EVERYONE. Know everyone, and know every reversal and thow situation. I would also try to learn Akira. To be a good Akira player is to be a true badass at fighting games, in my humble opinion. He's the button masher's worst nightmare. You can't pick him up and mash. HA! Not at all. And if you are fighting against a masher.... well, it's pretty sad what a good Akira can do against them.

This game owns.

SC2 is better than VF4Evo? Not for me, not by a long shot. SC2 is like that dumb blonde you always want to bang, and when you do, you say to yourself, "What's next?"

VF4Evo is the smart, sexy brunette you always want to meet and settle down with, and have a few kids and be happy for the next 50 years.

Ahh, another convert. Come my brother, there is much to learn...

So far you've already got the right idea. PRACTICE, PRACTICE AND PRACTICE MORE.
And then once you've finished practicing, PRACTICE even more.

Spike makes a VERY good point in that you should learn everyone. You don't have to go through quest mode with everyone or anything but at the very least go through their move list. That way you'll know what your opponents are capable of. Don't try to use EVERY move. Only use a move is you KNOW that it'll help. Trying to do a move just because it "looks cool!" is a BAD idea. Each move (or at least most of them) have a specific purpose. Once you know what that purpose is and can execute the move flawlessly then you're set.
Unfortunately, one you learn all of these you'll STILL get your but kicked because you'll still have to learn about stuns,crumples, evades, etc. It's been said before but I say it again. THIS GAME IS DEEP! and to play it on the higher levels you'll need to know about Evading-throw escapes and such.

oh yeah, have fun with this game. and before I forget
PRACTICE, PRACTICE and uh, ummm PrACTiCE!!

Lastblade said:

SC2 is better than VF4Evo? Not for me, not by a long shot. SC2 is like that dumb blonde you always want to bang, and when you do, you say to yourself, "What's next?"

VF4Evo is the smart, sexy brunette you always want to meet and settle down with, and have a few kids and be happy for the next 50 years.

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I must say that I agree very much with this analogy. A+ LB.

VF4 Evo is like actually using martial arts. That's how it feels.

When you use a fighter in VF it's like your hands and fingers are doing martial arts moves- When I play Goh I am performing virtua Judo.

You have complete, intuitive control over your character- and if you pick up a VF4 Hori arcade stick you will literally be playing the most advanced, nuanced and deep 3D fighting game ever produced.

And I am a 2D fighting game fanatic- but I will say this: VF4:Evo is the best 3D fighter there is.

Right on!

Another thread giving props to this great game!

Advice? let's see...

Don't buy any strategy guides from a game shop unless the guide itself is produced by Sega.

Learn one characters movelist and learn how to defend. Holding a button to block may be new to most 2D gamers who aren't well versed in Mortal Kombat.

Learn attacks for all situations and attack mixups. Learn quick attacks, long reaching attacks, guard breaking or stagger attacks and so on.

I have one question. Why do people claim VF to be the deepest 3D fighter ever? I'm new to VF4:Evo as well, but I don't see what makes the game any deeper to the likes of Tekken 4 or Soul Calibur 2. Can someone who is familiar with the above games give me an explanation.

I'd like to throw in my two cents, saying VF4 Evo is way deeper and a great break from Soul Calibur 2. I picked up VF4 last Sunday and I havent put it down since, really the tactics and moves give this game a great achievement. VF has come a long way since 94'. I just like the fact this has the attiude of "Hey I was here first". Compared to Tekken (which gets more fame and overrated) VF4 Evo really makes you work your ass off to pull some sweet combos, the Character AI in Arcade mode shows no mercy at all. Which is something most Namco fighters wont even touch base.


Yet I'm going to say the least that Soul Calibur 2 is a great game no doubt. Yet I feel like this is a button smasher and I can see why, because when in Master Weapon Mode you are under many various situations, especially health draining rapidly. So you were forced to speed up the battles from time to time.
Coming back from a recent tournament of Soul Calibur 2 at GameStop, the majority of Soul Calibur 2 players were children/teens 16 and under. I witness a 6 year old child beat 7 grown men in the tournament using Nightmare. After watching in total awe, it dawns on me that Soul Calibur 2 is just too easy to pick up and go at it.

Now when talking about Button usage, Soul Calibur has one more button of course, but gaurd does all the work for you, from the jumping, to gaurd impact, etc.
While VF4, Gaurd is just gaurd. More down to earth sorta.
Not to slam Soul Calibur 2, but to me it's like the MVC2 of 2003, it's really a crying shame when you see some kid who plays mario games, go nuts with this with simple tapping of two buttons.

VF4 Evo to me, is an adult's game. You really had to think, put some effort, and the character AI. Reminded me alot of SNK fighters, and I still swear up and down that I bet you one former employee(s) of SNK had his hands in this Sega game. Due to the fact, I believe an artist cannot really hide his style when it shows up so much. Since each time I play it, it feels like it was SNK's work.

Also, generally I have nothing against new/old fighting games. Just some are really left unnoticed. VF4 Evo was well worth my $20

Lastblade said:

SC2 is better than VF4Evo? Not for me, not by a long shot. SC2 is like that dumb blonde you always want to bang, and when you do, you say to yourself, "What's next?"

VF4Evo is the smart, sexy brunette you always want to meet and settle down with, and have a few kids and be happy for the next 50 years.

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Wow, well put! I feel the same way. The blonde looks great and lots of people talk about her, but there are things about the brunette that you just can't beat once you know her. Sure, the blonde will still catch your eye, but just because she's easy, and hasn't the depth of the other.

Spike

BigFred said:

I have one question. Why do people claim VF to be the deepest 3D fighter ever? I'm new to VF4:Evo as well, but I don't see what makes the game any deeper to the likes of Tekken 4 or Soul Calibur 2. Can someone who is familiar with the above games give me an explanation.

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Because there are a ton of things to know and learn to be truly great. Throw escapes? No biggie... evades? No biggie. Evading throw escape guarding (while buffering multi throw escapes) against a badass player? DEEP.

No, there aren't reversals.... there's three kinds. Not just one. The are highs, lows, and mids. There's staggers and crumbles. There are different kinds of high risk/high reward moves, and some moves take 1/60 of a second to pull off. No, I'm not lying. To do Akira's knee, you must press Kick and Guard and then, within ONE frame (1/60 of a second), you must keep kick held while letting go of guard.

Good lord is this game deep. What with all the techniques to hide one's foot movement so the opponent can't read the special you're about to pull off.... Jesus, this game is too much for me, and I love fighting games.

Spike

I play this game every day at the lunch break and I always choose Goh.

Just for those who are interested

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37455&highlight=goh

Comparing VF4 Evo to Soul Calibur 2 doesn't make any sense. It's like comparing KOF to Samurai Shodown. 2 completely different kinds of games.

VF4EVO is 3D martial arts perfection.
SC2 is a fun 3D weapons based fighter, yeah it could be better, it could be deeper, but it's all there is until SC3 (not that I'm expecting it to be much different from the first 2).

Can't you just like BOTH?

Spike Spiegel said:

Because there are a ton of things to know and learn to be truly great. Throw escapes? No biggie... evades? No biggie. Evading throw escape guarding (while buffering multi throw escapes) against a badass player? DEEP.

No, there aren't reversals.... there's three kinds. Not just one. The are highs, lows, and mids. There's staggers and crumbles. There are different kinds of high risk/high reward moves, and some moves take 1/60 of a second to pull off. No, I'm not lying. To do Akira's knee, you must press Kick and Guard and then, within ONE frame (1/60 of a second), you must keep kick held while letting go of guard.

Good lord is this game deep. What with all the techniques to hide one's foot movement so the opponent can't read the special you're about to pull off.... Jesus, this game is too much for me, and I love fighting games.

Spike

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That's exactly how I feel. Sometimes its just too much, but you know what? I find myself always coming back to it and trying to practice the fuck out of it. Awesome game and WELL worth the $20 clams I had to dish out. I also find getting used to a Guard button kinda annoying but it will come with practice. So its cool.

I dont understand why you guys are talking about SC2. I mean that game is alright, I prefer hand to hand than sparklely looking moves. I'm not bashing it or anything since i played the game a lot at my friends house. But its not that great.

So yeah, VF kicks major ass!! I cant wait for the next installlment.

Spike Spiegel said:

Because there are a ton of things to know and learn to be truly great. Throw escapes? No biggie... evades? No biggie. Evading throw escape guarding (while buffering multi throw escapes) against a badass player? DEEP.

No, there aren't reversals.... there's three kinds. Not just one. The are highs, lows, and mids. There's staggers and crumbles. There are different kinds of high risk/high reward moves, and some moves take 1/60 of a second to pull off. No, I'm not lying. To do Akira's knee, you must press Kick and Guard and then, within ONE frame (1/60 of a second), you must keep kick held while letting go of guard.

Good lord is this game deep. What with all the techniques to hide one's foot movement so the opponent can't read the special you're about to pull off.... Jesus, this game is too much for me, and I love fighting games.

Spike

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Thanks for the post. I may try to get into the game more, it just doesn't draw me in like Tekken or SC2. 3 reversals? to be good at this game you would have to play as every character and know at what level certain attacks connect. Do attack buffers even work in VF?

I hate frame moves, they're in Tekken 4 as well and the easiest one to pull of was Jin's. SC2 also has the quick motion presses which annoy me.

My point was, I don't think that every person who claims VF4 to be the "deepest 3D fighter ever" has played the other 3D fighters extensively to know what they're talking about.

I could be asking you a bunch of Tekken and SC2 related questions right now to test your knowledge on those particular fighters, but instead I'll find out for myself what makes VF so deep.

Has anyone got a link to a good VF site?

Go to www.virtuafighter.com supposedly the only VF site in the U.S.

http://vfevo.com/avi.htm

Tons of vids featuring some of the best VF players in Japan.Click on the links to the left.Easy to navigate.

BigFred said:

I could be asking you a bunch of Tekken and SC2 related questions right now to test your knowledge on those particular fighters

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That's fine, I've played the hell out of them. Hey, I like Tekken and SC! But, beyond air combos, 10 hit combos, parries, deflections, and good 8-way walking, I can't say that it can compare.

They're good games, but VF4:evo..... wow.
Spike