12 year old Bride flees Wedding in Vain...

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Updated: 12:27 PM EDT
Child Bride Bolts Wedding in Vain
12-Year-Old Marries Against Her Wishes; Turning a Blind Eye in Romania
By Dina Kyriakidou, Reuters



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Ana Maria Cioaba, 12, daughter of the Romanian king of the Gypsies, joins her 15-year-old groom.

SIBIU, Romania (Sept 29) - All 12-year-old Ana Maria wanted was to stay in school and have fun with her friends.

So when the Roma gypsy princess found herself being married off to a 15-year-old boy she didn't even like, she picked up the hem of her vast 4,000-euro wedding dress and fled the church as guests sang cheerful marriage songs around her.

The groom Birita Mihai looked stunned -- but his child bride's revolt at the weekend was shortlived. Her father, Romanian Roma king Florin Cioaba, had her brought back and she was promptly married against her will.

The bride's friends rallied for Ana Maria, chanting "Down with Birita." Her father was obviously embarrassed by her revolt but unmoved by their pleas or her tears.

Later that night, according to the king's own spokeswoman Dana Chendea, the groom's family proudly showed the wedding guests a bloodied bedsheet to prove the marriage had been consummated.

"She told me it was the worst thing that ever happened to her. She felt like a huge rock fell on her," Chendea told Reuters.

For girls in Romania the legal age of sexual consent is 15, and for marriage 16. "Legally it was rape," a friend of the bride's said.

BLIND EYE

Among Romania's Roma, estimated to number between half a million and three million, child marriages are common and authorities have traditionally turned a blind eye.


"She will leave school and concentrate on her job as a wife."
-Dana Chendea, spokeswoman for Roma king Florin Cioaba

Police directed traffic outside Ana Maria's wedding and took no action to prevent it. The Romanian government would not comment on the incident.

But as the ex-communist country prepares to join the European Union as early as 2007, things may have to change.

"I would expect the senior social workers and the police to move in immediately and to remove her from harm," European MP Baroness Emma Nicholson, an activist on behalf of Romanian children, told Reuters.

"Romania, as a candidate country, is obliged to act on this immediately," the British politician said from London.

Cioaba, whose authority is being challenged by a rival king, invited hundreds of guests to a three-day wedding party for which 12 pigs were slaughtered and 4,000 bottles of wine served.

The king told reporters: "Today is a really happy day for the royal house, one of the happiest of my life... It's better for the children to marry young."

Asked if he loved Ana Maria, her 15-year-old husband replied: "I guess I do."

END TO CHILDHOOD

Ana Maria moved to the groom's house soon after the wedding in the medieval Transylvanian city of Sibiu.

"She will leave school and concentrate on her job as a wife," the king's spokeswoman Chendea told Reuters. "She will help her mother-in-law cook and clean and raise her children. It doesn't matter what she wants."

Roma minority officials defended the child marriage.

"The princess's marriage was not set up by force. She is as precious to the king as his own eyes. He wouldn't have done something against her will," said Vasile Ionescu, of the Roma Centre for public policies.

"We must keep our traditions alive in order to keep intact our identity and to survive. It's immoral and dangerous to forbid a custom and no one has the right to do that."

Ionescu said he was confident the EU would protect Roma culture and suggested Romanian legislation be amended to allow Roma children to marry according to tradition.

"Implementation of human rights for everyone is essential for full entry into the European Union," Nicholson said. "Sadly, Romania still has a number of grave weaknesses which will hinder her progress unless urgently addressed."


09/29/03 11:58 ET

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Its strange that they allow the tradition of such a small Romanian community continue, particullarly as they should be under european law.

I saw the girl on tv, she didnt look that bothered.....but having no choice i guess she has to put up & shut up.
 
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Nothing like sanctioned rape of 12 year old girls...

You know, reading that, I think the US went after the wrong country.

Matt
 

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Early marriages are common to all Romani (a.k.a. "gypsy") peoples. The number of romani/gypsy people in Spain is quite significant, and it is a known fact of life that they tend to marry early in their lifes. They simply do not live neither by the customs nor the rules of the rest of the country, and everybody accepts it. They marry when they are teenagers, drive cars without license, refuse to have an ID card, do not go to school, etc.

And nobody does anything about it. Why? because hell, they do what they fucking WANT to do. It's not like those girls are raped, or forced to marry, or anything like that. They live in an enclosed society which abides by its own rules and customs, and they are happy with them. You CANNOT, nor should want to, change them. Only them can, and they will do so if they want to. -not going to happen- So please inform yourself before you go on a self-righteous "The US should strike Romania" spree.
 

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Lovecraft0110 said:
Early marriages are common to all Romani (a.k.a. "gypsy") peoples. The number of romani/gypsy people in Spain is quite significant, and it is a known fact of life that they tend to marry early in their lifes. They simply do not live neither by the customs nor the rules of the rest of the country, and everybody accepts it. They marry when they are teenagers, drive cars without license, refuse to have an ID card, do not go to school, etc.

And nobody does anything about it. Why? because hell, they do what they fucking WANT to do. It's not like those girls are raped, or forced to marry, or anything like that. They live in an enclosed society which abides by its own rules and customs, and they are happy with them. You CANNOT, nor should want to, change them. Only them can, and they will do so if they want to. -not going to happen- So please inform yourself before you go on a self-righteous "The US should strike Romania" spree.

Well actually my comment about attacking them was in jest, however I disagree with your "it's not rape" statement in this case. I could give two shits less about spain. I'm citing THIS ARTICLE. The girl tried to run away but the king stopped her and made her go through with it. Sounds like it was all against her will to me. Oh wait. That's RAPE! Why don't you read the fucking article and "inform yourself" before responding to what I said.

Matt

PS: I hope anyone who tries to justify what happened in this article burns in hell. And just because they're gypsies or whatever other ass backwards culture doesn't mean they should get away with forcing 12 year old girls to marry.
 
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Force said:


PS: I hope anyone who tries to justify what happened in this article burns in hell. And just because they're gypsies or whatever other ass backwards culture doesn't mean they should get away with forcing 12 year old girls to marry.

Agreed.

Not to mention that the father was so ecstatic that he proudly displayed her soiled bedsheets to prove it was consummated.

I have two daughters 4 and 2 years of age.

Have you any idea what I would do to the poor misguided soul who would steal one of them at 12 years of age, marry them against their will and then consummate it?

The Son of Sam, Ted Bundy and Jack the Ripper would throw up and call me a sick man in the aftermath.

But this Gypsy is proud.

Certain people in this world should never know parenthood and I guess gypsies more the most.:oh_no:
 

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Force said:
Well actually my comment about attacking them was in jest, however I disagree with your "it's not rape" statement in this case. I could give two shits less about spain. I'm citing THIS ARTICLE. The girl tried to run away but the king stopped her and made her go through with it. Sounds like it was all against her will to me. Oh wait. That's RAPE! Why don't you read the fucking article and "inform yourself" before responding to what I said.

Matt

PS: I hope anyone who tries to justify what happened in this article burns in hell. And just because they're gypsies or whatever other ass backwards culture doesn't mean they should get away with forcing 12 year old girls to marry.

OMFG!

Was that an attempt at "owning" me? :lol:

First of all: that beloved article of yours is CRAP. It's full of the cheap sensationalist stuff you'd expect to find in the yellow press. So go read a REAL NEWSPAPER, or even better, some books, in order to back up your rantings first.

Secondly: you should be grateful about the information I delivered regarding the customs of the Gypsies, for you obviously lack even the most basic pieces of information about the subject. So again, go do your homework.

Thirdly: you don't give two shits about Spain? Fine with me, for I give two shits about you and all the masses of like-minded people.

Fourthly: you insist on your patheticly ignorant belief that there is a universal form of morality or a superior law above all humanity. Such a thing has never existed and will never exist, except in your mind. All-enclosing systems of belief like Marxism or Fascism are long dead, except in the minds of people like you, apparently.
 

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ahh I wish shito would keep his hands to himself
 

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Lovecraft0110 said:
OMFG!

Was that an attempt at "owning" me? :lol:

First of all: that beloved article of yours is CRAP. It's full of the cheap sensationalist stuff you'd expect to find in the yellow press. So go read a REAL NEWSPAPER, or even better, some books, in order to back up your rantings first.

Secondly: you should be grateful about the information I delivered regarding the customs of the Gypsies, for you obviously lack even the most basic pieces of information about the subject. So again, go do your homework.

Thirdly: you don't give two shits about Spain? Fine with me, for I give two shits about you and all the masses of like-minded people.

Fourthly: you insist on your patheticly ignorant belief that there is a universal form of morality or a superior law above all humanity. Such a thing has never existed and will never exist, except in your mind. All-enclosing systems of belief like Marxism or Fascism are long dead, except in the minds of people like you, apparently.

Yes, I'm so grateful for your ignorant retoric about how cultures should get away with raping 12 year olds. Keep in mind I don't care if a 12 year old gets married if they WANT TO, but a girl running away from the altar and then being forced to marry by this king hardly qualifies as wanting to, don't you think?

Me own you? Your rediculous justification of this act made you own yourself.

Matt
 
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