Originally posted by zer0hue The truth of the matter is: Bush will likely lose this next election because he did what he felt was right for the security of our nation. I mean... Jesus, he may have been right or he may have been wrong. Im perfectly willing to except either scenario. But doesnt it matter to anyone that for the first time in close to a decade a President did something because he had a heartfelt, moral conviction that it was right? Call we a wacko, but Id rather have a flawed commander-in-chief with his heart in the right place than some pseudo-intellectual crusader who cant make a decision without a pole or a focus group. From what Ive seen of the Democratic debate these candidates have waxed and waned on everything from the war to domestic policy so many times they remind me of those idiot boxing clowns that bounce around every time you hit them. It seems everyone on this board just jumped off the Marxist express so Im not expecting some outpouring of sentiment here... But Christ, ask yourselves just how much you can stand to hate a man just for disagreeing with you. Have you even entertained the possibility of being wrong the matter? Of course, this from the people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts and hemp necklaces to be trendy...
Never mind...
I hate these kind of debates for the simple reason that some teenage twat can attempt to "come correct" on a question like this, pose a variety of spoon-fed Fox News soundbites and think that they've made points that would be considered in a serious political conversation.
So I'll say it to start: You're a complete fucking fool of the first order.
You seem to have bought into precisely what the post-Newt era rightists like Wolfowitz, Rove and other associated dingleberries of the neocon mafia engineered from the start through a war of position within the media: the idea that Shrub has "real conviction" while all others focus on polls. This is the ideological veil behind which lurks the sorry truth - the Bush junta is the pinnacle of poll-oriented cyncism (see the absurd and opportunist 9/11 references whenever the going gets tough domestically; see the down-home rhetoric (coming from a millionaire blue-blood from Kennebunkport) whenever the pathetically weak state of US manufacturing, and consequently, shop-floor blue collar employment is in question).
Here's what's interesting about this whole shebang: you don't need to be on the left to find the entire Bush apparatus sickening - plenty on the right do too. More reason why real American nationalist forces are increasingly networking with serious left forces. It's not about hating Bush because I "disagree" with him - it's about hating Bush because his regime has fucking ruined working people worse than any American administration since Reagan. It's about hating him because he's occupying a sovereign nation and doing it with the name of the American nation and the blood of American youth, most of whom have no other opportunities under the current economy. Are you aware that these same soldiers, when injured in Iraq are responsible to pay their own food and services bills for their hospital stays when they return to the US after doing the dirty work of American imperialism? Just one of the many contradictions of your man of moral conviction.
Your man of moral conviction is a fucking scumbag destroying this country with his ruinous economic policy and his insane global adventurism. Left, right or center - it doesn't apply here. The practice of politics is a question of understanding two things: relations of production and means of production. I'm not going to further derail this into theoretical question of US political economy, but examine closely the groupings, classes, and interests represented by the folks in the Bush court, and you'll be able to make the connection quickly that there has always been a script in place and it's being followed to the letter.
You want to wave an American flag - that's fine. I've got no problem with a thinking person's nationalism: but there's a huge difference between saying that you love your corner of the earth, and saying that you're a willfully blind yes-man for the state apparatus.
Maybe if you worked a job and had bills and debts to pay, you'd understand what's happened to the economy in this country in the last three years. And check it - the classic totally misdirected hippy tropes are trotted out as a means for fat nerds to score points. Remain ignorant and provincial at your peril, cuz one day the fact that you live in a world more complex than the chip selection at the 7-11 may come home to roost.
And apologies to bokmeow for taking this idiot's bait and further derailing this thread.
