Mini review - Panasonic PT-50LC13 Widescreen LCD Projection Display (lots o' pics)

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Before anyone asks why this is in General, just scroll down to the bottom pictures in the second post and you will see why. Plus there has been a lot of talk over the last month on TV suggestions for video games.

I was recently shopping for a new TV and I stopped in a local store (Big Sandy) and browsed around a bit. I was really kind of leaning towards replacing my Toshiba 36" Flat tube Cinema Set with a newer HD version of the same size. Or maybe going with the 34" wide screen HD model. Lo' and behold I ran across the Panasonic. It was running a HD Satellite signal and it looked fantastic! I was blown away by the color and clarity of the picture. I talked one of the salesmen into letting me drag my XBox in and hooking it up. Needless to say, I bought it. :D

So, onto my mini-review (split into 2 parts due to amount of images):

The Panasonic PT-50LC13 is a 50 inch Widescreen LCD Projection Display in a large tabletop format. It is capable of HD display of 480P (progressive, non interlaced), 720p and 1080i. It can also display standard definition material such as 480i and regular tv broadcast.

Basic Specs:

Dimensions (H x W x D): 35.3'' x 55.8'' x 15.3''
Weight: 82.9 lbs (This fucker is feather weight)
Native Resolution: 1280 x 720 pixels (720p)
Typical street price: Around $2900

You can find more info HERE and HERE



This display has inputs galore.

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On the back we have a regular coaxial cable input (not pictured), 2 S-video and composite inputs, 1 s-video and composite output, 4 HD capable component inputs (wow!), 1 VGA input (labeled RGB) and 1 DVI (Digital Visual Interface). Each of these inputs have audio inputs as well. You can easily attach a computer or something like the XRGB-2 device to the VGA and have a crystal clear quality picture. You can attach a computer, newer dvd player or HD set-top box to the DVI interface for the very best quality picture.

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On the right hand side of the set we have more inputs. 1 s-video and composite and another VGA connection plus audio inputs for them all. All total this set has tons of connectivity options for now and the future.

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From the side you can see just how shallow the tv is. At only a tad over 15 inchs deep, it would be very easy to get close to the wall. Currently I have it sitting on a trunk, but I am going to be building a stand for it next week. Most likely about 16 to 20 inchs tall.

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The front of the TV has a power switch, channel and volume buttons and a little sliding door that covers up a SD slot and PC card slot. If you own a digital camera you can slide your cards into the front of the tv and display them on the screen.


Black bars, video games and burn in

Its widely thought that video games = instant burn-in for projection tvs. This is largely false. Most modern projection systems are designed to minimize burn in. Plus, its very easy to prevent burn-in by doing one very important thing when buying a new set: Turn down the Brightness and Contrast. By default almost all televisions are shipped set far too bright since thats the way they grab your attention on a bright lit showflow amongst dozens of other tvs. I would suggest picking up something like Avia: Guide to Home Theater to ensure your TV is calibrated correctly. It includes a DVD that will assist you in setting up both the picture and audio of your home theater correctly. I will be doing this shortly once I borrow it from a friend of my fathers.

Another issue that will crop up is displaying 4:3 material on this set. I has several aspect ratio adjustments so you can either stretch the picture to fill the screen or leave it in 4:3 mode. Again, if the tv is setup correctly, you shouldn't need to worry about any kind of burn-in.

The Remote and other notes

It comes with a nice backlit remote control thats capable of controlling several other devices such as Cable box, VCR, dvd player and etc.

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Each of the inputs on the TV can be setup differently. That way you can optimize each input for whatever is plugged into it.

When your power the set on for the first time you will notice something right away: it makes a purring sound. This is due to the fact that it has a cooling fan in it that runs when the set is powered on. Make sure that the vents in the back of the set are kept clear of anything that might block them. You might also notice over time that the set puts out a good amount of heat. This is most likely due to the lamp in it. The lamp is rated for a maximum of 10,000 hours. When the lamp is starting to go out, a message will pop up on the screen letting you know that its time to change it. The current replacement cost for the lamp is about $300. I would highly suggest checking on any option for extended warranty as repairs of any kind would be very expensive. Plus many stores may cover the cost of the lamp during that warranty period (will have to check this depending on where you buy it from). Panasonic provides a one year warranty on the set that covers both parts and labor.

-Goto Part 2-
 

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Part 2

Game time!

Many of todays game system support progressive scan output via component connections and some of the games even support higher HD resolutions and widescreen.

Keep in mind that I am not a skilled photographer, so my pictures might leave a bit to be desired. Plus the Gamecube was hooked up via S-video, as I don't yet have the component video cable for it yet. The XBox is attached via Component cables from the HD pack.

First up, F-Zero GX on the Gamecube (via s-video) and setup for widescreen since it supports it:

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Next we have Soul Calibur 2 on the XBox via component. SC2 supports widescreen on the Xbox but only in 480p mode. If you play it in 720p it can only display it in 4:3 mode. 480p widesceen looks great, but 720p flat out look awesome (since 720p is the native res of the set).

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The clarity that this set can produce on 720p material is breathtaking. None of these pictures can do justice to the way it looks in real life.

Next up, some Neo Geo action. This is from my 2 slot MVS console via the JROK RGB to S-video encoder:

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The Neo pictures look a little red as I forgot to change the settings for the s-video on the side of the set (which is the one the console is plugged into). Overall it didn't look bad, but didn't do it any favors either.

Conclusion and my thoughts

You will notice I didn't include any shots of DVD's playing on the set. Why? Well, one reason is cause I am lazy. Also I figure you can see that at the store on your own. Video games is a different matter. I could have went into more details about the LCD tech the set is based off of, but I figure you can research that on your own. I haven't yet hooked a PC to it, but I will sometime soon. I will update this review when I do.

Pros
Kick ass picture on current video game systems

Supports 720p (many sets don't)

Lots of ways to change the aspect ratio for 4:3 material

Shit loads of inputs

Cons
Generates a good amount of heat when its running. Depending on room size, this might not be an issue.

Not silent.

Could stand to have another DVI input (but really I am nitpicking here).

Doesn't do any favors for low res stuff. If all you play is 16 bit consoles (cause you are all hardcore and stuff) I would NOT suggest this tv.




I hope anyone in the market for a bigscreen might be able to get some use out of this mini review. The Panasonic PT-50LC13 is a great set providing you can supply it with decent quality input. I will try to update this thread as I take more pictures. If anyone want to send me a Naomi or Atomiswave to test on this set via VGA, just shoot me a PM.

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ENVY!!!!

Killer set, man! You know full well of how bad my TVs are, consider yourself lucky.
 

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NEOFREAK9189 said:
does the rgb japanese or ero work for the u.s.a rgb

No, its VGA...not 15khz RGB. So it wouldn't be compatible with Scart or JP RGB without first going through something like the X-RGB 2 device to upconvert the RGB signals to VGA.
 

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and DVI (Digital Visual Interface Adapter does work for pc and dreamcast
also in japan they sale DVI (Digital Visual Interface for nintendo game cube
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NEOFREAK9189 said:
and DVI (Digital Visual Interface Adapter does work for pc and dreamcast
also in japan they sale DVI (Digital Visual Interface for nintendo game cube
:glee:

Yes, the DVI is listed in the manual as working for PC's that have a DVI interface on their video cards. I don't know about the Dreamcast though.
 

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I test the Digital Visual Interface Adapter in for my PC out and does work my old monitor I think does work for the dreamcast cool
 

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Did you happen to see the Samsung DLP sets while shopping for this one? I just bought the HLN567W and am waiting for it to arrive.

By the way, I don't think you need to worry about burn-in at all since this is a rear-projection LCD display. My Samsung is also imune from burn-in, although it uses a different technology.
 

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Wan-Fu said:
Did you happen to see the Samsung DLP sets while shopping for this one? I just bought the HLN567W and am waiting for it to arrive.

Nope, I haven't. I was actually thinking of looking at one, but just never got around to it. Plus the place I bought mine from doesn't carry Samsung products.



By the way, I don't think you need to worry about burn-in at all since this is a rear-projection LCD display. My Samsung is also imune from burn-in, although it uses a different technology.


Yeah, the manual mentions that if you see ghost images that appear on the screen to power if off for a bit and back on and it should be fine.
 

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Thank you so much broken for writing this review up here, it definately makes me want the TV more. I went and checked it out at BestBuy and Circuit shity yesterday afternoon and I was just blown away. Even though I am poor, I still must own this TV. Me and my priorities:shame:

One thing I thought I was noticing was "digital artifacting" is what my friend described to me as. I think it may have just been the feed to the store, but i was curious if this was a problem.

Also, anything you could suggest for someone on a tighter budget that wants the same quality? I was unable to check out the 40" or the 45", do you know how they compare?



....also as you sure know, I am wicked jealous :glee:
 

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Wan-Fu said:
Did you happen to see the Samsung DLP sets while shopping for this one? I just bought the HLN567W and am waiting for it to arrive.

By the way, I don't think you need to worry about burn-in at all since this is a rear-projection LCD display. My Samsung is also imune from burn-in, although it uses a different technology.

The Samsung DLP sets are incredible! I've had an HLM437W since last December, and I've never been more pleased with a new TV. :)

I upgraded from a 40" LCD set, and the DLP produces much darker blacks, and the 'screen door' effect LCDs have is almost completely absent (DLP mirrors have less space between pixels than LCD).

Make sure you pick up a Samsung DVD-HD931 720p/1080i DVD player, for DVI goodness. :)
 

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Yes, this TV has a shitload of input connectors, but is missing the most important one...

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I wonder how neo games would look if you took advantage of the RGB inputs...

I need a new tv that makes my games look, and looks good with DVDs and my dreamcast games.

Right nwo, my tv is great for the DC, gamecube, and dvds. clear as day picture, but on neo games, it all goes to crap.
 

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EvilWasabi said:
I wonder how neo games would look if you took advantage of the RGB inputs...

I need a new tv that makes my games look, and looks good with DVDs and my dreamcast games.

Right nwo, my tv is great for the DC, gamecube, and dvds. clear as day picture, but on neo games, it all goes to crap.

Well, my MVS set-up and all my consoles/DVDs look gorgeous in my TV through the RGB SCART. Really a big advantage of living in Europe. If you want to see it by yourself, don't hesitate to pay a visit!

My TV only has RF. composite and SCART, and it really doesn't need anything else (well, VGA would be handy too, but it is a simple 21'' Sony TV).
 

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Bishamon said:

I upgraded from a 40" LCD set, and the DLP produces much darker blacks, and the 'screen door' effect LCDs have is almost completely absent (DLP mirrors have less space between pixels than LCD).

I have noticed that the Panny doesn't produce really good deep blacks. Then again most LCDs don't.

Once I get it calibrated I expect that problem to be greatly reduced. For me, I can live without extreme blacks to gain all the inputs and flexibilty that this tv gives me.


Make sure you pick up a Samsung DVD-HD931 720p/1080i DVD player, for DVI goodness. :)

I have been interested in seeing the results from this player since it can upscan 480p material to 720p and 1080i. Might have to pick one up and see if its all that.


I have noticed that my Panny doesn't favor low res stuff at all. Including crap DirecTV broadcasts. I have been reading at AVSForum that many DLP owners are saying the same for their sets. DVD or better video and it looks stellar. Anything much below that and it looks kinda poor.

Is your experience similiar?
 

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If I went to Europe, the last thing on my mind would be inspecting the joys of scart.

I'd be in San Tropez.
 

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broken said:
I have been interested in seeing the results from this player since it can upscan 480p material to 720p and 1080i. Might have to pick one up and see if its all that.

It's definately worth it. The difference is subtle, but immediately noticable.

I have noticed that my Panny doesn't favor low res stuff at all. Including crap DirecTV broadcasts. I have been reading at AVSForum that many DLP owners are saying the same for their sets. DVD or better video and it looks stellar. Anything much below that and it looks kinda poor.

Is your experience similiar?

To a certain extent. I find that sometimes, if SD cable is coming through clearly, it can look really good. Most of the time, however, SD broadcasts look pretty shitty. Bear in mind that this is due to the size and clarity of the display. CRT sets (and even plasma displays -- really anything using phosphors) have a 'fuzziness' that tends to hide some of the artifacts that are present in lower quality images.
 

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what HDTV you people recommend me for best picture I wanted to buy only 30 inch hdtv for Christmas
 

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Hey Broken, you say the real MVS games don't look good in your TV, but what about TEH rOMZ through Kawa-X in the Xbox? Do they look better, equal, worse?
 

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Amano Jacu said:
Hey Broken, you say the real MVS games don't look good in your TV, but what about TEH rOMZ through Kawa-X in the Xbox? Do they look better, equal, worse?

lol...teh rOmZZ...I wouldn't know what you are talking about.:D


serious though, I haven't checked it out yet. I might do that tonight...if so, I can post pictures of it. :D :D


Is the U64 (KI) emu out for the XBox yet? I been kinda behind on the XBox emu scene.
 
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