Neo Geo Freaks • NGF questions...

Kpj

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I am somewhat of a new member. I found the forums in August/September of 2001. I slowly became aware of the Neo Geo Freaks and to this day, don't understand why they do the things they do. This message is in no way knocking them or complementing them, just to clear up my misunderstandings that I or others may have. Here are my questions:

- Why are they hated so much?

- Why, oh why, do they DESTROY neo games with stamps, stickers, etc...?

- Are they poor sellers/buyers? (dirty, corrupt, evil, etc...)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are 2 of you right? (Chris & Dion) Just a question, why do you stamp the shit to high heaven? You guys have to know that NO one in their right mind wants to buy these carts off of you if you put graphitti all over them. I have NEVER dealt with you before and probably won't due to your business practices.

I have MAJOR problems with conversions, !Arcade! seems to do the same thing BUT he doesn't get any flak for it....Why is this so? I can understand conversions of MVS games that NEVER came out to the AES such as PI2, SDB, etc...(since buyers won't be able to mix them up) but I am totally against converstions of MVS games that DID come out for the home system, such as MS1, Ninja Masters, etc... How do people get away with doing this, especially you two?

I have read thru Shawn's black book and you guys are at the TOP of his list. Why would you even show your face here in the forums or even on this site? I know these seem like stupid questions, but one just has to ask due to the circumstances.

There seems to be an INFINITE amount of rage when your company is mentioned. You guys have a great repore!

Any informaton would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Kenny Boy

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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<STRONG>- Why are they hated so much?

- Why, oh why, do they DESTROY neo games with stamps, stickers, etc...?
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You answered your own question with your second question. Also, look at Shawns black book and realize that they do the same kind of crap to almost everyone. They suck. They are leeches.

About !Arcade! conversions: They are usually for MVS only releases. Also, they are high quality and ship when they tell you for the price they tell you. As for the AES releses that are converted: ever try to get a Metal Slug AES? Just a bit out of m,ost peoples price range.

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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:

- Why are they hated so much?

Because they lie and steal and speak to their
customers in a disrespectful manner.
and when you order from them the package always disappear, but its always the postal services fault..

- Why, oh why, do they DESTROY neo games with stamps, stickers, etc...?

Because they know their time is up
soon to be remembered as simple thieves
not official distributers as they claim.

- Are they poor sellers/buyers? (dirty, corrupt, evil, etc...)

Yes all you stated.. dont buy from them..
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Kpj

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I don't EVER plan on buying anything from them, I know that much.

Concerning the price of Slug 1, I know it would be a lot cheaper to go with a converted one, but now you have 2 versions out which people will mix up, scam, etc...

I would rather pay $1000+ for the original & NOT have to worry about fake shit than pay $299 for the fake shit!

Do you see what I mean?

I don't want to start a fight or flame wars but there are 2 ways in each situation....you either go all out....or not at all! Why bother doing something half ass or half way? I am an extremist. Thats my feeling anyway.

Kpj

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BRANDI

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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<STRONG>Concerning the price of Slug 1, I know it would be a lot cheaper to go with a converted one, but now you have 2 versions out which people will mix up, scam, etc...

I would rather pay $1000+ for the original & NOT have to worry about fake shit than pay $299 for the fake shit!

Do you see what I mean?</STRONG>
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I see what you mean... perfectely... 100% agreed! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 
Kpj

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Amen, Brandi.... You're on the same wavelength.

Case in point;

If you were a sports car driver and wanted one of the finest Porsches, would you want to go to a dealer and "weed" out the fake Porsches?

"Um, sir, is this an offical Porsche or some fake Porsche that looks like a Porsche but is not made by Porsche?"

You would have to find an HONEST salesman (which would probably be hard)!

I do not like this converting crap! Like I said earlier, if it's a game that NEVER has or NEVER will come out to the AES, fine! Do it. But when it comes to carts that HAVE been released, it's DESTROYING the business.

If I just spent $800+ on a US version of Ninja Masters & a converted cart comes along, I am gonna be pissed..... A) Now my HUGE purchased was wasted....B) the overall value will come down since there are more copies of the game out now (normally - Supply & Demand)......C) your gonna get cock-sucking scammers that want to make a quick buck by advertising an original when it's actually "freaked"!

Bullshit I tell ya -

Kpj

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BRANDI

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I'm totally with you...
We had a thread about carts' reproduction/conversion a couples of months ago... we (me and other collectors) said exactly the same things...
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to answer your question !arcade! does not get as much flak because he does not try to claim his conversions are official releases. NGF used to do this in the past but not as much anymore. However the do like to Misrepresent what they are selling like the kof 2000 english and recently this zupapa release. The Zupapa release is a play on words. They never say it is a conversion and lead you to believe it is a official release but then they never say it is a official release as well. So they have gotten better in there deceptions over the years.

now on your views with converted carts. I Personally never had a problem with conversions, even NGF conversions they admited to. Just thier business pratices.
 
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One of my favorite instances was the Adol ShockTroopers event, where Dion said that Adol's ShockTroopers was never sent back, and then after almost a year it magically popped up (as he was moving)

And then there was the Scott Wozniak Metal Slug X, where Scott recieved a MSX with a "corrected" insert. Dion claimed he was doing Scott a favor. Scott thought otherwise.

So basically,

you're treated like a liar (to cover their own lies)
you won't get what you want (unless you like to get freaky)
 
Kpj

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I like to get freaky....... but not with them or in that way!
 
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Kenny, while I mostly agree with you about conversions, I will say that I feel there is no problem having Metal Slug converted to home cart. I had one done by Jeff Kurtz, and it comes with a very cool homebrew insert and homebrew manual, both of which are completely different from the original Metal Slug cart. There is no mistaking the homebrew MS1 cart from the original. Also, MS1 MVS carts are very plentiful, as are the sac carts for it (common, unprotected older carts unlike the newer games which require protected sac carts). So for MS1 its no problem, but otherwise I agree that conversions are mostly fine just for games that never came out in on the home cart system.
 
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I would DEFINITELY get freaky with Neo Whore! Wow, she is one hot girl....

Kpj
 
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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<STRONG>Concerning the price of Slug 1, I know it would be a lot cheaper to go with a converted one, but now you have 2 versions out which people will mix up, scam, etc...
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The !Arcade! conversion looks nothing like the original. It's like any other hobby: if you want to get into it, educate yourself. Know what are actualls and what are conversions. My Uncle is really into trains (old Lionell trains), and he says he has the same problems with them.
 
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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<STRONG>If I just spent $800+ on a US version of Ninja Masters & a converted cart comes along, I am gonna be pissed..... A) Now my HUGE purchased was wasted....B) the overall value will come down since there are more copies of the game out now (normally - Supply & Demand)......</STRONG>
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As per my last post where I referenced my Uncle:
He says that the scams actually help maintain or raise price for actualls. When people see al the scams/conversions going around, it makes people think that actualls are more rare.
 
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Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<STRONG>Kenny, while I mostly agree with you about conversions, I will say that I feel there is no problem having Metal Slug converted to home cart. I had one done by Jeff Kurtz, and it comes with a very cool homebrew insert and homebrew manual, both of which are completely different from the original Metal Slug cart. There is no mistaking the homebrew MS1 cart from the original. Also, MS1 MVS carts are very plentiful, as are the sac carts for it (common, unprotected older carts unlike the newer games which require protected sac carts). So for MS1 its no problem, but otherwise I agree that conversions are mostly fine just for games that never came out in on the home cart system.</STRONG>
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What is an "sac" cart? is it a loose cart with no box/insert/manual ?
 
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"Sac" is short for "sacrifice". A sac cart is nothing more than another Neo Geo home cartridge, that will be "sacrificed" in order to make the final converted home cart. So for example, I would purchase Metal Slug MVS cart (around $50 these days), and an appropriate "sac" cart (such as Fatal Fury 3 home cart). The FF3 would be taken apart and have all the original ROMs removed from the PCBs, and the Metal Slug ROMs would be soldered onto the former FF3 PCBs. Then the newly created Metal Slug PCBs are put back into the original cart shell that FF3 came in, and voila, you have a Metal Slug home cart. There is usually some extra wiring/soldering required, not just a simple ROM swap, but thats about the extent of it. So unfortunately, in the conversion process, an original home cart is "sacrificed" or lost, but a new (homebrew) home cart is created, in this case Metal Slug. Since MS is one of the rarest home carts, I personally have no problem with this process, as long as the new homebrew MS cart is not made to look like an authentic original one.

For the most part I agree with Kenny that the whole conversion/sac process is bad, especially for newer MVS games like Prehistory Isle 2 or Nightmare in the Dark. Those games require (many times) TWO sac carts, one of which has to be a very new game (usually KOF99). So in the making of a PI2 or NITD home cart, two other home carts are "lost".

!Arcade! supposedly doesn't use sac carts for his high quality conversions, since he has manufactured his own PCBs for home carts.
 
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Grrrrr! I also harbor a personal grudge against NGF (specifically Dion), as he sniper-bid me out of a 19" Neo Candy, which was my first oportunity to own a Neo arcade unit. I was EXTREMELY perterbed over this incident. His snipering set me back several months; I finally decided on the AES.
 
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Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<STRONG>I would DEFINITELY get freaky with Neo Whore! Wow, she is one hot girl....

Kpj</STRONG>
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Got a photo?

Send to my E-Mail Adress, please! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

No joke, pal!
 
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By the way, if you sacrifice Home Carts in order to make Conversions, that would mean, that these AES will get less and therefore rare.

Maybe that is the cause for the extreme "rareness" of Kizuna Euro Carts!
 
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Originally posted by the_move:
<STRONG>Maybe that is the cause for the extreme "rareness" of Kizuna Euro Carts!</STRONG>
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They were "sacrificed" by SNK himself, in order to get more japanese copies...
 
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Originally posted by BRANDI:
<STRONG>They were "sacrificed" by SNK himself, in order to get more japanese copies...</STRONG>
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Hell, I can not believe there ar eonly 4 copies left.

Maro Stuttgart selled 3 copies alone and at 1996b there were a lot more stores all over Europe offering Neo stuff. France for example!
 
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