the MONSTER that svc chaos is....

beelzebubble · Jul 1, 2003

is it just me or is this game gonna have a huge impact on the arcade market and the success of snk??

i have this feeling it is gonna land big and heavy, stimulate the 2d fighters market and put snk firmly back on the map.

why i cant say... it is a combination of the quality and concept combined with the fact that this game seems anticipated like no other recent fighter.

the bullshit surrounding this game is huge too with:

- mvs release or not
- new chip tech or not
- aes or not
- which ports will be available
- xbox live enabled or not
- all the fake character info floating about
- etc etc

i am hoping for a return to the good old days of 2-d fighters... a bulking up of the community with new players coming into the fold rather than the same old "win" hungry bitches mastering the games faults and spoiling all fun from the first week....

a nice healthy community of ppl making combo vids and spending time plumbing the depths this game has to offer!

heres hoping it lives up to my dreams

Mike · Jul 1, 2003

Here here!

BIG BEAR · Jul 1, 2003

This game's impact is going to be YUGE!!! not Huge.
Playmore has proven themselves to have gameplay mechanics down pat imo.We've already accepted that the SNK chars are not what most of us have hoped in the way of roster selections and re-used sprites in some cases.The Capcom chars making their debut SNK style is a monumentus occasion. This is what us SNK fans and I'm sure our capcom friends have been anticipating since 2000.
NEO GEO IS KING DAMNIT!
I love the Playmore strategy of using the hybrid board for arcade vending!!
This release should take us into 2005 with more releases,the new genration consoles can't touch us!! Neo Geo brings the ARCADE home!!
-BB

<small>[ July 01, 2003, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]</small>

Michael Yagami · Jul 1, 2003

SvC is the 600 lb. Gorillia lurking in the shadows just waiting to smash and destroy.
I really think that this game will show people that 2D is still a very viable medium. Not to mention the fact that this game will bring loads of new players over to the Neo. If there is any game that can start to turn the 3D tide its SvC.

Mike

Rade K · Jul 1, 2003

Hate to be a negative nancy, but this game looks to really only attract the same old SNK and CAPCOM fans that have been dwindling in numbers for years.

Also, unfortunately, a huge number of fans wont touch this till they can get it for free, and only then will it get even more attention.

It's unfair, but reused sprites and mismatched characters do not a revolution make.

And just to clarify:

No new chip
Hybrid board, then MVS
AES for sure
good sales sure, but expect a sequel that will fix all of our complaints.

I know Francesca has been saying this, but the GP DOES look basic.

Hey, Im as big a neo fan as any of you, but old engines with half hearted new touches and mostly re-used characters do not EXCITE me. I'm merely intrigued.

At the moment, my curiosity towards kof2k3 is growing as well, but Im not expecting a revolution.

Here hoping im wrong about these new games remaining weak.

What we need is a new, strog franchise, to go along with re-envisioned classics.

re-used 10 year old snk sprites=angry me.

Zeekade Zarathos · Jul 2, 2003

This game will attract everyone on this board, sell some copies, and that's it. Sorry, but that's the way it goes.

Everyone that I've talked to that has gone to E3 that somehow stumbled into the back-alley that Playmore was stuck all said that making another Neo Geo game was "stupid", "insane" and "pointless". No one has declared the slightest bit of interest other than those that already held some before they ever saw it. The graphics are the standard Neo Geo fare, and the only 2-D fighter that I've seen really attract new people in 5 years was Marvel vs. Capcom 2, and to a lesser extant, the Guilty Gear games. And it's because they made you stop and look if you passed them by when people were playing it. The sheer insanity and originality of the graphics and characters pulled you in. This game has none of that "Holy Crap!" appeal. And if you think that just because Capcom characters are being played on a Neo Geo should be a "Holy Crap!" moment all by itself, no one other than us really cares or understands. And for the few that might have, they have Capcom vs. SNK 1, 2 and Pro plus the portables.

This game will do nothing for the dying (I say already dead) arcade market. But it doesn't matter in the end.

Metal Fatigue · Jul 2, 2003

yea zeecade said some things i was thinking. To all of us here it will be HUGE. However i see two possibilities or the obvious you could call it, either it will have a big response all around or else only among the SNK fans which means still big to a small crowd. If the hardcore Capcom fanboys dont accept it i think thats a big factor as well. Its rough but then again maybe thats part of the neo world its only built for the hardcore and not exactly all "sell outs" or something.

I mean i go to the local arcade and there are like 10 mini namcos with soul calibur 2, with the neo games in teh back on the monitors that have problems and im the only one playing them. So whatever happens, happens i just hope enough support is given to keep neo and playmore going thats all that matters to me, i dont need the SC2 peeps gettin all hyped over it, doesnt matter to me. Shit most of them still ask me questions like "oh wow yea i want to get metal slug 3 or kof 2k2 on neo cd!" things like that are part of the reasons i could care less.

leGionellz · Jul 2, 2003

Zeekade Zarathos:
This game will attract everyone on this board, sell some copies, and that's it. Sorry, but that's the way it goes.

Everyone that I've talked to that has gone to E3 that somehow stumbled into the back-alley that Playmore was stuck all said that making another Neo Geo game was "stupid", "insane" and "pointless". No one has declared the slightest bit of interest other than those that already held some before they ever saw it. The graphics are the standard Neo Geo fare, and the only 2-D fighter that I've seen really attract new people in 5 years was Marvel vs. Capcom 2, and to a lesser extant, the Guilty Gear games. And it's because they made you stop and look if you passed them by when people were playing it. The sheer insanity and originality of the graphics and characters pulled you in. This game has none of that "Holy Crap!" appeal. And if you think that just because Capcom characters are being played on a Neo Geo should be a "Holy Crap!" moment all by itself, no one other than us really cares or understands. And for the few that might have, they have Capcom vs. SNK 1, 2 and Pro plus the portables.

This game will do nothing for the dying (I say already dead) arcade market. But it doesn't matter in the end.

Totally agree.

No matter how much we purists love it, this game won't mean much (if anything at all) to today's gamers. We all know that.

Let's just hope it attrackts enough interest from 2D fighting fans and older gamers to justify production of more games in the genre.

For us fanboys this game will mean a lot though

Sklabah · Jul 2, 2003

In a perfect world, SNK would be king. The Hyper NG64 would have ruled (In a non-niche-only way), and KOF would be the method by which all world conflicts would be resolved, thus the games would resonate in people's hearts, and the games would be #1 across the board.

This is not a perfect world. But I CERTAINLY want SvC! i just don't think it'll convert Tekken scrubs, and certainly won't win over the VF crowd. Face it, SvC caters to itself, so to speak. We, the hardcore, are lucky. But the future of 2D fighters rests securely in the doujin market: Fan-made fighters that are made for love, not money.

I'll buy, YES buy, SvC. And I'll cherish it for what it represents, and hopefully how it plays. But I don't think we'll be able to count the minutes before another quality HARDCORE game comes along. (unless SS5 is a reality) Hell, KOF is going 3D. The future, sadly, is now...

honeyman · Jul 2, 2003

I`m just happy to have the oppertunity to play this new fighter before I leave Japan

Yes, Guilty Gear XX will pull unfimiliars in, but then it only takes a pro with no consience to come along and bounce you against the side of the screen with huge combos until you`re dead

! Not to say the game`s bad, but I`ve seen good players play each other and matches seem to be like `I do my huge combo and you wait, then you do your huge combo and I`ll wait.`

SvC:Chaos will hopefully keep the matches at a level where players can move around and bouts will really seem like a 2-way thing. I like the reminiscent SFII?early KOF feel it has and am looking forward to playing and learning this game at least a little bit before I return to England crying buttrock drool_2 glee

beelzebubble · Jul 2, 2003

and the only 2-D fighter that I've seen really attract new people in 5 years was Marvel vs. Capcom 2

not in japan luckily where they know that mvc2 is about as deep as a puddle with a level of brokenness unrivaled by any other game..

i am so glad mvc2 never took off here, i would lose all faith. ppl here look beyond so called cool graphics hence the popularity of vf4 and kof.

in countries where ppl flock to ggxx and mvc2, arcades deserve death becoz you can get an equivalent or better graphical "adventure" in your own home...

in those countries where gameplay comes first kof and svc will probably continue to suceed as the "community" and competition is yet to be faithfully reproduced online.

<small>[ July 02, 2003, 09:24 AM: Message edited by: beelzebubble ]</small>

MilkManX · Jul 2, 2003

I sure hope it does well. I cant wait to play it myself.

kernow · Jul 2, 2003

I don't think it'll make as much revenue as the capcom vs titles ..

deffty · Jul 2, 2003

Sad but true, It will just be another games that won't change anything.

Reasons;
1)Many people are losing interest on Neo geo due to the disappointment of recent fighting game; ROTD, KOF2002, Matrimelee.
Fans already lose interest not to mention those gamers.
If its release on Naomi board on other better system, it might be a better hit.

People nowadays are playing Virtua cops, time crisis 3, gulity gear XX, and those initial D driving games.
They are more fun and more high tech than any other Neo geo games.

The main draw in my local arcade is KOF which features 3 on 3 and not a 1 vs 1 game.
Example that fail are; Last blade 1,2 , MOTW, ROTD, Matrimelee and so on.
They should have make a 3 VS 3 SVC in the first place.
Marvel VS CAPCOM2 really brings in high profits for the arcade operators, you can see full house at every cabinet everyday. eek!

Sadly I think it will only do well for the home cart and ports(PS2,DC,GC)
crying

Mark of the Wolves · Jul 2, 2003

I think it has a pretty good chance to make it big. I personally don't think it will though. It seems to take us back to the glory days of 2D fighters. It doesn't have a gimmick.

It might end up being one of those great games that no one plays. There is still hope though...

BIG BEAR · Jul 2, 2003

I was thinking if they come out with a sequel they should take a page out of Capcom's book and impliment the Tag System 2vs2.
-BB

MarrymeMai · Jul 2, 2003

Mark of the Wolves:
It doesn't have a gimmick.

Isn't the concept itself a gimmick? A "gimmick" is just what draws initially draws people to something. KOF's gimmick was 3v3 (and possibly Mai!).

dullbuoy · Jul 2, 2003

it's gonna be hard for it to be "huge" considering there really aren't that many arcades around anyway not the same as it was like in the 90's when snk made its name.

the reason capcom vs snk made money is thru ports - for every console on the market. that game didnt really spark a revolution either (maybe if it was released in the mid 90's)

beelzebubble · Jul 2, 2003

well to be honest guys i was thinking of home (brisbane) and here in japan + most of the neighbouring asian countries... here it might just have a major impact.. and back in brisbane too where cvs almost managed to bring 2 of the big communities together...

i could be wrong and just hyping myself up to much but anticipation is a good thing

FeelGood · Jul 2, 2003

beelzebubble:
well to be honest guys i was thinking of home (brisbane) and here in japan + most of the neighbouring asian countries... here it might just have a major impact.. and back in brisbane too where cvs almost managed to bring 2 of the big communities together...

i could be wrong and just hyping myself up to much but anticipation is a good thing

Nothing can save the video game scene in the US. Its fate has been doomed by the countless overweight Final Fantasy/GGXX instant fanboys. Stick a fork in it - it's done.

JHendrix · Jul 2, 2003

EvilWasabi:

beelzebubble:
well to be honest guys i was thinking of home (brisbane) and here in japan + most of the neighbouring asian countries... here it might just have a major impact.. and back in brisbane too where cvs almost managed to bring 2 of the big communities together...

i could be wrong and just hyping myself up to much but anticipation is a good thing

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Nothing can save the video game scene in the US. Its fate has been doomed by the countless overweight Final Fantasy/GGXX instant fanboys. Stick a fork in it - it's done.

It's not done, it just moved on. If you don't want to move with it then that's your problem.

BTW, if I remember correctly MvC2 was pretty big in Japan when it came out. I remember getting insane combo and match video's from the tournaments over there. Plus they had the US tourney winners to go and compete over there and they got killed really early in the big Japanese tournament.

Tenshokyaku · Jul 2, 2003

I think it will be the biggest in places like Singapore, Thailand, and that whole area of the world where the home console market suffers from poor economies. The arcade market there is huge because of that fact. It's also the bootleg capitol of the world because of that fact...

Here in the US I highly doubt it will even register with most people. The only people that will play it are the ones that already want it, namely the fans that have been faithful since day one. And they are a dying breed...

rarehero · Jul 2, 2003

personally.
i hope they didnt show a completed version of it
at the location tests.
its just me but i d like some more chara
plus whats up with SNK's SNK v cap site.
no new art of any of the new chara
how dull.
i m looking forward to it.
and as for its outlook in arcades in the states
hopefully it attracts the sf3 crowd that motw
almost attracted.

Tenshokyaku · Jul 2, 2003

Sklabah:
i just don't think it'll convert Tekken scrubs, and certainly won't win over the VF crowd. Face it, SvC caters to itself, so to speak. We, the hardcore, are lucky. But the future of 2D fighters rests securely in the doujin market: Fan-made fighters that are made for love, not money.

I only hope we have a large enough voice to keep it alive, and the companies that cater to us are innovative enough to keep it fresh.

beelzebubble · Jul 2, 2003

BTW, if I remember correctly MvC2 was pretty big in Japan when it came out. I remember getting insane combo and match video's from the tournaments over there. Plus they had the US tourney winners to go and compete over there and they got killed really early in the big Japanese tournament.

it was big enough to have that stuff, but that is just an indicator of the size of the japanese market. the japanese market is big enough to support large communities for at least 3 major fighting games at any one time unlike most other places.

mvc2 was like 4 or 5 even on release.. i was here when it came out....

kof, vf and now gg are the kings and that seems to stay that way from release to release. sfa3 and sf3 had sizeable communities but without yearly updates the communities dissipate after about 18 months.

it is interesting to note that japan honestly has the most loyal fans.... i met a group of ppl the other day who are trying to revive fucking ffspc here

they have been playing the game everyday in a fairly large online community here prolly since the game came out... there are even select arcades here that still have the game on a machine and you can go in and find a really good player with little trouble if you know where the arcade is....

in the future when bandwidth has advanced to the point that sending data between say america and japan (enough to run a perfect online game) is no problem i think these games will see some sort of dedicated community online.. i just hope that some company (snk..) will resurrect their old properties in some budget online incarnation. there is a good sized market out there for perfect speed online gaming i think...

the MONSTER that svc chaos is....

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