The fall of JUZAMS guide and the RISE of DSD and his IMMORTAL GUIDE!

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TonK

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IMO no game is worth over $300, rare or not.

This price guide turns away fans because they see the guide and know they will never afford the games they want.

There should not be a $3000 price on a Kizuna Encounter.

$1000+ on Metal Slug.

These AES titles should be enjoyed by everyone.

AXE the motherfucker!

FUCK THESE INSANE PRICES!

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Blaine

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Originally posted by TonK:
<STRONG>This price guide turns away fans because they see the guide and know they will never afford the games they want.
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Hell..I'm all for cheap games.

Tonk, do you think that the price guide influences the prices of the games more so than the price of the games influences the guide?

I guess what I'm asking is...do you think the prices will change if Shawn kills the price guide?

Just curious...not trying to be a dick or anything.
 
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TonK

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Yes.

If it was never started the prices would never be so high.
 
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DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL

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i been sayin axe it forever..that ridiculas shit list is the reason why the games are so high,and i dont care what anyone says...ppl go by that list when they sell......3 gs for kizuna,ahahagggggg who the fuck writes that shit,whos the authority on priceing here??...just cuz some cat with a site who thinks hes snk? i bet if he changed all the prices youd see a drop...bet
 
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i think a lot of prices on neo games are insane.

but it's people like nikke and jyosui that sell games very cheaply. i don't think they're influenced by that price guide, and if they are, they only make their games cheaper. I think that sellers should price games on what they're really worth, how much they deserve for giving it to someone else. condition should be a factor in this.

the neo-geo.com price guide isn't the fucking economy... This is one person's opinion, and it's being heralded like some message from god.

without the price guide, games would be priced much more fairly.

burn it.
 
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Unbiased MY ASS! <IMG SRC="smilies/smirk.gif" border="0">
 
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DRUNKEN SHAOLIN DEVIL

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ya know whats funny,is how the jap slug 3 is dropping in price on that list but the us one is high value...ahaha fuk aint that a ngf move man...kof 2000 anyone
 
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I'm for dropping MOST of the price guide. The only aspect that should remain is how common/rare certain games are. Without that aspect, I'd probably be flying blind, and possibly would've purchased an Eight Man AES without even knowing its rarity.
 
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TonK

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Who says what is rare?

I can get an EER TSS tomorrow if I wanted it, and for WAY less than the guide.

As Matt said, BURN IT!
 
ForeverSublime

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The guide does not DECIDE what the prices are, the buyers do. If I want to buy a game for $40, and the guide says it's valued at 75$, I'm not going to buy the game for $75. To say "no game is worth $300, rare or not" is more than a bit unthoughtful... why $300? You can't let your personal opinion about a price take over the reason why there should or shouldn't be a price guide. Just because a price guide says games go for a certain amount doesn't mean all sellers sell them for that much... it's only a representation. Yes, I can say there is more than likely some bias in the prices, as I have seen members of this site sell an item to shawn, and then he would up the price the next update. Even if you axe the guide, prices will remain the same. Cheap sellers would sell cheap, pricy sellers would sell high. Even more true, cheap buyers will buy cheap, high rollers just don't care as much. You don't have to buy from Shawn.

I do like how it lists how common the games are, but actual release stats would be nice (how many were actually released). Until you have actual numbers, the rarity of some items is a bit more of opinion than fact (some games are a bit more common in some parts of the world... depends who your retailer is, and partially how good their connection is with the publisher).
 
ForeverSublime

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Long story short, it will not effect the prices because games are not worth anything. They only hold values.
 
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Caris Nautilus

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The price guide is not accurate, it's more of someones "opinion" of what games should be worth, from a small corner of the net.

Axe it, it only hurts the scene, since people see the guide, and say wow my carts worth XX ammount, I can get even more than that!

People should pay according to how much they want a game, or sell for how much a games worth to them, price guides are not a good thing in videogames, because game prices are VERY different depending on where you buy, ebay is outragious, online prices are normal to high, actual game stores are ushually cheaper, games in japan dirt cheap. Buying from a person or friend varies greatly.

The price guide reflects mainly ebay and the net, not acurate.

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Oh this is such a tired topic.

I personally agree that Kizuna for $3000 or MS for $1000+ is pretty insame for someone to pay. Then again, some people (well, you for example Tonk) pay these prices. (How many Slugs have you bought and sold anyway?)

The thing is, people have options. They are not obligated to buy a $3000 Kizuna cart. If they want the game, they can:

A) go ahead and buy it for $30 on MVS and get an Arcade convertor and play it direct on their AES.

B) get a supergun and play it there

C) get a cab

D) have it converted

Metal Slug has the same option route and is even avaliable for the Neo CD which is a pretty good version.

These AES titles are collectibles and to some are worth that much. No one is being denied the right to play these games, it just that if you want it to be on AES direct from SNK, then you better have a the flow <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

No intentions to flame anyone here, but the priceguide is just some text on "someguy's" website. Buyers and sellers are the ones that determine what an item will sell for.
 
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People like NSX-T will follow the price guide.

He thinks Neo AES cart is a good "investment".......

Yeah right. US KE for $2000 shipped......
My ass.........
why don't you suck your dick?
 
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Caris Nautilus

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Originally posted by Liquid Snake:
<STRONG>People like NSX-T will follow the price guide.

He thinks Neo AES cart is a good "investment".......

Yeah right. US KE for $2000 shipped......
My ass.........
why don't you suck your dick?</STRONG>
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Kizuna is an average fighter in my book, if it was worth 2,000, a game like MOTWs should cost 20,000.

Plus since so few people seem to own the english version, it probably means its a very professional fake, companies just don't make 2-10 fully manufactored carts, if there was more wouldn't they pop up?

I smell NGF...

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complexz

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well i know im quite new to the whole neogeo scene and if there was a price guide that was accurate i would use it to make sure im not getting ripped off

but obviouslly yall know what your talking about..hope u dont mind me asking what a average price would be on the board tho
 
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I totally agree with the majority here that the list drives up prices for neo carts. I'd like to see it axed also.
 
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Funny how an original Japanese SNK released of MS3 is valued less than an American MS3 with MVS errors. Makes you wonder huh?
 
Neo Bomber Man

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You have my vote and full support.

We've been over it before: a guide based on speculation doesn't really do anyone any good.

It's supposed to give an idea of how often game X comes up for sale, not reflect the production run. Too many people confuse this. And in this respect, the "guide" is not accurate. Why do I -and I'm sure many of you- see, for example, more copies of Mark of the Wolves than Aero Fighters 2 for sale, generally speaking?

I have thought for a long time, it's only Shawn's way of assisting in some small way, however it can, to keep those prices high, to maintain some value for his collection, with concrete, at that insanely in appropriate, numbers.

Plus, for all intensive purposes it's only applicable to the US market, which is not the only one, and not the largest either.

Having someone decide that a game is suddenly more valuable because one or two copies surface after a dry period of them and thus go for a lot of money (Magical Drop 2 & 3, can we say) is also, truly, quite a load of shit.

I haven't read the other replies yet but I don't imagine there will be many in disfavour of the proposal.

So what's it going to be then, eh?
 
BIG BEAR

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The price guide is definitely being misused by the selling public,no doubt. Especially by Ebay sellers...
I participated in several auctions and the carts were in Very Poor condition but described as GOOD,GREAT and EXCELLENT.
The condition of home carts are declining that are in circulation over these many years plus some are missing manuals or inserts.
I've never been a fan of that price guide,
I also realize that the DEMAND determines what something is worth but that guide is being misused by sellers misrepresenting their product.
-BB
 
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Caris Nautilus

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Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<STRONG>The price guide is definitely being misused by the selling public,no doubt. Especially by Ebay sellers...
I participated in several auctions and the carts were in Very Poor condition but described as GOOD,GREAT and EXCELLENT.
The condition of home carts are declining that are in circulation over these many years plus some are missing manuals or inserts.
I've never been a fan of that price guide,
I also realize that the DEMAND determines what something is worth but that guide is being misused by sellers misrepresenting their product.
-BB</STRONG>
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Yes sellers do that to much, they try and sell games for the highest price guide price, even though they may be good or less condition, regardless of how accurate the price guide is, the "high" price is for games in BRAND NEW condition. To many people now say "mint" when they don't even know what it means, it's getting as worse as people using the word "rare".

Every import game on ebay now is "rare"

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BIG BEAR

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Originally posted by Pichai:
<STRONG>Funny how an original Japanese SNK released of MS3 is valued less than an American MS3 with MVS errors. Makes you wonder huh?</STRONG>
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Funny?
Japanese version worth more than an English version in Japan.English version is worth more everywhere else.English is more widely spoken and read...
-BB
 
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cox_xoc

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the price guide should die. it just makes games like my precious TSS get farther away from reach (bastard it is!). Although for some reason if i had the funds i could have it for $800 at my door, mint even! And MOTW come on way toooooooo high. I dont want to pay that much for a game w/ 12 or so fighters, great game but not a $500+. Anyway aes prices suck and w/o a guide they will become more of a haggling game btw buyers and sellers which would offer a better system if you asked me. And another thing, NO game is rare. You can always find it if you want it. Hope this *cough* SUGGESTION *cough* passes for the axe.
 
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