Petition to include Kyokugen Star in Neo-Geo.com Black Book list

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Yashiro666

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I know that the policy to be put into the Black Book list at Neo-Geo.com is to have ripped or tried to rip off Shawn, the owner of this site.
I want to poll the honorable members in the Neo community whether scammers should appear in Shawn's Black Book list even though KS has not ripped off Shawn. As the administrator of this site and also a person many Neo fans look up to, I am surprised nothing has been done to KS in this site other than to flame him.
Shawn, let me take a poll of the members of this site and if enough people sign it at least I want you to consider it, since many members have brought it to your attention before but nothing has been done.
I, for one, let me be the first person to recomend that KS name be listed on the Black Book so everyone can see the scammer that he is,(just like Neo Geo Freak).
 
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Maybe not in Shawns black book, but I definatly think that the Neo-Geo.com comunity needs someway of keeping track of good and bad buyers/sellers. There is a ton of business traficing through the buying and selling forums each day, and as to my knowledge no one is monitering it. We really need some way of "psoting feedback" about each transaction that goes on here.

I know it seems like a backwards step for the forums, but there has been way to much scaming going on as of late. Shawn I really think you need to address this issue, and try to set up some kind of system for safe trading/buying/selling on Neo-Geo.com.


Criterionradiohed ;)
 
the_move

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1. This Thread should be in the Suggestions forum.

2. Astonishing that an "occasion-member" pulled this out. Probably another fake account for the dirty work.

But, well! Go on! Since I recommend this to other, who thought to open a thread about this topic every day.

Maybe this can be solved by a petition.
 
Shawn

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About the community Black Book, this concept has been brought up many times, but I have always been against it. At least as far as hosting on NG.com is concerned. Of course if we all agree on a practical, fair, and accurate solution, this new black book could be opened for member protection and education purposes. Btw, our bbs has a built in feedback system, but it is limited in that you can only cast each individual member one total vote.

There are always two sides to a story, and only the people involved know the whole truth. We will still only have second hand information and could very well crucify and ruin innocent reputations, and in turn, tarnish our own. Who wants to take that degree of responsibility? I for one definitely do not want to be the one in charge of it.

If someone is going to be the judge of the community black book we should first nominate, then vote (I'm not running for this position). Then he could determine whether or not the accused deserves a star appearance in the new Community Black Book.
 
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TonK

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Who are we to judge any individual?

Without the proper evidence we cannot convict someone of wrongdoing.

These are isolated incidents.

Kyokugen thinks he is innocent and so does bahamut.

I could see if no goods were sent, but its tough for Kyokugen to swallow his pride.

But after seeing his posts on the situation I can agree that he is guilty of fraud and should return the money, but will that happen? No.

There is no Neo Judicial System.
 
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Caris Nautilus

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I think since this scam was so big, and the details are all public, he SHOULD be put on the black book page, as a warning to other people he could rip in the future, I mean he stole 1600 bucks, thats fucking bigtime.
 
the_move

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Originally posted by Shawn:
<strong>About the community Black Book, this concept has been brought up many times, but I have always been against it. At least as far as hosting on NG.com is concerned. Of course if we all agree on a practical, fair, and accurate solution, this new black book could be opened for member protection and education purposes. Btw, our bbs has a built in feedback system, but it is limited in that you can only cast each individual member one total vote.

There are always two sides to a story, and only the people involved know the whole truth. We will still only have second hand information and could very well crucify and ruin innocent reputations, and in turn, tarnish our own. Who wants to take that degree of responsibility? I for one definitely do not want to be the one in charge of it.

If someone is going to be the judge of the community black book we should first nominate, then vote (I'm not running for this position). Then he could determine whether or not the accused deserves a star appearance in the new Community Black Book.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wonder why actually no one nominates himself for this "honourable" position!

As well as giving a vote since this is a petition. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
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Chris_85TA

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I'll do it. I'm somewhat new but I see whats going on and I think KS and aimhigh should be in some sort of black book.
 
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Yashiro666

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I would nominate someone who has been around the Neo scene for a while, someone such as a moderator from this site, or someone who is known or respected on the Neo scene.
I would nominate myself but since I'm not known here I don't think that would be fair for other more respected members who have been here longer.
And the_bowelmovement, if you have nothing to contribute or anything constructive to say, then just go and hang out with your buddy KS and his father and plan to scam some other poor victim. If you having notced, the_fool, nobody talks or pays attention to you except your scammers buddys or NGF, so just go away to scammerland, trust me, you will not be missed here.
 
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Originally posted by Yashiro666:
<strong>I would nominate someone who has been around the Neo scene for a while, someone such as a moderator from this site, or someone who is known or respected on the Neo scene.
I would nominate myself but since I'm not known here I don't think that would be fair for other more respected members who have been here longer.
And the_bowelmovement, if you have nothing to contribute or anything constructive to say, then just go and hang out with your buddy KS and his father and plan to scam some other poor victim. If you having notced, the_fool, nobody talks or pays attention to you except your scammers buddys or NGF, so just go away to scammerland, trust me, you will not be missed here.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Excuse me dickhead69, but

1. I do not know any NGFs, coz I live acroos the atlantic.

2. Tell me, who got scammed by me! Name that person. If you can not, shut th fuck up.

3. Be sure more people would miss me than they would you, because you are just another popped up fake acccount.

4. It is still the_move, not bowel or something. You should visit school again for 1. grade reading lessons!
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Caris Nautilus

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Originally posted by the_move:
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Excuse me dickhead69, but

1. I do not know any NGFs, coz I live acroos the atlantic.

2. Tell me, who got scammed by me! Name that person. If you can not, shut th fuck up.

3. Be sure more people would miss me than they would you, because you are just another popped up fake acccount.

4. It is still the_move, not bowel or something. You should visit school again for 1. grade reading lessons!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shouldn't you be working on the Price Guide? :D
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the_move

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Originally posted by Drift King EX:
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Shouldn't you be working on the Price Guide? :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

That´s FTL´s job.

My job is to complain about it´s existence!
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the_move

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Besides I try to encourage people to do an honourable but difficult task. Now I get flamed for it?!

Mmh, extraordinary!
 
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Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<strong>I think since this scam was so big, and the details are all public, he SHOULD be put on the black book page, as a warning to other people he could rip in the future, I mean he stole 1600 bucks, thats fucking bigtime.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed. we've all been watching this since that morning when Bahamut posted the email from KS, and KS's response - all very directly stating that it was a scam, and KS was not paying up.

put him in the book. Put his name, Ralph Karels, and his father's name, Charles Karels, and his many ebay id monikers. His hometown, his university webpage, his address. Anything there is.

The same should be done for Dion and Chris R and their many fake names.
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less than joseph

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Originally posted by the_move:
<strong>1.

2. Astonishing that an "occasion-member" pulled this out. Probably another fake account for the dirty work.

But, well! Go on! Since I recommend this to other, who thought to open a thread about this topic every day.

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Shut the fuck up bowel_move no one wants hear your bullshit. Im not even sure why im posting this seeing as how you will probably reply in some german post anyway.
-joseph
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pedu

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I agree, why not?

KS has confirmed in this forum that the cart he sold is NOT original. His father(?) -who auction the cart for him- promised to return the money if it's NOT original, AND KS has given his reason why he doesn't want to refund the money (Bahamut dirty his name in the forum)

There is nothing unclear there
It's a 100% fraud
I dont understand why people can't see straight

Pedu
 
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pedu

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Originally posted by Shawn:
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There are always two sides to a story, and only the people involved know the whole truth. We will still only have second hand information and could very well crucify and ruin innocent reputations, and in turn, tarnish our own.
QB]<hr></blockquote>


There is only one story in this case, KS and Bahamut say the cart is a conversion. Bahamut sent the money and KS received it.

It's up to us now to judge if: "Bahamut dirty my name so I won't refund" is a valid reason not to return the money.

If anyone still somehow think that's a valid reason:
remember, in KS email (that happens before Bahamut posted in this site) KS has stated he will NOT refund.

So?

Pedu
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Caris Nautilus

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is that KS in the fucking pic bigbear made with the grin or not???????
 
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Dunno, but it serves its purpose nonetheless...

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johnf878

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Originally posted by pedu:
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There is only one story in this case, KS and Bahamut say the cart is a conversion. Bahamut sent the money and KS received it.

It's up to us now to judge if: "Bahamut dirty my name so I won't refund" is a valid reason not to return the money.

If anyone still somehow think that's a valid reason:
remember, in KS email (that happens before Bahamut posted in this site) KS has stated he will NOT refund.

So?

Pedu</strong><hr></blockquote>

There really is only one side here. That dishonest piece of shit's only argument was to say that Bahamut was "greedy" for expecting to get a realy MS for $1600. What a fucking ass.
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Tarma

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Shawn, I'd be happy to over see a members black book if you want to upload one, but you wanted to take no responsibility for it's running.

Unless of course GamersAbyss wanted to take the role as he has been very helpful to members in trouble in the past. Aside from myself, I'd nominate GA.

LMK.
 
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Chris_85TA

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That pic is from an article KS did. Go to the homepage and look at the mags neogeo.com have been in.
 
the_move

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Originally posted by joseph:
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Shut the fuck up bowel_move no one wants hear your bullshit. Im not even sure why im posting this seeing as how you will probably reply in some german post anyway.
-joseph</strong><hr></blockquote>


Now what is your fucking problem?!

Besides we already have a judge for the communities black book.
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SonGohan

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I'm one for GA as well. The guy helps people get back money that was scammed from them, why not let him post about it? It's not like he's just picking out people from random here..
 
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