price guide for euro Kizuna.

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chamane

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Why is there no price in the price guide for this game?
"Monalisa rare,not for sale"...
The price to pay for it is now 10000 euro because last one was sold by Wolfgang at this price...No less,no more.
So Shawn,Simone,do something for the price guide ....
 
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chamane:
Why is there no price in the price guide for this game?
"Monalisa rare,not for sale"...
The price to pay for it is now 10000 euro because last one was sold by Wolfgang at this price...No less,no more.
So Shawn,Simone,do something for the price guide ....
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One game doesn't reflect the price-guide, specially
since Wolfgang and the buyer didn't specify the
figures in the transaction in other words no
EVIDENCE, unless both parties contact the
AES price guide analysts...

glee
 
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LOL.

That price guide shows exactly the real face of the sales.

Kizuna Encounter is Mona Lisa rare?
yes?
Also the last went for about 10Keuros.
With we cannot take this price.

When the last sale for U11 went about 3000Euros, The price guide said 3000 euros.

If there is no price for KE Euro, no price for ultimate eleven!
Or it is not fair...

I know some members here do everything to make the price of this game increase..but that price guide is not a price guide if there is no price for a game that is sold.
There is only ONE MONA LISA....
That game is rare, we must waiting 15 sales for this game to have a value?

bullshits.
 
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Very few copies are around.

The buyer of Wolfgang's Kizuna paid 10000 euros,like $11000(at the time updated exchange rate)+all costs to go in Austria and go back home.

So,we could make a note of known owner to be safe NOT to buy a converted cart.
But price could be less than $11000 or more,depending on many factors.

Did not seem right to put such amounts in the guide anyway.
It is ultimate goal for serious collectors so they can figure out the real value.
 
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FTL:
Very few copies are around.

The buyer of Wolfgang's Kizuna paid 10000 euros,like $11000(at the time updated exchange rate)+all costs to go in Austria and go back home.

So,we could make a note of known owner to be safe NOT to buy a converted cart.
But price could be less than $11000 or more,depending on many factors.

Did not seem right to put such amounts in the guide anyway.
It is ultimate goal for serious collectors so they can figure out the real value.
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I do not see the problem...A price guide is not a price guide if you can not put a price on a game.
Regards,
Chamane.
 
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Simone: With your point of view, you have to delete the price for Ultimate 11 too, it is the second ultimate goal for serious Euro collector,isn't it?

You take 2 similar games, and treat them in a different way .

No logic in your acts.
 
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waku7:
Simone: With your point of view, you have to delete the price for Ultimate 11 too, it is the second ultimate goal for serious Euro collector,isn't it?

You take 2 similar games, and treat them in a different way .

No logic in your acts.
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I am totally agree with this.I think that we will see only 1 euro kiz for sale every 3 or 5 years.So,tehprice of 10000 Euro is justified,no less no more.
 
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FTL:
Very few copies are around.

The buyer of Wolfgang's Kizuna paid 10000 euros,like $11000(at the time updated exchange rate)+all costs to go in Austria and go back home.

So,we could make a note of known owner to be safe NOT to buy a converted cart.
But price could be less than $11000 or more,depending on many factors.

Did not seem right to put such amounts in the guide anyway.
It is ultimate goal for serious collectors so they can figure out the real value.
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So Simone,will you do something for this game in the price guide?Or are you going to say that it cost 15000 usd like you said to Wolfgang.
Please,give a price to this game in the price guide.
Sincerely,
Chamane.
 
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Chamane you re tlaking about Fu Un a lot


maybe you have one you want to sell...and you would love to see it priced high? :rolleyes:
 
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In the name of the Goddess!

Who in the fucking HELL pays 10.000€ for JUST one game??????? Not a very good one, and it can be had in JPN format (or even MVS) for 100 times less money?

OK, you will start with "this is for collectors", "it's super-rare" and all that crap... I think quite a lot of people needs to go to the doctor... the FREAK level is starting to worry me.
 
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I will take the exemple of rare cars. Give a price to the CLK-GTR LM ?? only 3 ou 5 chassis, so the price are define when one of them is sold in an famous action. As simple as that.
 
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It is not a collector's problem.
Who is ready to pay 1000Usd/2000Usd for a crap game?Such as Marukochan?
I prefer spend 10000 Euros for a Kizuna Euro(less than 10 copies around, maybe less), than for a crap game like maruko.

The problem is the legitimity of the price guide.
Ultimate 11 is as rare as Kizuna Encounter.

**Ultimate 11 4000Usd+ EER
**Kizuna encounter Mona lisa rare.

2 Games, 1 rarity,2 price, one at 4000, one unknown(an unknown price is better for a seller than a fixed one,isn't it?)

One kizuna for sale, final price, 100000 Euros.


2 Solutions.
No price for Kizuna And Ultimate 11
2 Prices for Ultimate 11 AND Kizuna Encounter.

Or no changes, and a non legit price guide(from the moment it is non objective)
 
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chamane:
FTL:
Very few copies are around.

The buyer of Wolfgang's Kizuna paid 10000 euros,like $11000(at the time updated exchange rate)+all costs to go in Austria and go back home.

So,we could make a note of known owner to be safe NOT to buy a converted cart.
But price could be less than $11000 or more,depending on many factors.

Did not seem right to put such amounts in the guide anyway.
It is ultimate goal for serious collectors so they can figure out the real value.
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So Simone,will you do something for this game in the price guide?Or are you going to say that it cost 15000 usd like you said to Wolfgang.
Please,give a price to this game in the price guide.
Sincerely,
Chamane.
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Wolfgang Kizuna is in ONLY near mint or better excellent condition,even the sticker is all scratched up.
So,Kizuna can sell for more or for less depending on many factors.
The guy who paid 10000 euros for Kizuna of wolfgang paid too much in my opinion but I know of others who offered more than 10000 euros but did not trust enough the seller.

More,the buyer of wolfgang's Kizuna had to go in person to pick up the copy and that could be not cheap at all!

Ultimate 11 sold for around $3000-4000 last sale I'm aware of and that seems quite a good actul quote.

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Why all the fuss over some silly bootleg inferior euro cart? spock

Go legit and buy the official Japanese release :)

Plus Fuun STB is already listed in the japanese price guide... top game as well :D
 
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waku7:
It is not a collector's problem.
Who is ready to pay 1000Usd/2000Usd for a crap game?Such as Marukochan?
I prefer spend 10000 Euros for a Kizuna Euro(less than 10 copies around, maybe less), than for a crap game like maruko.

The problem is the legitimity of the price guide.
Ultimate 11 is as rare as Kizuna Encounter.

**Ultimate 11 4000Usd+ EER
**Kizuna encounter Mona lisa rare.

2 Games, 1 rarity,2 price, one at 4000, one unknown(an unknown price is better for a seller than a fixed one,isn't it?)

One kizuna for sale, final price, 100000 Euros.


2 Solutions.
No price for Kizuna And Ultimate 11
2 Prices for Ultimate 11 AND Kizuna Encounter.

Or no changes, and a non legit price guide(from the moment it is non objective)
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Mathieu.if the buyer for 10000 euros step up and email me confirming the price he paid giving proof,I will update the guide.

Sorry,but I do not feel like it's right to put such amounts in the guide since there is no need to write prices on thos items.
TOO MANY FACTORS.
 
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I do not think that there is enough information to put a price for that game.

Fixing a price for this game, even though it is merely illustrative, would be too much impetuous. In other words “a flower doesn’t mean Spring”.

I think that no price should be provided for this game or, failing it, the last price the game was sold for should be quoted (specifying this circumstance).

Somehow the price guide affects the market, making some prices look like standardized, thus I think that fixing prices for rare games should be handled with extremely caution. Besides there is no evidence of how much was paid for that game.

The fact that there is a price guide does not mean that every game should be priced. I prefer to not have a fixed price for a game if there is not a solid base to determine it.
 
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Ilovejapangirls:
Chamane you re tlaking about Fu Un a lot


maybe you have one you want to sell...and you would love to see it priced high? :rolleyes:
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Sorry but I do not have one copy for sale.For this,I should own 2 copies:one for me and the other for sell...I do not have to speak a lot about the game to see its value increase...I just want a legit price for this game,that is all.
Regards,
Chamane.
 
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The term "mona lisa rare" is just fucking hilarious.
 
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FTL:
chamane:
FTL:
Very few copies are around.

The buyer of Wolfgang's Kizuna paid 10000 euros,like $11000(at the time updated exchange rate)+all costs to go in Austria and go back home.

So,we could make a note of known owner to be safe NOT to buy a converted cart.
But price could be less than $11000 or more,depending on many factors.

Did not seem right to put such amounts in the guide anyway.
It is ultimate goal for serious collectors so they can figure out the real value.
Click to expand...
So Simone,will you do something for this game in the price guide?Or are you going to say that it cost 15000 usd like you said to Wolfgang.
Please,give a price to this game in the price guide.
Sincerely,
Chamane.
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Wolfgang Kizuna is in ONLY near mint or better excellent condition,even the sticker is all scratched up.
So,Kizuna can sell for more or for less depending on many factors.
The guy who paid 10000 euros for Kizuna of wolfgang paid too much in my opinion but I know of others who offered more than 10000 euros but did not trust enough the seller.

More,the buyer of wolfgang's Kizuna had to go in person to pick up the copy and that could be not cheap at all!

Ultimate 11 sold for around $3000-4000 last sale I'm aware of and that seems quite a good actul quote.
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Sorry Simone but I think that you do not know what you are speaking about(with all the respect due to you)
1/the sticker is in excellent condition(no scratches on it)
2/I do not see why you say that the buyer paid too much for this game because I know you said to Wolfgang that he could sell the game 15000 or 20000 euro if he was able to wait 6 months or a year more.
3/Noone offered more than 10000 euro for the game.I know you said I offered 15000 euro for it but I never said you this.
4/The deal has not been made in Austria as you said but in Germany,Stuttgart,TV tower.
This is all I can say Simone.All is true.
I am the guy who meet Wolfgang in person around 2 months ago to by this game.
Now,please,actualise thie aes price guide.
Best regards,
CHAMANE;
 
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leave the price guide as it is.

you put it up, that'll be the baseline price next time it comes up, obviously.. they'll aim to make profit over this (15k, 20k mentioned above).


fuck that.. it'll give the gougers something to work off... the price should be allocated for each individual sale as it comes up each time.

silly really
 
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kernow:
leave the price guide as it is.

you put it up, that'll be the baseline price next time it comes up, obviously.. they'll aim to make profit over this (15k, 20k mentioned above).


fuck that.. it'll give the gougers something to work off... the price should be allocated for each individual sale as it comes up each time.

silly really
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No flamming there...
I just want a sort of fixed price on this game.It will not be fair if people were obliged to pay 15000 or 20KE for this game next time it will appear.Do you think that"Mona-Lisa rare"is better than 10KE?
 
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