AES Price Guide updates

Narkoleptx · May 10, 2002

I was just looking over the AES price updates and was just curious as to why the Euro Ultimate 11 is listed as $2000-2500...has one ever been sold for that much money? Forgive me for being in the dark, but I haven't been following Ebay or the selling forums much for the past year...

I know it's rare and blah blah blah, but unless it sells for that much how can you justify listing that as it's price?

If I had a Kizuna for sale and put it on the selling page for $4000 does that make it worth that much even if noone buys it?

I guess the point of this post is why do games keep climbing in value when they aren't being bought and sold? I haven't seen a US RB2 in a while, but I've never seen one go for $400+...

- Kyle

the_move · May 10, 2002

Never trust any statistics, which have not been faked by yourself! :rolleyes:

Wolf · May 10, 2002

Simone and Shawn both have access to data from non-public sales. That's why you haven't seen a RB2 go for $400+

There were several that went for that much in the last couple months though.

Same thing goes for U11. Someone did pay that much for the game.

A transaction doesn't need to go through ebay to register on the price guide.

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Wolf ]

FTL · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by Wolf:
Simone and Shawn both have access to data from non-public sales. That's why you haven't seen a RB2 go for $400+

There were several that went for that much in the last couple months though.

Same thing goes for U11. Someone did pay that much for the game.

A transaction doesn't need to go through ebay to register on the price guide.

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Wolf ]<hr></blockquote>

Thanks John for summing it up so well.

EVERY quote is based on facts,not illations.

U 11 private sales got to $2700 as for the price but it was a private sale in Europe.

As I already said,personally I reckon the game worth more than $3000 if I had to pay slug 1 US $2800 or 3000.
But THIS is my opinion and that's why it is NOT listed in the guide.

Real bout 2 US sold for $400-450 and it is really rare.
The jap counterpart is almost the half of the value,being very common and easy to get in a competitive market.

That's the main point:

Japanese carts are in a COMPETITIVE MARKET.
You don't feel like paying $280 for RB 2 jap?
You can get it cheaper and cheaper if you look.

US carts are much rarer looking at some titles,like,REAL BOUT 2.
So,when you see it for $400 or so,it is worth it.
But you are NOT forced to buy it.
While your battling with yourself about the price someone else will have bought it already.

Narkoleptx · May 10, 2002

I wasn't implying that all transactions have to be public to be eligible, it just adds legitimacy for the average Joe like myself. I'll take Shawn's word for it, because I believe he's an honest guy and a great seller, but I've seen enough US Metal Slugs for sale that I suspect that "ER" rating may be off...

I'm sure Slug hasn't made a lot of appearances lately because when you see a few of them they tend to go for less and less each time... Remember a bunch of TSS that popped up around this time last year...first went for over a grand, each after went for about $100 less.

Hell I even remember a few years ago when 3 US Slug's were on Ebay at the same time! The last one closed under $800 and I remember thinking to myself, "I wonder if I should've bid on that?" "Nah...I'd be lucky if I ever got what I paid for it"...heh heh...ah the good ol' days!
- Kyle

FeelGood · May 10, 2002

Once you start looking for a US Real Bout 2 of all games, or a carton Super Spy, you've moved too far into the collecting sphere to complain much. Af for Tokuten Oh 4 honoo no libero... Let's just say that it doesn't matter what format you seek it on, you are probably a collector, because Konami makes a much better 2D soccer game called International Superstar Soccer. Heh.

the_move · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by Wolf:
Simone and Shawn both have access to data from non-public sales. That's why you haven't seen a RB2 go for $400+

There were several that went for that much in the last couple months though.

Same thing goes for U11. Someone did pay that much for the game.

A transaction doesn't need to go through ebay to register on the price guide.

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Wolf ]<hr></blockquote>

Nice! 2 people have access to data of "unpublic" sales!

What if those sales have never happened?

You can tell anything "unpublic" stuff! You can tell any shit!

Faked shit!

This is no prove at all.

But it proofs even more, that the guide is based on major bullshit!

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]

FTL · May 10, 2002

All more easy to find titles are in keeping with market values.

For really rare games,of course datas are few.

But Kizuna or Ultimate 11 euro are only 2 games and not so important for many since they are almost impossible to find.

So try to focus on all other titles and you will find a really useful tool.

The move: Ultimate 11 last sale is REAL but it is private.
Some titles are really collectors item and really hard to find,try to understand it instead of trolling the forums.

Mike · May 10, 2002

IF YOU HAVE TO STICK TO WHAT THE CURRENT PRICE GUIDE IS, DO THIS:

List the median price that a games value has. NOT A PRICE RANGE.

For example:

Sam Showdown 4 U.S. - $330
Metal Slug 1 U.S. - $1,500
Kizuna Encounter- $2,200

Also, for cart prices that are continually changing include this:

Mark of the Wolves JPN - static ($400)

---OR--- WHAT YOU COULD DO IS TAKE MY BRILLIANT AND OTHERWISE GODLY INSPIRED VISION: ( <img src="graemlins/angry.gif" border="0" alt="[Angry]" /> )

Make a Price Chart:

for example:

"Prices for each title range from game to game"

Under $50
Sengoku
Baseball Stars
Top Players Golf
Football Frenzy
Robo Army

Between $50 and $100
Sam Showdown 2
Baseball Stars 2
Super Sidekicks 3

Do this all the way through to:

Over $1,500
Metal Slug 1
Kizuna Encounter
Ultimate 11

This method will allow some room for change in prices and still keep prices where they should be at the same time.

To give an exact price range is just a bad idea. You will never be able to stay acurate. The reason is that everyone that is selling a game for profit will want to "win." Ie. They will want to beat the high price for the price guide. If you give a range, then games will become more avaliable and prices will stay down to earth where they should be

This will be my first and final post on the subject. Thanks for reading
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[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Mike ]

Narkoleptx · May 10, 2002

I hope you weren't implying that I was trolling the forums...I think I asked a legitimate question and I do appreciate all of the things that Neo-Geo.com has to offer, even the price guide.

I was just wondering why values of games that hadn't been traded were going up and down... You need trading to occur for value to rise or fall. I wasn't aware that people were using private sales as a reference point, mostly because I just assumed it unlikely that anyone other than the two exchanging parties of the sale had knowledge of that information.

- Kyle
ps...As a side note, perhaps RB2 doesn't seem quite as rare when it's sitting on the shelf. Too bad I can't say that about Kizuna! =P

FTL · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by Narkoleptx:
I hope you weren't implying that I was trolling the forums...I think I asked a legitimate question and I do appreciate all of the things that Neo-Geo.com has to offer, even the price guide.

I was just wondering why values of games that hadn't been traded were going up and down... You need trading to occur for value to rise or fall. I wasn't aware that people were using private sales as a reference point, mostly because I just assumed it unlikely that anyone other than the two exchanging parties of the sale had knowledge of that information.

- Kyle
ps...As a side note, perhaps RB2 doesn't seem quite as rare when it's sitting on the shelf. Too bad I can't say that about Kizuna! =P<hr></blockquote>

Kyle,
sorry if I seemed not polite.
I was referring ONLY to the move who doesn't miss a chance to ruin a serious discussion.

I thank you for your help and hope you post again on the subject.

Mike your idea will be considered as well but a price range is more in keeping with an accurate description of neo geo home carts.

Metal slug 1 can go for $2800 as for $1500...so,the guide is trying to give a general but REALISTIC idea for each titles.

To list $1500+ for slug 1 would be not so correct when you keep on seeing some copies for well over $2000 .

The same applies to Ultimate 11 or Kizuna.

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: FTL ]

Comrade Porn King Mikhail · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by Narkoleptx:

ps...As a side note, perhaps RB2 doesn't seem quite as rare when it's sitting on the shelf. Too bad I can't say that about Kizuna! =P<hr></blockquote>

Shiat, are we talking about the same RB2 that I bought from you and then sold back to you a couple of months later? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> Ah, the good old days...

I remember bidding on a US Metal Slug on eBay for $1000 at right about the same time. Shawn ended up winning it for just a little bit more. The game was right across the campus in Berkeley and I almost had it in my hands. Mistakenly, I thought that I wouldn't need to have a spare Slug for trade at that point in time.

Sincerely,

Mikhail

FeelGood · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by FTL:


I was referring ONLY to the move who doesn't miss a chance to ruin a seious discussion.
<hr></blockquote>

You're talking about video games, not world politics. Nothing talked about here is serious, except Kyokugen Star scamming Bahamut.

FTL · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:


You're talking about video games, not world politics. Nothing talked about here is serious, except Kyokugen Star scamming Bahamut.<hr></blockquote>

Serious is the attitude towards a goal I'm trying WITH Shawn to achieve.

the_move · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by FTL:

The move: Ultimate 11 last sale is REAL but it is private.
Some titles are really collectors item and really hard to find,try to understand it instead of trolling the forums.<hr></blockquote>

Suuuure, but how do I know if it´s real?

You could tell me anything. Fairy tales!

How can I be sure it was done? By your word? Don´t make me laugh!

If your as reliable as your price guide, this must be a joke. But not particularly funny at all.

FeelGood · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by FTL:


Serious is the attitude towards a goal I'm trying WITH Shawn to achieve.<hr></blockquote>

don't hurt yourself there... You might pop a vessel if you watch the prices too close.

Mike · May 10, 2002

Ok, I lied about my last post. Sue me.

FTL,

We all know that Metal Slug 1 U.S. probably will not sell for any less than $1,500, right? So why not let that be the standard?

Why try to control what can't be controlled?

It is impossible to keep a lid on what people will spend, or how much something is worth.

The only way to do that is if you are the maker of the game, in that case you provide an MSRP.
(manufacter's suggested retail price)

Since we are not the makers of these games, we have no right to apply an MSRP.

It is possible however to keep it above a certain price or "guide to helping" the purchaser and the seller reach a fair and unbiased price for a cart.

biased is this: just because Bill Gates wanted to spend $4,000 on U.S. Kizuna doesn't mean that I have to0..... (but I still want the game damn it!)

By listing games in the way that I described (see above) it will provide an unbiased way to making sure that everyone knows that there is a fine line between what is being paid and what should be paid is

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Mike ]

Shino · May 10, 2002

I have to say,
the Price Range is a great idea,
Give the seller and buyer some room to adjust.
Since there is a big price difference betweetn a mint and a poor copy of a game, a price range would be flexable instead of a Exact price amout on the game.
I would support the Price Range on Neo games.

BTW: Simone, I think that US King of Fighters 98 on the price guide, seems very High for a common game at $160-175 range. It has been sold in the forum and ebay ranges from $102- 120.

FeelGood · May 10, 2002

price range?

I'd love a price range beased on the conditions of the carts. I hate paying the "market price" for a cart that's no where close to mint.

For example: Metal Slug 1 "good" condition = $900.

Mike · May 10, 2002

I would be happy to help you implement a PRICE RANGE FTL.

It seems like most people would be happier about a PRICE RANGE rather than a PRICE GUIDE.

Shoot it over to Shawn and see what he thinks-

Mike · May 10, 2002

ONE MORE THING!!

If you structure a PRICE RANGE, it will be much easier to establish the rarity of games.

Especially without the laughable (sorry Shawn, but it is) EE2.

A price range can also make use of a rarity range.

Under $50 - Common

Between $50 and $100 - Common

Above $1,500 - Extremely Rare

Plus it would be easier on the eyes...

FTL · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by Shino:
I have to say,
the Price Range is a great idea,
Give the seller and buyer some room to adjust.
Since there is a big price difference betweetn a mint and a poor copy of a game, a price range would be flexable instead of a Exact price amout on the game.
I would support the Price Range on Neo games.

BTW: Simone, I think that US King of Fighters 98 on the price guide, seems very High for a common game at $160-175 range. It has been sold in the forum and ebay ranges from $102- 120.<hr></blockquote>

Yes Shino,I agree with you.

Kof 98 is the exception for the rule I said above.

The US kof 98 is more cheap than the jap counterpart.
Infact a lot of kof 98 US flooded the ebay market lately.
Will be fixed as well tomorrow,late night here in Italy.

Mike,me and Shawn, will work on your suggestions .

Narkoleptx · May 10, 2002

Shiat, are we talking about the same RB2 that I bought from you and then sold back to you a couple of months later? Ah, the good old days...<hr></blockquote>

Hey Kale!

That is the ONE! I'm glad you sold it back to me, I regretted selling it immediately after I sent it to you!

How's that collection looking anyway? I hope you've been doing well, I haven't heard from you in forever!

- Kyle

Narkoleptx · May 10, 2002

FTL,

Thanks for the insight, It's good to see where you're coming from on the prices and I appreciate you taking the time to explain!

- Kyle

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Narkoleptx ]

FTL · May 10, 2002

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
price range?

I'd love a price range beased on the conditions of the carts. I hate paying the "market price" for a cart that's no where close to mint.

For example: Metal Slug 1 "good" condition = $900.<hr></blockquote>

Evilwasabi is for sure more a collector than a player when he reasons like that.
Better,he is acting not to be screwed.

Fact is that a poor condition Metal slug 1 is worth ZERO for many collectors.

Condition of the carts counts a lot.

Metal slug 1 US can be gotten for $900 or 2500+ as we know.
Who got the bargain on it?
It depends: I wouldn't pay $900 for a poor condition MS 1 US but I would pay more for a near mint condition slug 1.

That's a point to think about,since a ripped insert does look bad in the eyes and in the shelf of a neogeo collector.

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