PRICE GUIDE IMPROVING AGAIN and UNBIASED as always.Com'on express yourself to help us

FTL

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Some quotations on the price guide will be updated,following recent ebay auctions AND private sales.
(Just to name few,jap GAN GAN,Gowcaizer US and some others).

As far as criticisms about the guide pumping up the price,that's must be a blind comment:

check out the jap price guide and you will see almost every game has REALISTIC quotation and often lower than some selling prices put by retailers.

As for the US-Euro price guide,it just must be backed up that english version of neo geo home carts are:

-more difficult to find
-less copies made compared to jap counterparts
-as a general rule,confirmed from private sales and auctions,english carts fetch higher prices.

Looking at those FACTS,an UNBIASED guide must take note of that.

Regarding Kizuna and U 11 euro,real offers for Kizuna were MUCH high but it is listed without any quotation.
We will be putting a clear "not for sale" only mark.

Ultimate 11 is in my long experience little less rare than Kizuna,but still it has great value,well more than a Metal slug 1 for example.
Last offers for U 11 euro were around $2500-3000 but of course it could be worth easily more if we look at a metal Slug 1 for $2800.

Of course,you can find U 11 or whichever home cart for $50 if your lucky and you get it from an ignorant seller.

BUT,a big but,YEARS of neo geo experience (from me and Shawn whom I reckon one of the most expert collector with few others) DO count a lot:
Kizuna and U 11 are without doubt ULTRA rare and worth a lot,never minding about whining and moaning of children.

On japanese side,carts like Chibi quiz,Turfmaster are really rare,Maruko being really rare.

Bottom line: you can get a Maruko or Kizuna or U 11 for $50.
When you will resell it you will get for sure another amount.

You get where the thruth is.

Thanks for all who supported my work with suggestions and advices,like galford,Buster B,Charlie,Fran Brandi and all others,REALLY too many to name.

Special thanks to Enrico Pallazzo.
 
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Jesus! What an improvement!
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BRANDI

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Hey Steven, considering your special rank, it seems like now you're the biggest 'price guide' fan!
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just kiddin' :rolleyes:

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I am wondering who of the "MODMINS" gave me this fucking rank! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />
 

Tarma

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I think you're doing a great job Simone. :)

I think more restraint should be shown though, regarding ebay auctions. Because one particular title, like US MS2, goes for an abnormal price does not mean that the next MS2 will go for the same.

Kenny's auction was just a blip, it should not affect the price guide. Now if four or five US MS2's went on ebay and fetched the same money then that is clearly the price people are willing to pay.

To my knowledge no other MS2 carts have come anywhere near the $1,500 or so that he recieved from that sale.

I would say that taking avaerage auction values over either a three or six month period of carts would be a beter and more credible way or monitoring and reporting ebay's influence on cart values. :)

BTW - please change the 2 known copies thing for Kizuna. ;)
 
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Originally posted by Tarma:
<strong>I think you're doing a great job Simone. :)

I think more restraint should be shown though, regarding ebay auctions. Because one particular title, like US MS2, goes for an abnormal price does not mean that the next MS2 will go for the same.

Kenny's auction was just a blip, it should not affect the price guide. Now if four or five US MS2's went on ebay and fetched the same money then that is clearly the price people are willing to pay.

To my knowledge no other MS2 carts have come anywhere near the $1,500 or so that he recieved from that sale.

I would say that taking avaerage auction values over either a three or six month period of carts would be a beter and more credible way or monitoring and reporting ebay's influence on cart values. :)

BTW - please change the 2 known copies thing for Kizuna. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

You forgot that it was an ebay auction! According to Simone Ebay auctions do affect the Price Guide!

Or did I get something wrong?!
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all I'll say is that I hate the price of Jpn Metal Slug.

I remember when I saw it go that high the first time.

16 bit was selling it for an exorbitant amount, like 1800. Maybe he wasn't really even making a profit on it, who knows. Yahoo japan had the same cart for 1000. I told Tonk I'd get it for him for cheap off Yahoo Jpn (1000 + my dailinin's margin), but he wouldn't wait. He had to get it from 16-Bit. Man. Then and there it made a nice jump. It was sad really. But I guess in some cases you should be careful on how you calculate the prices in the guide. I think Tonk would rather deal with 16 bit, who is a reliable and trustworthy salesman, and will pay a lot more for his services. And a lot of buyers will pay more just to deal with a certain seller.
 

Tarma

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Originally posted by the_move:
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You forgot that it was an ebay auction! According to Simone Ebay auctions do affect the Price Guide!

Or did I get something wrong?!
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I love those custom gremlins Steven! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

Well, if it's true, I think letting ONE ebay auction affect the price guide is just plain dumb. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

Christ, I could sell 2020 Baseball for $2,500 on ebay - doesn't mean the cart is worth that much and I certainly wouldn't expect the price guide to change off that one auction. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />
 

FTL

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Of course the_move TOTALLY misunderstood the way the price guide is updated.

Ebay auctions AND private sales hold relevance but NOT one auctions.

FACTS:
Kenny sold MS 2 US on Ebay for $1125
Bmoc won it on ebay for $925
Laurent just sold MS 2 US for $1000
Last copy of Slug 2 I got ,I paid $550.

In the guide there is an AVERAGE quotation.

Clear enough I guess.
 
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Originally posted by FTL:
<strong>Of course the_move TOTALLY misunderstood the way the price guide is updated.

Ebay auctions AND private sales hold relevance but NOT one auctions.

FACTS:
Kenny sold MS 2 US on Ebay for $1125
Bmoc won it on ebay for $925
Laurent just sold MS 2 US for $1000
Last copy of Slug 2 I got ,I paid $550.

In the guide there is an AVERAGE quotation.

Clear enough I guess.</strong><hr></blockquote>


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Again clear enough, I guess!
 

Wolf

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That custom avatar is TOPS!

Enjoy Steven
 

Winston Goh

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Why not have a section for price of brand new cart?? Benefit both seller and buyer of new cart :)
 

Tarma

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Originally posted by FTL:
<strong>Of course the_move TOTALLY misunderstood the way the price guide is updated.

Ebay auctions AND private sales hold relevance but NOT one auctions.

FACTS:
Kenny sold MS 2 US on Ebay for $1125
Bmoc won it on ebay for $925
Laurent just sold MS 2 US for $1000
Last copy of Slug 2 I got ,I paid $550.

In the guide there is an AVERAGE quotation.

Clear enough I guess.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's fair enough, but, I don't think you call an average from just 4 sales. Besides your example almost illustrates the point in hand - you paid $550... Barry was mad on getting a Slug collection very quickly and so made sure he won by bidding until he was guaranteed the cart; Laurent is a top seller, but a lot of his US stuff is expensive...

After Kenny's auction a lot of people put MS2 up for auction and the price was only hovering around the $500 - $600 mark. I disagree that $900 is the true average value of that cart.

Your work is good Simone, but I feel you need to update and review over a period, not a weekly basis - that does not give a fair reflection of the market by any means.

How much of ebay are you reviewing? Just US and Europe or other places like the Far East?

I think a quarterly revision with analysis of each quarters sales will provide a crystal clear and fair picture of the market. Anything less is folley.
 

FTL

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Originally posted by Tarma:
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I disagree that $900 is the true average value of that cart.

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Where do you read that?

The guide is correct,listing $550 min,700 max and the sales monitored are more than few I listed.
 

Tarma

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Of the four examples you gave the average value is $900.

I apologise if I misinterpreted your statement, but it read as if you had calculated the value off just these four sales.

Anyways, lets forget about MS2 US for now, how about my quarterly review suggestion? <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />
 

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Not Guide related, but FTL, I sent you a PM a while back about a Turfmasters kit. Did you ever get it?
 
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Originally posted by FTL:
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As for the US-Euro price guide,it just must be backed up that english version of neo geo home carts are:

-more difficult to find
-less copies made compared to jap counterparts
-as a general rule,confirmed from private sales and auctions,english carts fetch higher prices.

QB]<hr></blockquote>

-more difficult to find??...that's not a reason to give them more value!!

- less US copies? That's not true! Nearly all games were made 1:1 / US:Jap. The only fact which makes the difference, is not the number of produced copies, no, it's the number of unknown US neogeo collectors from the past which put their games in boxes or trashed it. In Japan you could find nearly every game because the community of neogeo collectors is bigger and they care much more about their carts!

-a general rule?? .....zzzzz, Only a few US carts sales higher than japanese! Take a lokk at ebay, and you'll see that the common/uncommon Jap. games sale higher than the equal US titels.


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Adol

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Wow,you dare to still post,you biggest THIEF&CROOK of all Europe? Why don't you tell me where is my $450 system i'm still waiting for FOURS MONTHS,more than ONE HUNDRED DAYS!!!

shawn&me are still waiting your damn tracking number!
Where is it?

Common,have balls for 1 day in your life,and dare to say you were honest,and you sleep well at night!
 
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