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Retaliator · Feb 23, 2003

... the freaky KoF `00 US?

Not to start a flame war again about our beloved duo but seriously - it`s at least a 50% ... 60% ... 70% ... 80% ? ORIGINAL US AES cart and therefore belongs to a complete collection. Or not? I don`t have it (anymore) - sold it time ago because I didn`t want freaky stuff polluting my collection but meanwhile ... don`t know, feel like I have to get it again. Opinions?

BIG · Feb 23, 2003

You shouldn't care about what people think.If you can do without it,fine.If you want to complete your collection,I'd say go for it.Then again,this is MY opinion.Collectors and hardcore members might have a different opinion on this,though.

Shito · Feb 23, 2003

Just switch to JPN collection!

glee

buster_broon · Feb 23, 2003

Shito:
Just switch to JPN collection! glee

agreed 100 percent

SSS · Feb 23, 2003

A complete english collection does not include KOF 2000. (at least in my mind)

[ February 23, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: SamuraiShodownSensei ]

skam · Feb 23, 2003

if you really want all your spines to match then just buy a japanese kof2k and get a US style insert printed up to swap with the japanese one. which you'll keep in a safe place, of course

Lastblade · Feb 23, 2003

I have all KOFs (except 2002) and they are all English (US) versions, with the lone exception of 2000 version.

Personally, I don't care. But that's me

bulletnyourass · Feb 23, 2003

Well, it was proven that the NGF KOF 2000 US is legit. Playmore took them to court and this held up. So, no collection would be complete without it. Sometimes....SOMETIMES.... you just have to give the devil his due. This is not to start a flame war. Just a fact that has finally been proven. If you buy a JP version and switch the insert for a US copied insert you still won't have a COMPLETE collection. Just my .02 cents, so don't gang up on me guys! buttrock

[ February 23, 2003, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: Bulletnyourass ]

Frame Gride · Feb 23, 2003

get the kof '00 jap version. I would never buy a "freaked" product no matter how legit it is.

SNKJorge · Feb 23, 2003

Frame Gride:
get the kof '00 jap version. I would never buy a "freaked" product no matter how legit it is.

Ditto.

PESTILENT · Feb 23, 2003

As far as I'm concerned the JP version of '00 is the only legite one.
SNK might have made a deal with the duo for the english version, but SNK did not sell them that game with the NGF url plastered all over it.
Its a homebrew insert.
I treat KOF 00 as a JP only release.

Galford Forever · Feb 24, 2003

This topic seems to come up a lot

.

Here's the scoop... yes, NGF was sent the entire stock of US Kof 2000s. That's true from what I understand. The KOF 2000 that NGF is selling now is not the official US version however. They replaced (threw away

????) the insert and replaced it with their own NGF-approved :rolleyes:

version. The manual may have been changed as well.

So while a US KOF 2000 does exist, it doesn't seem possible that you will be able to buy it from NGF or elsewhere.

Others can explain this in more detail, but this is just what I've come to understand.

Shito · Feb 24, 2003

SamuraiShodownSensei:
A complete english collection does not include KOF 2000. (at least in my mind)

A complete english collection do is an oximore. (at least in my mind) annoyed

Kpj · Feb 24, 2003

I, for one, like my US KOF 2000.

It has a SMALL URL on the back of the insert. It doesn't bother me. I only collect US carts, so this was my only choice.

Even if a yeti in the side of a cliff of New Zealand made it, I would have still put it in my collection.

Very high quality. I (although I haven't examined it anally with a microscope) feel it is very close, if not, the same quality as official releases/!Arcade!'s conversions.

If you don't get caught up in all of the flame wars concerning the origin of this release, then, by all means, buy it.

Wan-Fu · Feb 24, 2003

Assuming that you are looking for a 100% SNK made product, then the answer would be no.

The quality of the artwork is irrelevant.

Retaliator · Feb 24, 2003

"Get the kof '00 jap version."

I have it already.

"Just switch to JPN collection!"

Can`t ... This path has to be followed to the end :cool:

"Very high quality. I (although I haven't examined it anally with a microscope) feel it is very close, if not, the same quality as official releases/!Arcade!'s conversions."

I know since I had a copy already some time ago. Quality is definitely top notch, same as SNK standard and better than Arcade`s conversions.

"Assuming that you are looking for a 100% SNK made product, then the answer would be no."

Well, let´s look at it that way: If you want to collect something there are made say 7.5 different items for, then your collection is not complete when you have 7 is it? If there`s something authentic - say n percent - within KoF ´00 US then imo it`s worth adding to the collection even if that means that you have to put up with (1-n) fake per cent coming with that n authentic per cent to put it mathematically. wink

Anyway thanks for the advice so far guys - I think I`ll be looking for it in the near future again.

[ February 24, 2003, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: Retaliator ]

Giby · Feb 24, 2003

Get whatever the hell makes you happy, as for me I can care less for anything that came from ngf.

mog · Feb 24, 2003

Bulletnyourass:
Well, it was proven that the NGF KOF 2000 US is legit. Playmore took them to court and this held up. So, no collection would be complete without it. Sometimes....SOMETIMES.... you just have to give the devil his due. This is not to start a flame war. Just a fact that has finally been proven. If you buy a JP version and switch the insert for a US copied insert you still won't have a COMPLETE collection. Just my .02 cents, so don't gang up on me guys! buttrock

Playmore being denied the injunction does not equate to it being legit. That's just NGF propaganda.

Kpj · Feb 24, 2003

Wan-Fu:
Assuming that you are looking for a 100% SNK made product, then the answer would be no.

The quality of the artwork is irrelevant.

I didn't mean the quality of the art work.

I am referring to the quality of the paper, ink, sticker, etc...

This was NOT made on an inkjet, nor a good laser printer. This is of high/professional quality of a print house, etc...

bulletnyourass · Feb 25, 2003

mog:

Bulletnyourass:
Well, it was proven that the NGF KOF 2000 US is legit. Playmore took them to court and this held up. So, no collection would be complete without it. Sometimes....SOMETIMES.... you just have to give the devil his due. This is not to start a flame war. Just a fact that has finally been proven. If you buy a JP version and switch the insert for a US copied insert you still won't have a COMPLETE collection. Just my .02 cents, so don't gang up on me guys! buttrock

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Playmore being denied the injunction does not equate to it being legit. That's just NGF propaganda.

Everything else that was illegitimate was pulled from them yet they still are allowed to sell the remaining 6 copies of this game. Although I would not pay the $900 asking price, if it was as illegitimate as the stock with "corrected" inserts it would have been pulled also. I myself support the NEO GEO SYSTEM and Community. I like playing, as well as Collecting US/Euro Home Carts. The game was/is considered to be legit. I am not a NGF Fanboy. Just a guy who as an adult can afford to play on the system he couldn't afford as a kid. I can't justify not buying a game strictly because of the unpopularity of the 2 people selling it. Just my opinion.

P.S. I've bought from a number of people here. Some of them are very unpopular with the other members but they have all been admiral sellers/buyers.

PESTILENT · Feb 25, 2003

Bulletnyourass:

mog:

Bulletnyourass:
Well, it was proven that the NGF KOF 2000 US is legit. Playmore took them to court and this held up. So, no collection would be complete without it. Sometimes....SOMETIMES.... you just have to give the devil his due. This is not to start a flame war. Just a fact that has finally been proven. If you buy a JP version and switch the insert for a US copied insert you still won't have a COMPLETE collection. Just my .02 cents, so don't gang up on me guys! buttrock

Click to expand...

Playmore being denied the injunction does not equate to it being legit. That's just NGF propaganda.

Click to expand...

Everything else that was illegitimate was pulled from them yet they still are allowed to sell the remaining 6 copies of this game. Although I would not pay the $900 asking price, if it was as illegitimate as the stock with "corrected" inserts it would have been pulled also. I myself support the NEO GEO SYSTEM and Community. I like playing, as well as Collecting US/Euro Home Carts. The game was/is considered to be legit. I am not a NGF Fanboy. Just a guy who as an adult can afford to play on the system he couldn't afford as a kid. I can't justify not buying a game strictly because of the unpopularity of the 2 people selling it. Just my opinion.

P.S. I've bought from a number of people here. Some of them are very unpopular with the other members but they have all been admiral sellers/buyers.

Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but didn't playmore confiscate their KOF 00 inserts?
I was assuming the 6 copies they were still allowed to sell were probably original JP ones, but I'm only guessing on that.

Retaliator · Feb 25, 2003

Hmmm ... meanwhile some questions arose within me:

1. If I remember well, once there were rumours about some NON-FREAKED US KoF `00 existing (maybe in their personal collections maybe on the shelves on the ultra hyper freaks or whatever). Did such a copy ever surface anywhere?

2. What ever happenend with the original inserts + manuals (covers). Did Playmore confiscate them? Were they destroyed? I`m somehow sure they did not do that.

bulletnyourass · Feb 25, 2003

From my understanding ( and I'm not an expert on this), Playmore recognized the agreement between NGF and SNK for the release of US KOF2000. When I had my wanted thread up for this game (before it was illegal to post for it here) I received the following email to my personal email account:

We only have 6 copies in stock (plus our 2 personal copies). We held back one 6 pack box for future sales and this timing is perfect.

When we went to court we showed our documents, contracts, and receipts from our direct dealings with SNK Corp. of Japan. When our evidence was presented, the US District Court judge denied Playmore's preliminary injunction for a restraining order. The judge, along with Playmore and SNK, based on our documents and a signed declaration from SNK that they submitted via their attorney and Playmore, did not contest our authorization and agreements for such games as the English KoF2000 that we had exclusive deals with (with our NeoGeoFreak URL).

The judge and Playmore recognized our agreements for the repackaging of game inserts from NeoGeoFreak. For the time being the judge made the decision and
order that we not repackage any further games until we can settle everything. The English KoF2000 (exclusively from NeoGeoFreak with our URL) is allowed
because of the full disclosure and agreements that Playmore and SNK, under oath, submitted. So from now on the English KoF2000 is no longer an issue and is no
longer a question. It has now been authorized, validated, and entered into court records as being 100% official.

If you want a copy let me know and I can work out a deal for you. Are you interested in lots of other NEW games?

thank you,
Dion
<a href="http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com" target="_blank">www.NeoGeoFreak.com</a>

Followed by this email:

The going rate is $900 or so. What will you offer? Be fair and reasonable.
And remember, we only have 6 new copies left.

We also have one used copy that we got in a few months back. The used copy is in Mint condition as well and the previous owner said he only played it once.

thank you,
Dion
<a href="http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com" target="_blank">www.NeoGeoFreak.com</a>

FTL · Feb 25, 2003

Bulletnyourass:
From my understanding ( and I'm not an expert on this), Playmore recognized the agreement between NGF and SNK for the release of US KOF2000. When I had my wanted thread up for this game (before it was illegal to post for it here) I received the following email to my personal email account:

We only have 6 copies in stock (plus our 2 personal copies). We held back one 6 pack box for future sales and this timing is perfect.

When we went to court we showed our documents, contracts, and receipts from our direct dealings with SNK Corp. of Japan. When our evidence was presented, the US District Court judge denied Playmore's preliminary injunction for a restraining order. The judge, along with Playmore and SNK, based on our documents and a signed declaration from SNK that they submitted via their attorney and Playmore, did not contest our authorization and agreements for such games as the English KoF2000 that we had exclusive deals with (with our NeoGeoFreak URL).

The judge and Playmore recognized our agreements for the repackaging of game inserts from NeoGeoFreak. For the time being the judge made the decision and
order that we not repackage any further games until we can settle everything. The English KoF2000 (exclusively from NeoGeoFreak with our URL) is allowed
because of the full disclosure and agreements that Playmore and SNK, under oath, submitted. So from now on the English KoF2000 is no longer an issue and is no
longer a question. It has now been authorized, validated, and entered into court records as being 100% official.

If you want a copy let me know and I can work out a deal for you. Are you interested in lots of other NEW games?

thank you,
Dion
<a href="http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com" target="_blank">www.NeoGeoFreak.com</a>

Followed by this email:

The going rate is $900 or so. What will you offer? Be fair and reasonable.
And remember, we only have 6 new copies left.

We also have one used copy that we got in a few months back. The used copy is in Mint condition as well and the previous owner said he only played it once.

thank you,
Dion
<a href="http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com" target="_blank">www.NeoGeoFreak.com</a>

I can't believe what I read.

$900.
only 6 in stock(!!).

They could do as many as they need.

Galford Forever · Feb 25, 2003

Bulletnyourass:
From my understanding ( and I'm not an expert on this), Playmore recognized the agreement between NGF and SNK for the release of US KOF2000. When I had my wanted thread up for this game (before it was illegal to post for it here) I received the following email to my personal email account:

We only have 6 copies in stock (plus our 2 personal copies). We held back one 6 pack box for future sales and this timing is perfect.

When we went to court we showed our documents, contracts, and receipts from our direct dealings with SNK Corp. of Japan. When our evidence was presented, the US District Court judge denied Playmore's preliminary injunction for a restraining order. The judge, along with Playmore and SNK, based on our documents and a signed declaration from SNK that they submitted via their attorney and Playmore, did not contest our authorization and agreements for such games as the English KoF2000 that we had exclusive deals with (with our NeoGeoFreak URL).

The judge and Playmore recognized our agreements for the repackaging of game inserts from NeoGeoFreak. For the time being the judge made the decision and
order that we not repackage any further games until we can settle everything. The English KoF2000 (exclusively from NeoGeoFreak with our URL) is allowed
because of the full disclosure and agreements that Playmore and SNK, under oath, submitted. So from now on the English KoF2000 is no longer an issue and is no
longer a question. It has now been authorized, validated, and entered into court records as being 100% official.

If you want a copy let me know and I can work out a deal for you. Are you interested in lots of other NEW games?

thank you,
Dion
<a href="http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com" target="_blank">www.NeoGeoFreak.com</a>

Followed by this email:

The going rate is $900 or so. What will you offer? Be fair and reasonable.
And remember, we only have 6 new copies left.

We also have one used copy that we got in a few months back. The used copy is in Mint condition as well and the previous owner said he only played it once.

thank you,
Dion
<a href="http://www.NeoGeoFreak.com" target="_blank">www.NeoGeoFreak.com</a>

There's always half-truths laced with lies in everything I've seen from Dion. I'm sure some of what he's said here is true. But I think much of it has been spun around and is a wonderful retelling of the truth from Dion's viewpoint. Either way you look at it, KOF2000 NGF is not an SNK product anymore. It is not the way that SNK made it and is not complete with all the items that it had when it left SNK's headquarters. And as FTL pointed out, don't believe the "only 6 left". I'm sure they have quite a bit left and can easily make as many as they need -- we've seen plenty of proof of other bootlegs they've made.

You may have been in the clear legally on this point, but I think that Playmore will get you for many of the other things you've done. If you've done nothing wrong, why hide?? Why change the website to protect yourself??

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