Question regarding this English Kizuna Encounter

BIG BEAR · Feb 14, 2003

Why are the artworks for the JAP insert and the English insert identical??
This is just an observation..
From Fatal Fury to the current there has always been some differences between JAP and English..
Can somebbody help me here??
What other inserts share the same insert artwork,back and front where the only thing different is the script??
Please observe Jennety's Kizuna in the selling forum and that newcomer from Germany's pics.
Even Playmore uses different back cover artwork..
-BB

<small>[ February 14, 2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]</small>

Nick Goracke · Feb 14, 2003

BIG BEAR:
Why are the artworks for the JAP insert and the English insert identical??
This is just an observation..
From Fatal Fury to the current there has always been some differences between JAP and English..
Can somebbody help me here??
What other inserts share the same insert artwork,back and front where the only thing different is the script??
Please observe Jennety's Kizuna in the selling forum and that newcomer from Germany's pics.
Even Playmore uses different back cover artwork..
-BB

I don't have them side by side for comparison, but aren't all the King of Fighters (95-99), for example, identical with the exception of the grey/black/red boxes on the US inserts? Garou?

Just looking at <a href="http://www.vgmuseum.com" target="_blank">www.vgmuseum.com</a> you can find a few. Or am I misunderstanding the question?

Herzog Drei · Feb 14, 2003

Sorry,but the insert simply DOES look like that.
As already mentioned,KIZUNA was a rather careless release-maybe SNK simply didn't bother.

BIG BEAR · Feb 14, 2003

There were photoshop subtle changes made to the rear of the insert.The two characters on the rear of the insert are swapped along with the caption of the game and the field was enlarged to fill up the bottom portion.
This is not representative of an SNK english style insert.
When SNK makes changes to an insert they are anything but subtle...The track record demonstrates this..
-BB

BIG BEAR · Feb 14, 2003

Herzog Drei:
Sorry,but the insert simply DOES look like that.
As already mentioned,KIZUNA was a rather careless release-maybe SNK simply didn't bother.

No...something is terribly wrong here..the story behind the recall,etc..it all SMELLS!
-BB

garou_d · Feb 14, 2003

what you mean ?

EURO KIZUNA fake ?!

Robert Wallace · Feb 14, 2003

Here is the US Kizuna:

<img src="http://home.attbi.com/~robert.wallace/Kizuna.jpg" alt=" - " />

Here is the one Jennety is selling: Japanese Kizuna:

<img src="http://home.attbi.com/~robert.wallace/fuuntag.jpg" alt=" - " />

Atro · Feb 14, 2003

Real Bout FF. shares the same artwork.

Shawn haven't complained about this issue BB, don't youu think he should be the first to confirm and argue that ? smirk

BIG BEAR · Feb 14, 2003

garou_d:
what you mean ?

EURO KIZUNA fake ?!

I have strong reason to believe this...Just do your research on insert style of SNK.
SNK did leave some insert identical to their Japanese counterpart but when they made art changes they were anything but subtle like you see with the supposed Euro Kizuna.
I have a KOF 95 english and I compared it with the JAP counterpart. The inserts have identical artwork..everything from what I can tell is in the same place. Even even the white area at the base of the insert remains...
yet on Kizuna the artwork field fills up the field toward the bottom.
-BB

Atro · Feb 14, 2003

BIG BEAR:

Herzog Drei:
Sorry,but the insert simply DOES look like that.
As already mentioned,KIZUNA was a rather careless release-maybe SNK simply didn't bother.

Click to expand...

No...something is terribly wrong here..the story behind the recall,etc..it all SMELLS!
-BB

Don't worry! Just take a look at the Jap Samurai Shodown IV insert and the US one.

The diferences are like these two diferent versions of Kizunas. Same artwork with some minor diferences on the back and on the layout.

Typically SNK ! smirk tickled

evil wasabi · Feb 14, 2003

i bet kizuna euro is bullshit lie.

its so stupid. i bet since its 'worth' so damn much that no one has bothered opening the cart to check.

BIG BEAR · Feb 14, 2003

Atrophyed:

BIG BEAR:

Herzog Drei:
Sorry,but the insert simply DOES look like that.
As already mentioned,KIZUNA was a rather careless release-maybe SNK simply didn't bother.

Click to expand...

No...something is terribly wrong here..the story behind the recall,etc..it all SMELLS!
-BB

Click to expand...

Don't worry! Just take a look at the Jap Samurai Shodown IV insert and the US one.

The diferences are like these two diferent versions of Kizunas. Same artwork with some minor diferences on the back and on the layout.

Typically SNK ! smirk tickled

I am in possession of a US insert and I have viewed the JAP one.. They are noticeably different..
The Kizuna changes are so subtle that they are deceptive..and generic.
There is something terribly wrong here...If you just study the insert styles and patterns of all inserts..
you'd be suspicious as well.
-BB

BIG BEAR · Feb 14, 2003

sonic1687:
i bet kizuna euro is bullshit lie.

its so stupid. i bet since its 'worth' so damn much that no one has bothered opening the cart to check.

I am not questioning the authenticity of the hardware.The documentation is what i question because counterfeiting of NGH documentation surfaced back in 96'
I know 1st hand and that stuff was PASSED as legit!! I am not just babbling here.. I had stuff in my possession in 96' and you could not tell the difference...the whole mentality of counterfeiting never crossed peoples minds during those times..
An "insert repro master existed",I could'nt tell who it was though...but he did exist.
-BB

The Auction Sniper · Feb 14, 2003

Well I suppose the artists don't always want to make a unique artwork for every game I suppose....

Herzog Drei · Feb 14, 2003

BIG BEAR:

sonic1687:
i bet kizuna euro is bullshit lie.

its so stupid. i bet since its 'worth' so damn much that no one has bothered opening the cart to check.

Click to expand...

I am not questioning the authenticity of the hardware.The documentation is what i question because counterfeiting of NGH documentation surfaced back in 96'
I know 1st hand and that stuff was PASSED as legit!! I am not just babbling here.. I had stuff in my possession in 96' and you could not tell the difference...the whole mentality of counterfeiting never crossed peoples minds during those times..
An "insert repro master existed",I could'nt tell who it was though...but he did exist.
-BB

What stuff?
For which game(s)??

Do you think MARO made their own 'US' inserts back in 96??

BIG BEAR · Feb 15, 2003

Was also wondering who could tell me what other english insert(s) have a double title name on the front cover???
The top right on the front of the english insert..
stating Kizuna Encounter. Why would this particular insert be unique?
hmmmm...
-BB

TheBigBB · Feb 15, 2003

BIG BEAR:
Was also wondering who could tell me what other english insert(s) have a double title name on the front cover???
The top right on the front of the english insert..
stating Kizuna Encounter. Why would this particular insert be unique?
hmmmm...
-BB

You're right, the name in the top right corner is very suspicious looking!

FTL · Feb 15, 2003

BIG BEAR:
Why are the artworks for the JAP insert and the English insert identical??
This is just an observation..
From Fatal Fury to the current there has always been some differences between JAP and English..
Can somebbody help me here??
What other inserts share the same insert artwork,back and front where the only thing different is the script??
Please observe Jennety's Kizuna in the selling forum and that newcomer from Germany's pics.
Even Playmore uses different back cover artwork..
-BB

Almost all newer releases after 95-96 use same art work on front and back of the insert.
Take a look at real bout special,maro of the wolves,art of fighting 3.
The Kizuna encounter is legit(speaking of a legit release) without doubt.
As said it is a 96 game;that was a particular year for the neo geo and too many hot titles came out to be bought by gamers.
Some like Kizuna were of course called back leaving few copies around.
Same goes for U 11 US,which by the way has same insert art as the jap one,one again.

Herzog Drei · Feb 15, 2003

BIG BEAR:
Was also wondering who could tell me what other english insert(s) have a double title name on the front cover???
The top right on the front of the english insert..
stating Kizuna Encounter. Why would this particular insert be unique?
hmmmm...
-BB

Bear,dont make yourself crazy.
We bought this game back in 96 like all the others before and after-and from a source that never tampered with the 'documentation' or anything else!
Neither MARO nor POWERPLAY would do such a thing.
Especially not on a title that back then simply nobody bothered to buy!

The only instance when german/austrian shops made (additional!) stuff on their own were translated instructions for the jpn. ADVANCED MILLITARY COMMANDER or the LANGRISSER games,or move-sheets for KILLER INSTINCT or BLODY ROAR.
And these consisted of simple,photocopied pages.

IF they made something on their own,they stressed the fact that it was an ADDITIONAL service in their advertising.
Nobody ever tried to pass his own stuff as 'real' or 'original'! smirk

Retaliator · Feb 15, 2003

True that. Kizuna Euro is 100% legit. It was sold here in Germany like every other game back in `96.

BIG BEAR · Feb 15, 2003

Nah,I am not making myself crazy @ all.
I won't be surprised when more start to surface due to that rediculous price guide system..
This would'nt even be an issue if that value system that is in place did'nt serve as a guide for bootleggers and counterfeiters and dishonest sellers.
Does the price guide do more harm than good???
I would state when you see the advertising
15000-16000 for a suspect english Kizuna Encounter
The answer would have to be YES
Everybody that claims it's legit have no proof..I know that the design/style of the english insert is not consistent with how SNK would noramlly do it and I know for a fact that artwork counterfeiting surfaced with English Samurai IV & Ninja Masters back in 96'
If the game is infact legit,by all means the person selling it should be able to fetch as much as he can BUT unless the owners of this english title are sleeping in a cave,more copies should have circulated throughout the past 7 years...
-BB

tsukaesugi · Feb 15, 2003

BIG BEAR:
Nah,I am not making myself crazy @ all.
I won't be surprised when more start to surface due to that rediculous price guide system..
This would'nt even be an issue if that value system that is in place did'nt serve as a guide for bootleggers and counterfeiters and dishonest sellers.
Does the price guide do more harm than good???
I would state when you see the advertising
15000-16000 for a suspect english Kizuna Encounter
The answer would have to be YES
Everybody that claims it's legit have no proof..I know that the design/style of the english insert is not consistent with how SNK would noramlly do it and I know for a fact that artwork counterfeiting surfaced with English Samurai IV & Ninja Masters back in 96'
If the game is infact legit,by all means the person selling it should be able to fetch as much as he can BUT unless the owners of this english title are sleeping in a cave,more copies should have circulated throughout the past 7 years...
-BB

Theoretically, some of the less scrupulous collectors could be keeping quiet about owning a copy in the hopes that this would drive the prices up.

SAMHAIN claimed to have a copy awhile ago, but I'm not sure if he was joking or not.

Herzog Drei · Feb 15, 2003

Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
"Everybody that claims it's legit have no proof..."

spock

I got mine at the time of it's release-BRAND NEW-and the source was the official NEO-distributor (at that time) in Germany.Which means,i got it as directly from SNK as possible.
Thats as much proof as any buyer can wish for!

On the contrary,the 'facts' that you don't like the cover and have 'terribly wrong' feelings is not much of a proof IMHO...

If you can answer WHO should make so much work back in 96 and WHY,then at least that would be something.

Geddon_jt · Feb 15, 2003

Respectfully, Big Bear, I think that most owners of this game *have* been sleeping in a cave the past 7 years. (in other words, most people who have this game probably have never heard of this site and probably do not participate in the neo geo community).

You might recall back in late 98 when the information about this game was first revealed. This was back when the DHP was in its heyday. A fellow in Europe posted insert scans of Kizuna Encounter, Ultimate 11 and Puzzled english, which just about every US collector until then swore didnt exist. Even Chris Ray said "I would have bet my whole collection that those games didn't exist in English". Around that time I remember Adol in France selling a few copies of Euro Ultimate 11 (one with no manual) to relatively little interest...

There should be no doubt though that these games are legit. Even some games released here in the states only pop up once every few years or so because most of the people that own them arent involved in the neo community (ie, Slug 2 US, Stakes Winner US, etc)

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