Letting the snake out of the basket

FeelGood · Feb 14, 2003

After reading that a lot of European resellers are looking to buy up the NGF stock, it occured to me that the scene is in for a really rude awakening. What happens to prices on non-freaked carts when the market gets virtually flooded with freaked shit?

I think it's going to be really hard to get a fair and squar deal on a homecart that isn't freaked, and prices will reflect that.

I wish that Playmore torched the NGF warehouse. I really do. Letting those carts into the wild is like letting ebola into the watersystem.

FTL · Feb 14, 2003

I wouldn't be sure at all the carts are NOT freaked.At all.

They could be all original but stamped on the back of the inserts.

On a side note last Neo turf master Laurent sold at neoayato for $1100+,few days ago,WAS stamped by NGF.
Laurenrt ,being honest,told that and sold it for high price anyway.

NebraskaDragon · Feb 14, 2003

I'm not saying "yay NGF!" but why wont both markets co-exist like they did before the lawsuit? People who want freaked stuff will buy freaked stuff, people who don't won't. I can see how it will effect the european market if they are all heading over there, but I cant see it effecting buying and selling in the US. But then again, I am not well knowledged in the area of business and economy.

Takumaji · Feb 14, 2003

EvilWasabi:
After reading that a lot of European resellers are looking to buy up the NGF stock, it occured to me that the scene is in for a really rude awakening. What happens to prices on non-freaked carts when the market gets virtually flooded with freaked shit?

I think it's going to be really hard to get a fair and squar deal on a homecart that isn't freaked, and prices will reflect that.

I wish that Playmore torched the NGF warehouse. I really do. Letting those carts into the wild is like letting ebola into the watersystem.

Some of the ppl over here are just stupid. They think they could make a quick buck by buying parts of the NGF stock and reselling them for normal Euro (= insanely overpriced) Neo cart prices. I know the owner of a small video game mailorder shop near my city, and this guy already sold NGF stuff in the past.

Now, in theory, this isn't a problem, since most Neo ppl over here (the collectors anyway) know NGF and the shit they have pulled, but throughout Europe at the mo, there seems to be yet another wave of Neo interest, bringing in lotsa clueless ppl who will fall prey to bootlegs.

EW's Ebola-comparison is quite convincing in this case, unsuspecting victims spread the virus, and eventually, it will creep back to the US, Japan, etc... frown

[ February 14, 2003, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: Takumaji ]

LWK · Feb 14, 2003

Hell yeah that sucks. And who wants to constantly tell a seller to check certain areas of the cart? this is like pandora's box. Many sellers dont respond frequently to email, which makes it harder. Local area's better start stocking, cause the net is becoming more chancey with 'every passing day'..

aria · Feb 14, 2003

There's going to be a lot of scamming of newbies, a lot of bitter buyers, a lot of under-heat sellers, and we're all going to have to be a little more vigilant in what we buy.

I agree with Nebraska Dragon that things for experienced buyers will more than likely stay the same. Some will buy these "ye ol' NGF bootlegs" and some won't.

The experienced and/or obsessive (people who chuck out hundreds or more for a game) buyers will be aware enough of the difference.

Maybe we'll start to see escrows on the bigger ticket items. Regardless, I'm happy that my collection is about where I want it (it's been there for about a year) and I have no interest in expanding during riskier times ahead.

Alkanan · Feb 14, 2003

I say the NGF carts should only be used as Sac carts.

Tarma · Feb 14, 2003

I think you're all being paranoid.

Scare mongering like this doesn't help the situation. I think there is generally more than enough awareness amongst Neo cart buyers about NGF's policy on 'warranty'.

Look at the carts Joe sold. All brand new/minty fresh and not one was 'freaked'. Personally I think the buyer of those carts picked up some rare gems as many of the titles he was offering simply cannot be bought in that kind of condition... and if Joe made a buck or two on top then more power to him.

Which would you prefer - NGF freaking the carts and selling them through their web site, or selling them in bulk (UNFREAKED) to resellers and private individuals to distribute to people who will appreciate them?

You can't have it both ways, and I'm sure resellers like Joe thoroughly check through the games for labels/stamps etc... why would someone want to destroy their sellers rep. over a few home carts.

Some of you guys need to get a grip and look at the potential wider benefits than dwelling on the negative all the time.

EDIT: by the way, as a fellow student of law, I'm suprised at your total lack of objectivity Bobak. You would need far more information from the scenario as a whole before supporting a statement such as that which Charlie made, regardless of past activity on behalf of NGF.

[ February 14, 2003, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: Tarma ]

buster_broon · Feb 14, 2003

again i'm with Tarma on this one

and to be honest i have enquired about some of his stock and it wouldnt surprise me if alot more members did

but his prices were still a little on the high side so i have decided not to bother

btw Chris promised that the stuff is new as sealed and not tainted by the ngf stamp

Joe McCabe · Feb 14, 2003

Whatever you get from Chris will be untouched and not freaked, unless it had been previously freaked by either Chris or Dion. Chris did open any of the games that were sealed, but Dion on the other hand probably freaked everything he had. I wouldn't trust Dion at all, and I only trust Chris because he is so close to me and I can pick up the stuff in person.

aria · Feb 14, 2003

Tarma:
EDIT: by the way, as a fellow student of law, I'm suprised at your total lack of objectivity Bobak. You would need far more information from the scenario as a whole before supporting a statement such as that which Charlie made, regardless of past activity on behalf of NGF.

What? I said I think things might get a little more risky --but I did not support EW's view in total, my whole post was mitigating it with Nebraska Dragon's comment. People have been unwittingly stuck with NGF stuff before, and with the spread into Europe it will continue -possibly more, but I doubt less.

aria · Feb 14, 2003

Joe McCabe:
Whatever you get from Chris will be untouched and not freaked, unless it had been previously freaked by either Chris or Dion.

Umm... Doesn't that conflict with itself?

FeelGood · Feb 14, 2003

Joe McCabe:
Whatever you get from Chris will be untouched and not freaked, unless it had been previously freaked by either Chris or Dion. Chris did open any of the games that were sealed, but Dion on the other hand probably freaked everything he had. I wouldn't trust Dion at all, and I only trust Chris because he is so close to me and I can pick up the stuff in person.

I honestly want to believe that because a good chunk of me respects Chris for his knowledge. But I know how things are between him and Dion. Dion says "do it" and Chris does it... Dion says "don't do that" and Chris stops doing it... Talking mainly about the thing Chris was going to do with Jeff Kurtz, regarding unreleased protos.

Joe McCabe · Feb 14, 2003

I am not Chris is an angel, but he is better than Dion. And Bobak, I was just trying to say that Chris didn't open the sealed games to freak them, like Dion did.

BIG BEAR · Feb 14, 2003

I agree with EW.The market will be contaminated and it's the collecters who will suffer.
Ive picked up items in poor condition due to normal wear and tear,missing manuals and other deficiencies .I find that alot of sellers are dishonest or ignorant nowadays to what they have in their possession when it comes to giving descriptions and this is what angers me because the price of whatever you purchase depends on condition.
Accurate description is "key" in resale.
This market is plagued with fraud...
Now NEW freaked merchandise..will join this already deceptive and poor market. YIPEE!!
The "trickle down affect" is real..
There's going to be a whole lot of unhappy,frustrated new collecters...
-BB

Shito · Feb 14, 2003

The games on sale by NGF on eBay are from Dion or Chris?

How to really know about it? How to be sure?

This is a damn mess anyway...

FeelGood · Feb 14, 2003

Joe McCabe:
I am not Chris is an angel, but he is better than Dion. And Bobak, I was just trying to say that Chris didn't open the sealed games to freak them, like Dion did.

I just clicked on your website link, and ...

is "comming" written that way on purpose?

TheBigBB · Feb 14, 2003

I don't think it's a big deal at all. MVS buyers already have to worry about bootlegs, but they seem to do okay overall. There's always a question of what's wrong with an item when you buy it... Just always be careful. Bad sellers who don't fully describe their stuff are always risky. If you are worried about freaked shit, then ask. If the seller won't answer, forget it. That's all.

Amazingly enough, I agree with Tarma on this. eek!

Tarma · Feb 15, 2003

Joe McCabe:
I am not Chris is an angel, but he is better than Dion.

My sentiments exactly. Dion stamps and stickers everything regardless. Chris, may have used the stamp and warranty sticker on carts for a time, but I believe he is well aware that people just don't want the carts tainted like this. The sticker is never a problem anyay, as it comes off.

It's the stamp that can't be removed :mad:

If you ask, he is willing to listen. Dion will not.

Chris is a reasonable guy, and I've never ever had any trouble dealing with him. And as Charlie says his technical knowledge is simply outstanding, as is his conversion work if you've seen it up close (Shawn's Strikers was Dion's attempt at a convert).
Dion... well, Dion is Dion. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him,

The thing a lot of people don't realise is any money you pay Chris does not go to Dion and vice versa. They just both advertise under the umbrella of 'NGF'.

Chris may not be an angel, but then even the best of us are prone to making mistakes, upsetting people and general bad call. And if you go around constantly bad mouthing the guy is it any wonder he's hostile towards particular people?

Shito · Feb 20, 2003

I have to say I've seen Chris posting is some of my collection threads with interesting points clarely showing a real knowledge of the NeoGeo world na dhistory.

That being said, I can't accept the 'freaking' policy of NGF, which sound as 'vandalizing' to me.

Yet, Chris seems indeed to be something different from Dion...

Shito · Feb 20, 2003

Tarma:

Look at the carts Joe sold. All brand new/minty fresh and not one was 'freaked'.

Are you talking about Joe McCabe?

If so, I didn't knew he was selling games from the NGF stock.

I buyed a couple of carts from him some time ago, but those were from his personal trip to Japan.

Anyway, Joe is a total honest and reliable guy in my book.

I would likely trust him about any issue and in any circumstance about a deal.

[ February 20, 2003, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: Shito ]

Tarma · Feb 20, 2003

Shito:

Tarma:

Look at the carts Joe sold. All brand new/minty fresh and not one was 'freaked'.

Click to expand...

Are you talking about Joe McCabe?

If so, I didn't knew he was selling games from the NGF stock.

I buyed a couple of carts from him some time ago, but those were from his personal trip to Japan.

Anyway, Joe is a total honest and reliable guy in my book.

I would likely trust him about any issue and in any circumstance about a deal.

Yeah, Joe McCabe. He bought some brand new, sealed games off Chris - ex'NGF' inventory. None of it was 'freaked'/vandalised. 100% as SNK intended the carts. I really can't think of any other source, off the top of my head, that would have brand new sealed copies of some of the carts Chris was/is selling. If they're not freaked why should there be a problem... unless you're afraid Dion might see some of your cash... :rolleyes:

Shito · Feb 22, 2003

Woah, I missed this sale from Joe!

Too bad for me!

When did he sold that stuff?

Joe McCabe · Feb 22, 2003

I sold it about 2-3 weeks ago, and also thanks for the compliments from both of you.

Tarma · Feb 22, 2003

Joe McCabe:
I sold it about 2-3 weeks ago, and also thanks for the compliments from both of you.

No worries Joe

Are you still banned from chat? spock frown

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