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Makismo
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 423
Rate Member posted February 09, 2003 02:40 PM
This is what I wrote at NG.com and I only got negative replies but I think that I will get a better response here:
Many of you know that I am a NGF supporter. The NGF supporters of this site have been asked by Shawn to denounce NGF in order to find salvation with the other Neo brethren. Joshua is in the process of permanent banishment and I have been on probation for over three months. I was banned for making inappropriate comments about Clint's condition. I was allowed to come back and have since then toned down my NGF comments and my behavior is not as "over-the-top" as it once was.
When Joshua told me that Shawn would lift my probation status if I denounced NGF, I was torn apart inside. I have done many deals Shawn as well as Dion and I would not isolate myself from either one of them because they are both great assets to this community. Dion has never asked me to denounce Shawn and I am unhappy that Shawn would put me in a position where I have to choose one or the other.
I have done many deals with the people of this board as well as Ray Young over at !Arcade! and others on eBay. I think that the people that I have dealt with are all high caliber people. However, I would not want to take sides in choosing one over another. I wish that all groups could get along as a whole in supporting the Neo Geo. After all we are all here for one cause and that is to support the system which we all cherish.
There are many different sects of the Neo Geo consumer. There are many different ideologies and belief systems on what is the best way to be a true Neo Enthusiast. Some people believe that all conversions are bad because they were not officially made by SNK. Others believe that they are because they are made up of parts produced by SNK and therefore are official just produced in a different form that SNK did not intend or wish to for various reasons.
Now comes the big question that you all have had. Why do I promote NGF and why do I wish them to succeed? In truth, I wish all companies to succeed as long as they have the consumer's best interest at heart. I believe that Shawn, Dion, Chris, and Ray possess these traits. However, they do not seem to agree on many things and this is a source of conflict amongst the boards. I think of them as the different sects of Christianity. Each sect wishes you to go with them. Be they Mormons, Catholics, Lutherans, or Disciples of Christ they all have their own ideas of what Christianity should be like. I believe the same holds true for the men that I have mentioned when referring to the Neo Enthusiast.
What can we do to turn this negativity around and to make this a true community? I think that it is best that we look at our weaknesses and try to overcome them. Each of these individuals and the Neo consumer offer something unique to the scene and each have their strengths and their weaknesses. None of us are perfect but we do our best to make the most of what we have. I will be the first to admit that have made some royally stupid posts on NG.com but so have many of you. It is important that we look at what we do best instead of what we do worst. I think that the main problem with saints is that they have vices like many of us do. When the Apostle Paul was known as Saul he hunted down Christians and when he was born again by the Holy Spirit he saw what he was doing wrong and corrected his ways. I have faith that these four men who control our community can bring us together as one if they get past their dislike for one another. This is only an ideological world I may be speaking of and I may be clueless, but I honestly believe that the community could be made better if the heads would stop their fighting.
When Dion and Chris stopped posting I saw the site turn on itself. It would seem that the members here need someone to attack and when that valve of aggression is turned off, there is a backwash of hate and despair. That is what is happening to the board right now. I think that the heads of the three boards should come together and make amends and then we may see a unity of the community once and for all.
This may be one small step for the community in the right direction. I know that the first step will be the hardest but if great men like Thomas Edison never tried then there would be no electricity for the Neo Geo to run and no Neo Geo at all. And if everyone said that it could not be done then we would still be in the stone ages. I am here to tell you that it can be done and with your help we will make a great community of which we can be proud of and the Neo Community will be a shining beacon of which all other video game communities will be modeled after. I am proud to be a Neo Enthusiast.
NOTE: Look at what Shawn said to Joshua:
quote:
Good move Joshua. Denouncing NGF is a giant step in the right direction. As you know, we are currently voting on your membership status in the Mod forum and your public change in heart should help your chances. We will know your verdict soon enough.
Makismo, holding your breath for future unofficial artwork or new conversions from NGF will be fruitless. It's not too late for you to denounce NGF as well. Do so and you too can receive salvation amongst your neo brethren.
Shawn told Joshua that denouncing NGF would get him from being unbanned. Joshua fell for it I am afraid and wanted to remain on the boards. Shawn and the MODs banned him anyway even after they told him that all he had to do was to denounce NGF and all would be forgiven. I think that it was wrong for Joshua to denounce NGF in order to fit in but I think that it was very wrong for Shawn and the moderators to lie to Joshua like that.
I am sure that Joshua is very sorry for his actions and I think that we should give him another chance to redeem himself here. After all he fell for the lies and deceit that the heads of the other forum were spewing forth.
Joshua, I feel very bad the way that the others treated you but I knew that this was going to happen. Your place is here with us. I am sure that you are hurting right now and we are willing to look past your denouncement of NGF but we want to hear how you feel. We will not curse at you or hold harsh judgment over you. We just want to hear your side of what happened and how you feel about it.
[ February 09, 2003: Message edited by: Makismo ]
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:19 AM
My side of the story? Anyone that wants to see proof that Shawn wrote the post where I denounced NGF, leave me an e-mail address.
Frankly, banning me has done them no good.
I have a dynamic IP, use free e-mail addresses, have multiple members to handle deals for me, and have still been posting since my ban. Apparently, they must've missed an account or two (or three).
For the last week I've had threats of legal action from that lame ass Sonny Wessels, and a couple of anonymous death threats (one which was delivered to my little brother).
Frankly I owe Dion a $200 transaction, and I'm just waiting to be sure I'm not in legal trouble (by any means).
Dion KNOWS I wouldn't scam, I was in a perfect position to scamn HIM at one time. I didn't, even with the urging of Mr. Wessels and Mr. McCleskey. I only did what I had to, to remain on that site, because I was waiting on confirmation that an honest member received the goods he paid for.
In that one, I was paid CASH. Again, a scammer would've just kept it.
Thanks for the kind words, Makismo, but they're not needed. I'm not wounded.
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:26 AM
Here's the e-mail. I was told to post this if I wanted access to my PMs. I really needed in, I had a deal, I had to make sure the other guy got his stuff.
quote:
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Just wanted to come out and say this before my
banning is official:
I have no ties to NGF, and I don't suggest that
anyone else here begins any business with them. I
personally haven't had a single transaction with
them since the whole KOF 2000 deal, most people
already know that story.
I'm trying to be sincere, in this post. My online
"persona" is sort of a jackass, just for the sake
of being one. I don't want that for this post.
Playmore is going after NGF in a big way, and
it's obvious who brings
the bigger guns to court. NGF is a sinking ship
and I want to state for
the record that I am no longer an NGF supporter
of any kind.
As I stated earlier, the main reason I even spoke
good about them was to
hopefully receive better/faster/cheaper service.
That's how NGF works,
so it's not like I had much choice, unless you
talk good about them, you
may not see your goods for months.
Just warning you, if you deal with NGF, you might
get burned. I don't want that on my conscience
after I get banned. They have a nasty past, and
they're being sued in a big way, so they have an
even nastier future.
They could disappear any day now, why worry about
YOUR
transaction if they're out a LOT of money anyway
through a lawsuit?
For anyone believing ME to be a scammer: I have
not, and WOULD not scam anyone here. I haven't
taken a dime illegally, nor a single piece of
merchandise.
I don't appreciate being called a scammer.
For Sonny: Deep down, I know you're actually a
good guy. You got misled by other members of the
forum, probably thought you wouldn't get your
goods back. I'm burying that hatchet (regardless
of my ban).
-Joshua
Sincerely,
Shawn <a href="http://www.neo-geo.com" target="_blank">www.neo-geo.com</a> <a href="http://www.neostore.com" target="_blank">www.neostore.com</a>
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shawn
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 157
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:34 AM
So Shawn McClesky of neo-geo.com actually wrote that and told you to post it? What a low life loser. He brings shame to our mutual given name (Shawn).
But Josh why would you even stoop so low as to agree to something like that? Can't you stick up for yourself? I would have told him to **** off and grow up for once.
Shawn
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:36 AM
I was locked out of PMs. I had just sent a packaged and needed to get the guy a tracking number.
No e-mail address for him, that was my only shot.
Actually he suggested I write something, I wrote something, and that's what he sent back. He ICQed me basically saying if I wanted to get into PMs I was going to post that.
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shawn
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 157
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:44 AM
wow. It's pretty pathetic to see how infatuated Shawn M. is with Dion and Chris. He is even mentioning their court case. Doesn't he realize that Playmore has pretty much already lost. Playmore had to post $5000, give back NGF's stock, and lost the injunction which they tried to stop NGF from selling and having their web sites. Playmore lost 3 big aspects of their preliminary hearings and they probably lost tons of money in legal fees. Are people blind to the facts posted on Playmore's own site stipulating the outcome? Playmore LOST the injunction.
Shawn
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:46 AM
Too bad I feel like I'm blackballed from NGF as well. I always thought Dion was a pretty cool guy to buy games from.
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Makismo
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 423
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 08:10 AM
That kind of sucked. It is too bad that you had to say those things in order to get to your PMs. I would email Dion about this. When I saw you post that stuff I was shocked. I got worried that you had turned on us. You won't see that kind of behavior here. I hope everything works out for you.
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:28 PM
I e-mailed Dion a couple of times lately, no reply. I first e-mailed him that I was hanging onto the money I owe him (we'd made a deal), until this crap with legal threats blows over. I was kinda worried that hick would find SOME way to get me in trouble, but it looks like two days on the phones with authorities did him no good at all.
I seriously doubt things are cool with me and Dion now...
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 02:02 PM
Oh yeah, e-mail address is joshuaclifton@yahoo.com
The hotmail address is stuffed FULL of e-mails and threats from people I'm saving, should I decide to press harassment charges.
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Oh yes I am just sure Shawn is Writing letters for Josh to post here
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Author Topic: Doctrine of the Neo Enthusiast (for others and Joshua)
Makismo
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 423
Rate Member posted February 09, 2003 02:40 PM
This is what I wrote at NG.com and I only got negative replies but I think that I will get a better response here:
Many of you know that I am a NGF supporter. The NGF supporters of this site have been asked by Shawn to denounce NGF in order to find salvation with the other Neo brethren. Joshua is in the process of permanent banishment and I have been on probation for over three months. I was banned for making inappropriate comments about Clint's condition. I was allowed to come back and have since then toned down my NGF comments and my behavior is not as "over-the-top" as it once was.
When Joshua told me that Shawn would lift my probation status if I denounced NGF, I was torn apart inside. I have done many deals Shawn as well as Dion and I would not isolate myself from either one of them because they are both great assets to this community. Dion has never asked me to denounce Shawn and I am unhappy that Shawn would put me in a position where I have to choose one or the other.
I have done many deals with the people of this board as well as Ray Young over at !Arcade! and others on eBay. I think that the people that I have dealt with are all high caliber people. However, I would not want to take sides in choosing one over another. I wish that all groups could get along as a whole in supporting the Neo Geo. After all we are all here for one cause and that is to support the system which we all cherish.
There are many different sects of the Neo Geo consumer. There are many different ideologies and belief systems on what is the best way to be a true Neo Enthusiast. Some people believe that all conversions are bad because they were not officially made by SNK. Others believe that they are because they are made up of parts produced by SNK and therefore are official just produced in a different form that SNK did not intend or wish to for various reasons.
Now comes the big question that you all have had. Why do I promote NGF and why do I wish them to succeed? In truth, I wish all companies to succeed as long as they have the consumer's best interest at heart. I believe that Shawn, Dion, Chris, and Ray possess these traits. However, they do not seem to agree on many things and this is a source of conflict amongst the boards. I think of them as the different sects of Christianity. Each sect wishes you to go with them. Be they Mormons, Catholics, Lutherans, or Disciples of Christ they all have their own ideas of what Christianity should be like. I believe the same holds true for the men that I have mentioned when referring to the Neo Enthusiast.
What can we do to turn this negativity around and to make this a true community? I think that it is best that we look at our weaknesses and try to overcome them. Each of these individuals and the Neo consumer offer something unique to the scene and each have their strengths and their weaknesses. None of us are perfect but we do our best to make the most of what we have. I will be the first to admit that have made some royally stupid posts on NG.com but so have many of you. It is important that we look at what we do best instead of what we do worst. I think that the main problem with saints is that they have vices like many of us do. When the Apostle Paul was known as Saul he hunted down Christians and when he was born again by the Holy Spirit he saw what he was doing wrong and corrected his ways. I have faith that these four men who control our community can bring us together as one if they get past their dislike for one another. This is only an ideological world I may be speaking of and I may be clueless, but I honestly believe that the community could be made better if the heads would stop their fighting.
When Dion and Chris stopped posting I saw the site turn on itself. It would seem that the members here need someone to attack and when that valve of aggression is turned off, there is a backwash of hate and despair. That is what is happening to the board right now. I think that the heads of the three boards should come together and make amends and then we may see a unity of the community once and for all.
This may be one small step for the community in the right direction. I know that the first step will be the hardest but if great men like Thomas Edison never tried then there would be no electricity for the Neo Geo to run and no Neo Geo at all. And if everyone said that it could not be done then we would still be in the stone ages. I am here to tell you that it can be done and with your help we will make a great community of which we can be proud of and the Neo Community will be a shining beacon of which all other video game communities will be modeled after. I am proud to be a Neo Enthusiast.
NOTE: Look at what Shawn said to Joshua:
quote:
Good move Joshua. Denouncing NGF is a giant step in the right direction. As you know, we are currently voting on your membership status in the Mod forum and your public change in heart should help your chances. We will know your verdict soon enough.
Makismo, holding your breath for future unofficial artwork or new conversions from NGF will be fruitless. It's not too late for you to denounce NGF as well. Do so and you too can receive salvation amongst your neo brethren.
Shawn told Joshua that denouncing NGF would get him from being unbanned. Joshua fell for it I am afraid and wanted to remain on the boards. Shawn and the MODs banned him anyway even after they told him that all he had to do was to denounce NGF and all would be forgiven. I think that it was wrong for Joshua to denounce NGF in order to fit in but I think that it was very wrong for Shawn and the moderators to lie to Joshua like that.
I am sure that Joshua is very sorry for his actions and I think that we should give him another chance to redeem himself here. After all he fell for the lies and deceit that the heads of the other forum were spewing forth.
Joshua, I feel very bad the way that the others treated you but I knew that this was going to happen. Your place is here with us. I am sure that you are hurting right now and we are willing to look past your denouncement of NGF but we want to hear how you feel. We will not curse at you or hold harsh judgment over you. We just want to hear your side of what happened and how you feel about it.
[ February 09, 2003: Message edited by: Makismo ]
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:19 AM
My side of the story? Anyone that wants to see proof that Shawn wrote the post where I denounced NGF, leave me an e-mail address.
Frankly, banning me has done them no good.
I have a dynamic IP, use free e-mail addresses, have multiple members to handle deals for me, and have still been posting since my ban. Apparently, they must've missed an account or two (or three).
For the last week I've had threats of legal action from that lame ass Sonny Wessels, and a couple of anonymous death threats (one which was delivered to my little brother).
Frankly I owe Dion a $200 transaction, and I'm just waiting to be sure I'm not in legal trouble (by any means).
Dion KNOWS I wouldn't scam, I was in a perfect position to scamn HIM at one time. I didn't, even with the urging of Mr. Wessels and Mr. McCleskey. I only did what I had to, to remain on that site, because I was waiting on confirmation that an honest member received the goods he paid for.
In that one, I was paid CASH. Again, a scammer would've just kept it.
Thanks for the kind words, Makismo, but they're not needed. I'm not wounded.
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:26 AM
Here's the e-mail. I was told to post this if I wanted access to my PMs. I really needed in, I had a deal, I had to make sure the other guy got his stuff.
quote:
From shawn@neo-geo.com Sat Feb 8 13:23:48 2003
X-Apparently-To: joshuaclifton@yahoo.com via 66.218.78.185; 08 Feb 2003 13:24:08 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <shawn@neo-geo.com>
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Just wanted to come out and say this before my
banning is official:
I have no ties to NGF, and I don't suggest that
anyone else here begins any business with them. I
personally haven't had a single transaction with
them since the whole KOF 2000 deal, most people
already know that story.
I'm trying to be sincere, in this post. My online
"persona" is sort of a jackass, just for the sake
of being one. I don't want that for this post.
Playmore is going after NGF in a big way, and
it's obvious who brings
the bigger guns to court. NGF is a sinking ship
and I want to state for
the record that I am no longer an NGF supporter
of any kind.
As I stated earlier, the main reason I even spoke
good about them was to
hopefully receive better/faster/cheaper service.
That's how NGF works,
so it's not like I had much choice, unless you
talk good about them, you
may not see your goods for months.
Just warning you, if you deal with NGF, you might
get burned. I don't want that on my conscience
after I get banned. They have a nasty past, and
they're being sued in a big way, so they have an
even nastier future.
They could disappear any day now, why worry about
YOUR
transaction if they're out a LOT of money anyway
through a lawsuit?
For anyone believing ME to be a scammer: I have
not, and WOULD not scam anyone here. I haven't
taken a dime illegally, nor a single piece of
merchandise.
I don't appreciate being called a scammer.
For Sonny: Deep down, I know you're actually a
good guy. You got misled by other members of the
forum, probably thought you wouldn't get your
goods back. I'm burying that hatchet (regardless
of my ban).
-Joshua
Sincerely,
Shawn <a href="http://www.neo-geo.com" target="_blank">www.neo-geo.com</a> <a href="http://www.neostore.com" target="_blank">www.neostore.com</a>
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shawn
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 157
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:34 AM
So Shawn McClesky of neo-geo.com actually wrote that and told you to post it? What a low life loser. He brings shame to our mutual given name (Shawn).
But Josh why would you even stoop so low as to agree to something like that? Can't you stick up for yourself? I would have told him to **** off and grow up for once.
Shawn
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:36 AM
I was locked out of PMs. I had just sent a packaged and needed to get the guy a tracking number.
No e-mail address for him, that was my only shot.
Actually he suggested I write something, I wrote something, and that's what he sent back. He ICQed me basically saying if I wanted to get into PMs I was going to post that.
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shawn
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 157
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:44 AM
wow. It's pretty pathetic to see how infatuated Shawn M. is with Dion and Chris. He is even mentioning their court case. Doesn't he realize that Playmore has pretty much already lost. Playmore had to post $5000, give back NGF's stock, and lost the injunction which they tried to stop NGF from selling and having their web sites. Playmore lost 3 big aspects of their preliminary hearings and they probably lost tons of money in legal fees. Are people blind to the facts posted on Playmore's own site stipulating the outcome? Playmore LOST the injunction.
Shawn
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:46 AM
Too bad I feel like I'm blackballed from NGF as well. I always thought Dion was a pretty cool guy to buy games from.
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Makismo
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 423
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 08:10 AM
That kind of sucked. It is too bad that you had to say those things in order to get to your PMs. I would email Dion about this. When I saw you post that stuff I was shocked. I got worried that you had turned on us. You won't see that kind of behavior here. I hope everything works out for you.
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 12:28 PM
I e-mailed Dion a couple of times lately, no reply. I first e-mailed him that I was hanging onto the money I owe him (we'd made a deal), until this crap with legal threats blows over. I was kinda worried that hick would find SOME way to get me in trouble, but it looks like two days on the phones with authorities did him no good at all.
I seriously doubt things are cool with me and Dion now...
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Joshua
NeoGeoFreak
Member # 75
Rate Member posted February 10, 2003 02:02 PM
Oh yeah, e-mail address is joshuaclifton@yahoo.com
The hotmail address is stuffed FULL of e-mails and threats from people I'm saving, should I decide to press harassment charges.
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Oh yes I am just sure Shawn is Writing letters for Josh to post here
