UPDATED MVS PRICE GUIDE

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trieuminator

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Not to surprise anyone in the upcoming months, the MVS Price Guide will be updated. :)

I have spoken to Shawn and with his permission, I will be responsible for the MVS Price Guide from here on out.

As most of you already know, if you've checked the MVS Price Guide, it has not been updated in months and to some, it's very misleading.

The new price guide will consist of 4 columns. The first two columns will show prices for the low and high of a loose MVS (Original U.S. labeled cart, unless the game originated in Japanese form only, then the price will be for that language) cart. Currently, the price guide shows prices for a loose MVS cart WITH a mini marquee, but the new guide will be ONLY for the cart itself since certain people value the mini marquee differently, depending on it's rarity.

The second column will show prices of complete kits, low and high, once again. The definition of a "complete kit" will be defined in detail so we're all on the same page. Again, the guide will be for U.S. labeled kits only. I have nothing against the Japanese kits, but my reasoning for this is because for all the kits I've dealt with, most collectors have requested U.S. versions and we're all more familiar with them (at least here in the U.S.). If the version exists only in Japanese format, then the price will reflect that. Keep in mind that just because the game is in Japanese format only, it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth less. Most of the Japanese only release are in fact "valued" more by collectors and are more expensive.

In terms of classifying the value of Japanese MVS kits, well, that would be a tough task, since most Japanese vendors throw out the box and collectors over there don't necessarily keep all the original contents of what we here call a "kit." The price guide will eventually evolve and initially, I have no doubts that many may not agree on the price, which feedback from anyone is welcomed as long as their is sufficient information to back your suggestion.

There should not be any whining, since the left column, for "loose" MVS carts, will be for "gamers" and the right column, complete kits, will be for "collectors."

Like any guide, it will be upon your judgment to see if you should or should buy/sell/trade for the amount listed. It will be there to "help" you.

When the guide is out, I will answer any question on how a dollar amount is placed on each title. The method is not arbitrary, so please don't assume that.

Please post your thoughts on the New MVS Price Guide System.
 

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BLEARGH! Commercialization! MONEY! You Crapitalist piglets be makee me sick! Gaming! Z'Allabout... GAMING! BAD! BAD PRICE GUIDE! BE STOPPING IT RIGHT NOW BASTARDS!

Just thought I would get that out of the way before the morning crew got here and decided to do the same thing, except with more space and bandwidth wasted. Thanks, TRIEUMINATOR. ;)
 
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Originally posted by BioMotor_Unitron:
<strong>BLEARGH! Commercialization! MONEY! You Crapitalist piglets be makee me sick! Gaming! Z'Allabout... GAMING! BAD! BAD PRICE GUIDE! BE STOPPING IT RIGHT NOW BASTARDS!
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We will classify you on the left hand side of the column. :)
 

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Not me, I was just trying to condense fifty Posts worth of drivel that will no doubt be spewed in the morning once the news is read. ;)
 
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Originally posted by BioMotor_Unitron:
<strong>Not me, I was just trying to condense fifty Posts worth of drivel that will no doubt be spewed in the morning once the news is read. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah, it all makes sense now. Yeah, there undoubtedly will be some disagreements, but anytime I hear rebuttles about the "collectors" side, I will ask them to refer to "the column to your left." <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
 

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How the hell will you determine the value of complete kits that hardly ever surface? Especially with cheap, common games. Lets say, a complete kit of World Heroes or 3 Count Bout or Legend of Success Joe? The games themselves are common as hell but you hardly ever see the complete kit, so will you just pull a figure out of thin air?

Or are you just going to look at the value of complete kits out there, compare them to the value of loose carts, get a general percent increase in value between the kits and loosies then apply that to every title? Say after alot of number crunching, you determine that on average kits are worth 100% more than loosies (twice the value), will you just double the price of all the loosies to determine the kit value?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

The only possible way to collect accurate data in my mind is to set up a poll system for a couple weeks. Ask everyone on the boards to vote on what they would pay for each complete kit (you wouldn't have to include kits that show up semi-often). Then take the average of each title and make a reasonable decision based off of that. True, you'll get fools and those who don't know the value of MVS carts but it might be better than just picking a number yourself.

After all, the fans/collectors/gamers are the ones that determine the worth of this shit. <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
 

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I do not think a Poll would work. Many times people do not know what they are willing to pay until they actually have the opportunity to buy the item. I have bought some that I paid more for than I initially planned to, but looking back on it, I do not regret it, taking into account how seldom the item was seen, what it could have gone for on eBay (Most of my complete kit purchases have been through means other than eBay), etc.

I suppose a person could average out all known sales of complete kits, but that is about it. The averages would spike and slump a lot until a sufficient number of that kit had been sold and averaged in. For instance, I paid $50.00 for a new Magician Lord kit last year. Unless someone else has purchased a complete kit recently, that one purchase would set the average.
 
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Nothing against you Tru, but videogame priceguides are pointless, whack, lame etc. etc.

REAL priceguides like Becket, Blue Book for Cars etc, use lot's of different sources, they also carefully watch the world market, and it's a lot of work. They have a team of hundreds to maintain an accurate guide. I mean who are you, or Geddon or whoever to put together a guide, can I see your bussiness and economic degrees?

Yourself, Geddon, or whoever else "runs" the Neo guide, your the opinion of ONE person (we all know how price differes between different people, IMO Twinkle Star Sprites is a 75 dollar cart, cause it sucks ass), and eBay and these boards are not an accurate way to try and put a price guide together (eBay's prices are highly erratic, and should never be used as a reference).

I remember when the Devils posted their "guide", IMO that has just as much credability as any other guide whoever puts together. I just really feel sorry for blind people who come to Neo.com, who may actually think the guide here is THE authority or some official guide (that's whats dangerous about it). The Neo-Geo.com url can be quite misleading, I meet newbies all the time that think neogeofreak.com/ngfusa.com is the US branch of Neo Geo Freak Magazine in Japan.

Burn the priceguide, it's worthless and a waste of time (no offense).

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Wouldn't it make more since to have a high and a low price... Where the low would reflect a cart only, and a high as a complete kit... this new system sounds pretty lame... I don't think it really needs to be changed. People want to go to a page, see what the going rate on a game is and go... I don't think we want to do the Neo conversion chart of perfect integrals to get a price... or do I belong on the left...

-Nick
 

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And it is a sad truth, the prices on ebay are so erratic, and there really is no set value in these carts, we make them up when we want them. Like I bought a Riding Hero kit for $95, a loose cart just sold on ebay for $25... I have seen other loose RH carts go for $50. If I put my cart on ebay, and goes for $120... how much is it really worth? When it comes down to it, the only real price guide is what we are willing to pay for a certain title... I mean, look around Video Connections has some titles for really low, and some really high.. go to MDGame Sales, they have the same titles, but some that were low at VC are high at MD, and vise versa. Prices vary all over the place. Normally when I am looking for a game, I call all over and see what the prices are, then go for the lowest.... I don't know, what I am trying to say is that getting the prices for and maintaining this guide is going to be really hard...

-Nick
 

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I like the idea of doing sperate prices for both loosies and kits. In a way they are two completely different markets.

Anyway, I forgot about the whole "HIGH/LOW" thing, I was assuming averages for some reason. In other trading communities I have been in actual data was recorded for both the highest and lowest that particular item has EVER gone for. Basically, if a transaction was verified and it turned out so and so game sold for a new high, then that high price would be recorded. If it sold for a new low, the that price would be recorded. This takes alot of work on the recorder's end, but it does give accurate, actual information. This might work well with the MVS market, especially considering many prices have settled into what could be called an "official value" (talking about loosies here). This isn't the AES market, MVS prices aren't very irratic so we won't be seeing a mint KOF '94 loose cart go for $200.

As a side note, I definately think eBay SHOULD be a major factor when deciding the worth of a cart/kit. Where else do such a broad range of people have access to a multitude of MVS products? I don't know where else you could possibly look...
 

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TRIEUMINATOR already stated in his initial Post that there would be Low/High prices for loose carts, as well as complete kits.
 

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Why not a price guide for kits only.
A loose cart guide is just worthless when there's just so many loose carts floating around...
There is no concrete information to what exists,blah..blah..blah..blah...
Anybody here ever own a baseball card collection and attempt to sell their cards according to a guide?? i did that along time ago and got laughed @ on more than one occassion.
BURN THE PRICE GUIDES!!!
Cough..Cough...
-BB
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wooo! $500 for a loose SLug 1 !

<img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />
 

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Originally posted by Deyer:
<strong>wooo! $500 for a loose SLug 1 !

<img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


Drugs are bad, mmmm'kay? <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />
 

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Originally posted by BioMotor_Unitron:
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Drugs are bad, mmmm'kay? <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

yes they are. Especially this drug called neo geo .

<img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" /> <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />
 
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Originally posted by nruva:
<strong>And it is a sad truth, the prices on ebay are so erratic, and there really is no set value in these carts, we make them up when we want them. Like I bought a Riding Hero kit for $95, a loose cart just sold on ebay for $25... I have seen other loose RH carts go for $50. If I put my cart on ebay, and goes for $120... how much is it really worth? When it comes down to it, the only real price guide is what we are willing to pay for a certain title... I mean, look around Video Connections has some titles for really low, and some really high.. go to MDGame Sales, they have the same titles, but some that were low at VC are high at MD, and vise versa. Prices vary all over the place. Normally when I am looking for a game, I call all over and see what the prices are, then go for the lowest.... I don't know, what I am trying to say is that getting the prices for and maintaining this guide is going to be really hard...

-Nick</strong><hr></blockquote>

With your idea of having a "low" for loose and a "high" for kits, I think that it would make it more inaccurate. For all price guides, whether it be Baseball Cards, Comics, etc. a RANGE of what the item is worth is best to represent it's value, rather than just ONE price. This formula has been used for years in the Beckett Sports Guide and Comix guides. As you've said Nick, prices VARY, so why would you have just ONE price?

I generally agree with your statements, but not fully. First of all, there undoubtedly is a difference between the price of a kit and a loose cart of the same title and I'm sure many of us here agree.

In terms of your statement of "set values" this holds true for almost any collectible item. You may or may not find a better deal, depending on where you look, but the purpose of the guide is to "aid" the newcomers and help stabilize "about" what something is worth. If you feel it's not accurate, then simply, don't refer to it and use your own judgment. I say this without any offense to anyone, but as a suggestion. Currently, I don't refer to the price guide, simply because I feel it's outdated.

If anyone here wants to pay $350-500.00 for a loose SDB cart, let me know. I'll do even better and sell you my kit for $500.00.

In order to get an "accurate" guide going, you have to start somewhere and maintain it. I didn't just think and gather my data in a day. I've done research for the past 8 months varying from collectors, gamers, Ebay, vendors, etc.

Once again, suggestions are welcome before and after the new price guide is updated. The guide is not 100% absolute on what you should pay and anyone who has collected any sort of item should pretty much understand that.
 
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Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<strong>Why not a price guide for kits only.
A loose cart guide is just worthless when there's just so many loose carts floating around...
There is no concrete information to what exists,blah..blah..blah..blah...
Anybody here ever own a baseball card collection and attempt to sell their cards according to a guide?? i did that along time ago and got laughed @ on more than one occassion.
BURN THE PRICE GUIDES!!!
Cough..Cough...
-BB
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Big Bear, the Neo Geo in MVS format is for gamers as well as collectors. Having a list only for collectors (which generally what kits are) would be unfair to those who only want to buy the cart and even gamers need some <img src="graemlins/help.gif" border="0" alt="[Help]" /> on what a loose title is worth.

Unlike the AES, the MVS has two separate categories, one loose, one for kits. The AES price guide pretty much reflects a complete title only.
 

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Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
<strong>Not to surprise anyone in the upcoming months, the MVS Price Guide will be updated. :)

I have spoken to Shawn and with his permission, I will be responsible for the MVS Price Guide from here on out.

As most of you already know, if you've checked the MVS Price Guide, it has not been updated in months and to some, it's very misleading.

The new price guide will consist of 4 columns. The first two columns will show prices for the low and high of a loose MVS (Original U.S. labeled cart, unless the game originated in Japanese form only, then the price will be for that language) cart. Currently, the price guide shows prices for a loose MVS cart WITH a mini marquee, but the new guide will be ONLY for the cart itself since certain people value the mini marquee differently, depending on it's rarity.

The second column will show prices of complete kits, low and high, once again. The definition of a "complete kit" will be defined in detail so we're all on the same page. Again, the guide will be for U.S. labeled kits only. I have nothing against the Japanese kits, but my reasoning for this is because for all the kits I've dealt with, most collectors have requested U.S. versions and we're all more familiar with them (at least here in the U.S.). If the version exists only in Japanese format, then the price will reflect that. Keep in mind that just because the game is in Japanese format only, it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth less. Most of the Japanese only release are in fact "valued" more by collectors and are more expensive.

In terms of classifying the value of Japanese MVS kits, well, that would be a tough task, since most Japanese vendors throw out the box and collectors over there don't necessarily keep all the original contents of what we here call a "kit." The price guide will eventually evolve and initially, I have no doubts that many may not agree on the price, which feedback from anyone is welcomed as long as their is sufficient information to back your suggestion.

There should not be any whining, since the left column, for "loose" MVS carts, will be for "gamers" and the right column, complete kits, will be for "collectors."

Like any guide, it will be upon your judgment to see if you should or should buy/sell/trade for the amount listed. It will be there to "help" you.

When the guide is out, I will answer any question on how a dollar amount is placed on each title. The method is not arbitrary, so please don't assume that.

Please post your thoughts on the New MVS Price Guide System.</strong><hr></blockquote>

When i first heard about this, i though it was a great idea.....
when it comes to MVS Trieu know's hes stuff........
well just my opinion, but i think it's a great idea....
 

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My only problem with HIGH and LOW values is, who looks at a price guide and says,"Hm, I think my cart is worth the LOW value on the scale." I would bet a lot of money of the fact that anyone who actually uses the guide looks at what the HIGH value of the cart or kit is worth and uses that. SO every time someone uses the HIGH value you have to consider is the box in good condition, is the flyers in good condition, are the marquees bent, is the cart label dirty, clean, is there a gold warning label on the cart. On the older kits it's even harder since the serial # isn't actually part of the cart or box, they were stuck on the side and then stuck seperatly on the box. IMHO there is just TOO much for complete kits. I think a rough price guide for loose carts is the best idea and just leave the complete kits alone. I think an archive of pics of complete kits is good because then you know what to look for, but then there should be a price guide for just the marquees, just the stickers, just the dipswitch settings, just the flyers, WAY to complex to get an "accurate" price guide. That's my opinion. I think that you should have a spread sheet and use the high and low and generate an average price of loose carts. This price can fluxuate every week. It would be kind of like the Neo Geo MVS stock market eh? .....hmmmmm...now I don't know if that is a good idea.........just my $2.50.....can I please have my change.....lol..
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PRICE GUIDES can NEVER be accurate.
They are only based on ONE's opinion.
They are used as a TOOL to "PRICE JACK" too often.
People are going to pay what they feel regardless of what some price guide reads.
"BUYER BEWARE" section would be more beneficial
for everyone with all the counterfeiting,bootlegging and vadalism done to cartridges nowadays.
PRICE GUIDES SUCK! The kits seem to be rare BUT I've never bothered to hunt around for anything in such a loooong time because I don't have the "fever" this is why I could live with a guide for kits BUT loose carts??
BURN THE PRICE GUIDES!
-BB

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Originally posted by djbomberman:
<strong>My only problem with HIGH and LOW values is, who looks at a price guide and says,"Hm, I think my cart is worth the LOW value on the scale." I would bet a lot of money of the fact that anyone who actually uses the guide looks at what the HIGH value of the cart or kit is worth and uses that. SO every time someone uses the HIGH value you have to consider is the box in good condition, is the flyers in good condition, are the marquees bent, is the cart label dirty, clean, is there a gold warning label on the cart. On the older kits it's even harder since the serial # isn't actually part of the cart or box, they were stuck on the side and then stuck seperatly on the box. IMHO there is just TOO much for complete kits. I think a rough price guide for loose carts is the best idea and just leave the complete kits alone. I think an archive of pics of complete kits is good because then you know what to look for, but then there should be a price guide for just the marquees, just the stickers, just the dipswitch settings, just the flyers, WAY to complex to get an "accurate" price guide. That's my opinion. I think that you should have a spread sheet and use the high and low and generate an average price of loose carts. This price can fluxuate every week. It would be kind of like the Neo Geo MVS stock market eh? .....hmmmmm...now I don't know if that is a good idea.........just my $2.50.....can I please have my change.....lol..
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You bring up some good points and I've thought this out already. Your thinking is on the money. The low part of the guide will obviously be for poor conditioned kits, while the mint conditioned kits are considered the high price point.

It's not that complex as you say. Use the manual of an AES cart in place of the flyers for the MVS kits for example. If the manual is ruined for let's say Neo Turfmasters U.S. AES, how would the price guide come into play right now? Same scenario. It's upon your own judgment to see what you think it is worth. As long as it's complete 100%, the final decision is yours on what you think it's condition is worth.

There will be an archived photo of EVERY title in it's full kit form within 3 months or so. I've been working on this for the past 5 months. I myself, do not have all 140+ titles, but my friend has about 128 of them, minus the Mahjong, Quiz and a few other titles, which for the most part, isn't particularly in high demand. There is also another member on this forum that is willing to help me as well, and the last time we spoke, he has all the MVS games, most of them complete.
 
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Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<strong>PRICE GUIDES can NEVER be accurate.
They are only based on ONE's opinion.
They are used as a TOOL to "PRICE JACK" too often.
People are going to pay what they feel regardless of what some price guide reads.
"BUYER BEWARE" section would be more beneficial
for everyone with all the counterfeiting,bootlegging and vadalism done to cartridges nowadays.
PRICE GUIDES SUCK! The kits seem to be rare BUT I've never bothered to hunt around for anything in such a loooong time because I don't have the "fever" this is why I could live with a guide for kits BUT loose carts??
BURN THE PRICE GUIDES!
-BB

[ March 13, 2002: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just for you Big Bear, I'll add on another column that reads, "Loose MVS w/Big Bear case with Insert." :) I'm kidding. You forget, you have to take both views if you disagree with the price guide. You say it's meant to "jack" up the price, how about if the prices are to go down? As the price guide now shows, Super Dodge Ball runs $350-500.00 for a loose. I can tell you, the last few auctions on Ebay for SDB KITS, not loose ended up below $200.00. I would say that a loose cart "should" run $130-170.00. Anyone paying more than that is paying to much.

So my point is, the guide will also bring other titles down in price, not to jack them up.

Hey, you all know who will be responsible for this guide and if you feel some prices aren't right, please give some feedback. Until then, you should all wait and see what it has to offer. Most of you will be pleasantly surprised on how it will help the newbies to the MVS kit market.
 

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Originally posted by TRIEUMINATOR:
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Hey, you all know who will be responsible for this guide and if you feel some prices aren't right, please give some feedback. Until then, you should all wait and see what it has to offer. Most of you will be pleasantly surprised on how it will help the newbies to the MVS kit market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
POINTS!
Thankyou..I lost myself for a moment.YOU are handling this project and I know you'll do the right thing so I don't have a problem with it now that you've waken me up.
You are a first class guy all the way..
-BB
 
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