Refuting an untruth: NG.com as propaganda machine

<strong>Well I guess people are coming to realize that these boards are nothing more than a selling platform for the neostore...</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you believe that then you're f--king retarded. I tried to come up with a nicer way of puting it, but that's what is comes down to. I've been on this site for ages and not once have I ever shelled out more than retail -or been even slightly inclined to shell out more than $330 or so for any of this crap. Even my arcade cabs cost under that.

Anyone who had previous experiences with Neo Heaven or the OneList knows what an actual product selling propaganda machine is really like. This is just a free for all, co-owned be a retailer (just like CNN is owned by AOL/Time Warner and all other big info-vehicles). Shawn tells you what he knows and what he sells, he mentions what he knows about other transactions, nothing more or less. Technically, all this forum does is take up space and bandwidth with most posts in Unrelated and the War Room. Figure that one in.

Don't blame the boards, blame the really pathetic lack of self control by some of the people who buy this stuff.

-If you're going to cave and buy this stuff, don't complain about prices! You legitimized them by paying them. Don't complain when other people call you idiots. Comic book/sports card/pog/etc collectors are proof that this sort of idiocy comes in all flavors (yes, that's a personal opinion).

-If you are that desperate for a certain game, there are _a lot_ of other ways to get it. My costs stay sane because of the letters M. V. S. Learn them, live them.

But I digress.

My point is that calling these boards any kind of propaganda machine for products is as big a pile crap as the people who believe it. The debate over this issue is proof enough. There is no way of disproving that point.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Bobak ]</p>

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Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>My point is that calling these boards any kind of propaganda machine for products is as big a pile crap as the people who believe it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

100% Agreed.

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Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>This quote bothers me (its from another thread, but its a seperate, and important issue):



If you believe that then you're f--king retarded. I tried to come up with a nicer way of puting it, but that's what is comes down to. I've been on this site for ages and not once have I ever shelled out more than retail -or been even slightly inclined to shell out more than $330 or so for any of this crap. Even my arcade cabs cost under that.

Anyone who had previous experiences with Neo Heaven or the OneList knows what an actual product selling propaganda machine is really like. This is just a free for all, co-owned be a retailer (just like CNN is owned by AOL/Time Warner and all other big info-vehicles). Shawn tells you what he knows and what he sells, he mentions what he knows about other transactions, nothing more or less. Technically, all this forum does is take up space and bandwidth with most posts in Unrelated and the War Room. Figure that one in.

Don't blame the boards, blame the really pathetic lack of self control by some of the people who buy this stuff.

-If you're going to cave and buy this stuff, don't complain about prices! You legitimized them by paying them. Don't complain when other people call you idiots. Comic book/sports card/pog/etc collectors are proof that this sort of idiocy comes in all flavors (yes, that's a personal opinion).

-If you are that desperate for a certain game, there are _a lot_ of other ways to get it. My costs stay sane because of the letters M. V. S. Learn them, live them.

But I digress.

My point is that calling these boards any kind of propaganda machine for products is as big a pile crap as the people who believe it. The debate over this issue is proof enough. There is no way of disproving that point.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Bobak ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree Bobak, whoever made that quote is full of shit. These forums are remarkably open and uncensored, Shawn actually allows WAY more crap here than most other forums elsewhere on the web. He also allows free selling and buying of goods in the Selling and Buying forums, despite the fact that it surely impacts his own sales from the Neo Store.

I too have NEVER paid outrageous prices for Neo games. The MOST I have ever paid was $330 for the KOF2K home cart, thats it. All the rest were retail ($268) or less.

Those who complain about "price jacking" at the Neo Store (for instance with the brand new home cart systems, or the Metal Slug 1 JPN home cart) are just whining for no logical reason; since these items can almost ALWAYS be had for less price elsewhere. If you want to complain, then do it about the BUYERS who will pay those kind of prices.

As for the comments about these forums being a propaganda tool, that sounds like bitterness or jealousy more than anything else. I don't see any other forums that are magically more honest, open, and objective than these . . . despite what a few others may say. Show me where they are, I'd be interested to see them . . . <img src="graemlins/eye.gif" border="0" alt="[Eye]" /> <img src="graemlins/eye.gif" border="0" alt="[Eye]" />

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Originally posted by SoloFenris:
<strong> Hell, no one has been convinced yet because they are still there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That, and Americans suck at Mahjong.

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Originally posted by Bobak:
<strong>This quote bothers me (its from another thread, but its a seperate, and important issue):



If you believe that then you're f--king retarded. I tried to come up with a nicer way of puting it, but that's what is comes down to. I've been on this site for ages and not once have I ever shelled out more than retail -or been even slightly inclined to shell out more than $330 or so for any of this crap. Even my arcade cabs cost under that.

Anyone who had previous experiences with Neo Heaven or the OneList knows what an actual product selling propaganda machine is really like. This is just a free for all, co-owned be a retailer (just like CNN is owned by AOL/Time Warner and all other big info-vehicles). Shawn tells you what he knows and what he sells, he mentions what he knows about other transactions, nothing more or less. Technically, all this forum does is take up space and bandwidth with most posts in Unrelated and the War Room. Figure that one in.

Don't blame the boards, blame the really pathetic lack of self control by some of the people who buy this stuff.

-If you're going to cave and buy this stuff, don't complain about prices! You legitimized them by paying them. Don't complain when other people call you idiots. Comic book/sports card/pog/etc collectors are proof that this sort of idiocy comes in all flavors (yes, that's a personal opinion).

-If you are that desperate for a certain game, there are _a lot_ of other ways to get it. My costs stay sane because of the letters M. V. S. Learn them, live them.

But I digress.

My point is that calling these boards any kind of propaganda machine for products is as big a pile crap as the people who believe it. The debate over this issue is proof enough. There is no way of disproving that point.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Bobak ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fine then explain the total ineffectual way the mods operate on this site. It is because of a blatant fear of alienating ponential customers that more is not done to quelch the people who generally muck up these boards.

Thanks for taking MY comments out of context by the way, real nice of you. As far as how much your word is carried on these boards about not being swayed by the NeoStore both you and Chimp have 0 credibility since the wide perception is that you two are merely mouthpieces for "the great one".

The context of my comment was under the guise of fixed pricing. Anyone who cannot put 2 and 2 together to see the ethics of the primary store of a scene creating the pricing of the goods through an easily manipulated price guide has their head irrevicoably stuffed up someone else's ass.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: RevQuixo ]</p>

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Originally posted by RevQuixo:
<strong>Fine then explain the total ineffectual way the mods operate on this site. It is because of a blatant fear of alienating ponential customers that more is not done to quelch the people who generally muck up these boards.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Go to orochinagi.com for your explanation. The site is very near to being in a coma... because they got rid of everyone who was not an A-1 contributor. All good boards have ppl who muck up the place. If they do it too much, they get banned, even here. But the most active, interesting boards give ppl a lot of leeway to be themselves and even spam a little. When the going gets slow, sometimes spammers are the only ones who have something to say.

/thoughtful_mode off

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: neojedi ]</p>

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Originally posted by neojedi:
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Go to orochinagi.com for your explanation. The site is very near to being in a coma... because they got rid of everyone who was not an A-1 contributor. All good boards have ppl who muck up the place. If they do it too much, they get banned, even here. But the most active, interesting boards give ppl a lot of leeway to be themselves and even spam a little. When the going gets slow, sometimes spammers are the only ones who have something to say.

/thoughtful_mode off

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: neojedi ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah. That said, it's not like nobody has ever gotten suspended or banned. Just look at the <a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/snk/suspensions.html" target="_blank">suspension list</a>. Most mods and admins wouldn't have given people like DSD or Tonk as many chances as Shawn, Mouse_Master, etc. have on this board.

Many of the punishments on here seem to be of an "enough is enough" nature; e.g., SIY's 2-month suspension for excessive spam, DSD getting permanently banned after demonstrating continual recidivism, etc. Hell, I don't think Tonk even got the permaban before he made threatening phone calls (which by my understanding is very, very illegal) to Shawn.

That being said, some of the rankouts seem a bit humorous--DSD's first 24-hour ban comes to mind (posting fat naked women), as does TOOL's 24-hour ban (honestly, I'm not sure what "physically threatening a member" entails, but I'm pretty sure it's something like "I'm gonna kick your ass" or some such).

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Originally posted by RevQuixo:
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Fine then explain the total ineffectual way the mods operate on this site. It is because of a blatant fear of alienating ponential customers that more is not done to quelch the people who generally muck up these boards.

Thanks for taking MY comments out of context by the way, real nice of you. As far as how much your word is carried on these boards about not being swayed by the NeoStore both you and Chimp have 0 credibility since the wide perception is that you two are merely mouthpieces for "the great one".

The context of my comment was under the guise of fixed pricing. Anyone who cannot put 2 and 2 together to see the ethics of the primary store of a scene creating the pricing of the goods through an easily manipulated price guide has their head irrevicoably stuffed up someone else's ass.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: RevQuixo ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, you blew it on the "primary store of a scene" comment. Bullshit. If this is the "primary store", why is it that I've bought a grand total of TWO carts from it, the two new English releases (MS3 and S3)? Why is it that Ebay and other sources account for 95+% of the market? You lend too much weight to this "store" as the be-all and end-all of pricing. It ISN'T, pure and simple. At the height of the whining about the new cart systems, I could have bought them from HK for about $400 each. So its all about doing research, before buying, like any of the thousands of other products purchased on the web. Your "primary store" logic is flawed, it doesn't hold water . . . especially when you consider that the total stock of Neo carts (besides the two new releases) is relatively small. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

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Originally posted by chimpmeister:
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Sorry, you blew it on the "primary store of a scene" comment. Bullshit. If this is the "primary store", why is it that I've bought a grand total of TWO carts from it, the two new English releases (MS3 and S3)? Why is it that Ebay and other sources account for 95+% of the market? You lend too much weight to this "store" as the be-all and end-all of pricing. It ISN'T, pure and simple. At the height of the whining about the new cart systems, I could have bought them from HK for about $400 each. So its all about doing research, before buying, like any of the thousands of other products purchased on the web. Your "primary store" logic is flawed, it doesn't hold water . . . especially when you consider that the total stock of Neo carts (besides the two new releases) is relatively small. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay so let me count up how many eBay auctions reference this sites price guide. Also, the exclusivity of the US releases makes the NeoStore a primary store of the scene. Sorry, nothing blown in the logic here. Even if the NeoStore is not the "primary" source of Neo goods the price guide is still a self-serving tool.

As far as MVS goes...hell yes, that's all I do.

AS my other thread stated, but was curiously omitted from Bobak's "steam letting" I take all of this with a grain of salt. The mere fact that Bobak feels the need to START A NEW THREAD over this matter should show that his grain of salt is not working properly. Gee how does one fight propoganda again?

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Originally posted by joseph:
<strong>This thread is silly. Convincing rev and his comrades that the neostore is just... is comparable to trying to talk a southern baptist into thinking that abortion is ok. Its never going to happen.
-joseph</strong><hr></blockquote>

And who the hell are you again?

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Originally posted by RevQuixo:
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And who the hell are you again?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Geez, Rev, you know, you are the most unscrupulous guy on the boards. You and your darn friends just don't get right and wrong. We can't get through to you.

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