i dont understand this about snk.....

da good guy · Apr 18, 2002

They set the standard back in '90. They were way ahead of the competition, but yet they ended up fallin behind when it came to new technology. why?

By the time the ps and saturn hit, snk should've been coming out with harware as powerful as the dc or ps2. They should've also realized they could've hit mainstream by learning from their and 3DO's mistake of charging to much. Thats why sony took over. They realized the money was in the software and not the hardware, and that it was ok to take a little loss when it came to sellin hardware cause cd's were so cheap and profitable. Or even if snk would've came out with the cd version version a year earlier with a 2x speed drive, but no it's like they just sat on their ass for 5 years, so by the time hyper 64 hit instead of being ahead of the competition they were behind. I dunno it just amazes me how dumb of a company they were strategy wise. Anybody have any opinions on this?

Ghostwalker · Apr 18, 2002

I believe, in general, that is a fairly accurate understanding of the market and what happened. If you have a system too high priced, your system won't get to the mainstream audience. However, I believe SNK's real issue in the race to "keep up" was, or course, the big one: $$$$$$.

If you don't have the money for R & D, licensing, publishing, manufacturing, and production of a new system & hardware, then it's just not gonna take off. All those other companies simply had way more money. It's a shame. I would have loved to seen 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations of SNK systems along with the games.

Then again, we wouldn't have the uniqueness of the Neo-Geo system itself, and what it has done over the past 10 years. What an incredible die-hard following and love it has produced! I certainly love mine, and now, since being a member here (and the peer pressure), I just gotta get me a MVS cabinet now! Too much fun... <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

Criterionradiohead · Apr 18, 2002

Originally posted by da good guy:
They set the standard back in '90. They were way ahead of the competition, but yet they ended up fallin behind when it came to new technology. why?

By the time the ps and saturn hit, snk should've been coming out with harware as powerful as the dc or ps2. They should've also realized they could've hit mainstream by learning from their and 3DO's mistake of charging to much. Thats why sony took over. They realized the money was in the software and not the hardware, and that it was ok to take a little loss when it came to sellin hardware cause cd's were so cheap and profitable. Or even if snk would've came out with the cd version version a year earlier with a 2x speed drive, but no it's like they just sat on their ass for 5 years, so by the time hyper 64 hit instead of being ahead of the competition they were behind. I dunno it just amazes me how dumb of a company they were strategy wise. Anybody have any opinions on this?<hr></blockquote>

I feel what your saying, but totally disagree. The wonderfull thing about SNK games and the Neo Go is that almost nothing is done half assed. Look at some of the games of today. Half the shit that comes out is just that, shit. I can pick up any of the 20+ Neo games that I own and play it & enjoy it at any time. If I ever forced myself to do that with many of the games on next gen systems I'd be bored with the game in a matter of minutes.

SNK was all about quality. Aparantly the quality was really expensive, and eventually did them in, that and other obvious stupid business decisions. Point is even though SNK is now caput, they risked EVERYTHING to bring us great games, and I am thjankfull rveryday for that.

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da good guy · Apr 18, 2002

I see what you are sayin, but i can picture kof lookin like a anime movie. Now that would be the shit. You are right snk was definetly about quality and not quanity, but still they could've done better by keepin up with new technology. I guess your right though, they probably just didn't have the money to do that.

achika · Apr 18, 2002

Originally posted by Criterionradiohead:
I feel what your saying, but totally disagree. The wonderfull thing about SNK games and the Neo Go is that almost nothing is done half assed. Look at some of the games of today. Half the shit that comes out is just that, shit. I can pick up any of the 20+ Neo games that I own and play it & enjoy it at any time. If I ever forced myself to do that with many of the games on next gen systems I'd be bored with the game in a matter of minutes.

SNK was all about quality. Aparantly the quality was really expensive, and eventually did them in, that and other obvious stupid business decisions. Point is even though SNK is now caput, they risked EVERYTHING to bring us great games, and I am thjankfull rveryday for that.

Criterionradiohead <hr></blockquote>

So true. The AES is built like a tank. You can't expect to pay $200-$300 for basically a quality arcade system for your TV. SNK stood by their hardware and software supporting it everystep of the way. I just got into it a few years ago, but IMO the last few years were spent 'doing it for the fans.' What do people know SNK for? Quality 2D graphics with tons of replay value. SNK was just the one company that brought the arcade experience into your home.

Sony, Microsoft, etc. to them you're just a number. They keep releasing systems because they know people will buy them.

Look at it this way: SNK charges $600-700 for the system when it first came out. Games have been around for like 11 or so years, that's a one time price for a system that was built like a tank. I'm sure people here still have their system from release day, and it's still going strong.

Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, they charge you $200-$300 every three years for a new system, not to mention the faulty CD drives contained in most of them. Plus money for (mostly) mediocre games. There are some good ones in there, but they are few and far between. By the time those new systems are released, stores are taking reserves for the 'next gen' hardware that's coming out.

SNK, so far as I've used their products, seems like a 'mom and pop' company, so in touch with their select fanbase. The other big 3, you're just a number, sorry.

<img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" /> No hard feelings, this is just MO

da good guy · Apr 18, 2002

Now lets not fool ourselves achika, snk was not in it for the fans. every company out there has one main concern and that's money. For you to say snk was doing it for the fans is ridicolous. You see it's as simple as this, snk went to what was sellin at the time (fighting games) and made plenty of them (good ones to), but when fighting games popularity started to go down snk was assed out and they knew this. So they had no choice but to keep makin fighting games to have the support of what little following they had. There was no other option for snk since the neo wasnt capable of handling3-D. You guys dont realize this , but snk, playmore or whatever there called now can keep the good ol game play there known for, but with way better graphics on a next gen system. Most of you guys are to biased to realize this though.

achika · Apr 19, 2002

Originally posted by da good guy:
Most of you guys are to biased to realize this though.<hr></blockquote>

Please don't call me biased if you don't know me. Is graphics all that really matters to you? Can the game play like shit but have beautiful graphics? If it is, I suggest you stop with the Neo then.

When I said in it for the fans, at least SNK wasn't trying to feed a new system to their user base every couple years. Yea I don't doubt they were in it for the money, but at least they didn't tell fans that the system was obsolete in a few years.

Atro · Apr 20, 2002

Obslete? Every new title coming to the new is a must have. Be it good or not. There's always something good on any crap game.

Hail to the king BABY!

Proud of you SNK. :rolleyes:

achika · Apr 20, 2002

Originally posted by Atrophyed:
Obslete? Proud of you SNK. <hr></blockquote>

If you're talking to me, I don't mean SNK. Because they are still supporting their original systems, SNK (Playmore, etc.) can in no way be considered obsolete, IMO. It's Sony, Nintendo, Sega, & soon to be XBox who call their systems obsolete after at least 3 years and stop software support.

[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: achika ]

Vince2K · Apr 20, 2002

Maybe that SNK mistake has been the same as Sega's one: support only his own hardware, without enough ports on other systems. Sega has last enough time to repair its mistake. SNK never had the money to make enough R&D, wich result in a poor 3D system (aka Hyper 64), with good games, but without the main point of Neo Geo: being the best of its generation. SNK could have been a very good third party manufacturer for others. Another point is the 3D: SNK was only developping 2D games, with costs in no way equals to the ones of a 3D fighter (VF, Tekken).

As for me, SNK is Neo Geo related only, it's a "one shot" story, but what a magnificent shot!!!

we could cry for years, with the famous "What if...", but it's much better to sit and have a play. KOF2K1, KOF2K2, Metal Slug 4, SNK vs Capcom...SNK IS STILL ALIVE!

Mark of the Wolves · Apr 20, 2002

First of all it's 5 years until a new system comes out. Hell the PSX is 7 years old and it still has game coming out for it.

Let's face it, SNK made the Neo too high. Things normally GO DOWN over time. It's price stayed the same. What really leads to success is mainstream gamers. Sony hit gold when they signed titles that both suit hardcore and mainstream gamers. Not many people value an arcade perfect port. I for one would, but why when I can get the same game significantly cheaper and with the same great gameplay? I got a DC and Mark Of the Wolves for about $100. That would be about $700-$1000 dollars if I had went with the Neo.

And like that guy said the 2D fighting game market has significantly gone down. More people are like 3D fighting games. I must admit Tekken, Virtua Fighter and the spectacular Soul Caliber are getting better with each release.

In conclusion SNK signed their own death by cutting out mainstreamers. You don't need to release a new system every 5 years if you are simply making 2D fighting games. You need to if your looking to provide the most realistic experience.

garou_d · Apr 20, 2002

SNK job is arcade. they never wanted to touch a big audience. look at the production run of carts.

with the NeoGeo they offered the possibility to some of us to play arcade at home (for a lot of $$$).

and it's not SNK fault if carts like MOTW sell today for $500. when it was released each carts cost about $200-$300 if I remember well.

Atro · Apr 20, 2002

Always talking about what SNK Could have done. They knew that the Neo Geo wasn't hardware enough to compete on the 3D Scene, but they also knew that the arcade market at that time wasn't really based of 3-D Fighters, Most of all good 3D games were Daytona's and Sega Rally's and stuff. Up to 98, The Arcade places were still alive. from 98 to today every arcade house is becoming bankrupt.
As more as SNK would support the arcade scene, it would finsh like SNK <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

FTL · Apr 20, 2002

Originally posted by Criterionradiohead:


I feel what your saying, but totally disagree. The wonderfull thing about SNK games and the Neo Go is that almost nothing is done half assed. Look at some of the games of today. Half the shit that comes out is just that, shit. I can pick up any of the 20+ Neo games that I own and play it & enjoy it at any time. If I ever forced myself to do that with many of the games on next gen systems I'd be bored with the game in a matter of minutes.

SNK was all about quality. Aparantly the quality was really expensive, and eventually did them in, that and other obvious stupid business decisions. Point is even though SNK is now caput, they risked EVERYTHING to bring us great games, and I am thjankfull rveryday for that.

Criterionradiohead <hr></blockquote>

You own the topic Criterionradiohead!

A living-miracle neo geo games are,that's it.

two_xtreme · Apr 22, 2002

ok this is to the guy that said like playstation and sega and x-box was obsolete after a couple of years. It may be true for playstation and sega and nintendo. But how do u know for the x-box. The system has only been out a couple of months. Anyways I do agree with the above statement about arcade houses. A few years ago the one by my house was booming I just went there the other day and it was dry no one there at all,

mego fennesz · Apr 22, 2002

I often think about SNK as a company that actually had fun making games. No doubt they were in it for the money but at least, I think, they put alot of heart into it.

I've played kof 98 since it came out and it still feels fresh. Instead of rehashing the same shit over the years each kof had a different "feel" to it. I'll always be fond of Snk for that.

Someday I'll get myself a neo or a cab. I wont play them by nostalgia only but I'll actually have fun with the games. Hopefully...

mr.kool · Apr 23, 2002

first off achika your fuckin slow aint ya da good guy mentioned game play to he wasnt just talkin about graphics read the post again bitch. And no ftl da good guy and motw own the topic. by the way 4 everyone that doesnt know what ftl stands for, its the abbreviation 4 his cable access show called (F)agget (T)alk (L)ive

theres no need 4 new neo games any more when u think about it. the new systems out there can easily handle them. i guess sony nintendo and ms just dont think the games are good enough 4 their systems though

BIG BEAR · Apr 23, 2002

Originally posted by mr.kool:
theres no need 4 new neo games any more when u think about it. the new systems out there can easily handle them. i guess sony nintendo and ms just dont think the games are good enough 4 their systems though<hr></blockquote>

Mr. Nerd you have just confirmed how stupid you truly are with the above statement..
If this is all you have to share intellectually,I suggest you go back home to "trollville"
Neo Geo is a hobby...those "other pieces of..ahem..hardware" are agenda machines...
How many X's do I have to "fade" your dumb ass before you realize that these forums and Neo Geo is just too good for you..you pink wardrobe wearing, hair weave having weirdo.
-BB

[ April 23, 2002: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]

mr.kool · Apr 25, 2002

listen up, put down your play girl magazine, take your custom made neo geo dildo outta your azz, put down the phone and stop begging dion 2 sell your shitty cheap azz mvs cases and wipe the cum from your eyes so u can read what im saying ya fuckin bitch. thats right im talkin to u BIG BEAR or as u r affectiontly known by many "big bitch". i know collecting neo geo is a hobby much like collecting sculptures of dicks or collecting gay memorbilia is 4 u. i was just makin a point ya stupid son of a slut. and to u radiohead yeah snk never came out with no shitty games they were all quality. i mean league bowling, ninja combat , thrash ralley, cross swords double dragon, yeah those are some real top notch qualty games. <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

BioMotor_Unitron · Apr 25, 2002

Goodbye, Mr. Kool. I told you if you kept poking that pointed little head of yours out of the War Room, it was going to get cut off. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

da good guy · Apr 25, 2002

It looks like they play favorites at this site. I don't think i'll be posting here much. While mr.kool seems to be somewhat obnoxious you can obviously see big bear started it., but only kool gets in trouble? Strange

blue · Oct 21, 2004

a classic mr. kool thread i invite every1 to do a mr.kool search seeing that this is a the neo holiday "kools day"

nekkibasara1213 · Oct 21, 2004

The major mistake some of the posters in this thread are making is thinking that 3D graphics are preferable to 2D. I hate 3D fighters and always will. The reason I bought the AES is my love of old-school 2D and SNKP is the only place to get it. I for one am happy that the Atomiswave is seeing 2D games still because I was affraid it would mean the final end to a an era of gaming. As long as SNKP exists I will support their 2D games. KOF:MI can kiss my ass :blow_top:

Insaneclown · Oct 21, 2004

Ok...this thread was last bumped. 04-25-2002, 07:01 PM :spock:

Its a 2 year old thread so why did you bump it up (blue)? Argh! This thread is long dead...so let it die.

Huzza · Oct 21, 2004

da good guy said:
They set the standard back in '90. They were way ahead of the competition, but yet they ended up fallin behind when it came to new technology. why?

By the time the ps and saturn hit, snk should've been coming out with harware as powerful as the dc or ps2. They should've also realized they could've hit mainstream by learning from their and 3DO's mistake of charging to much. Thats why sony took over. They realized the money was in the software and not the hardware, and that it was ok to take a little loss when it came to sellin hardware cause cd's were so cheap and profitable. Or even if snk would've came out with the cd version version a year earlier with a 2x speed drive, but no it's like they just sat on their ass for 5 years, so by the time hyper 64 hit instead of being ahead of the competition they were behind. I dunno it just amazes me how dumb of a company they were strategy wise. Anybody have any opinions on this?

SNK don't need money. They did this for the people. The people Like me.

i dont understand this about snk.....

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